Darkseid Vs. WW Hulk Fist Fight

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Superman has only beaten Darkseid [b]once, in a pure slugfest.😬
Other than that, Ds has laid Superman down with a few punches, amped Kalibak to levels above Orion, caused Lobo to hurt his hand by punching him, punked several Darkstars by using only h2h, etc......

And I was saying that you were trying to base Wwh's power off his title alone, rather than on panel feats......

Ok, I'll try looking it up.

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Ugh...what? Those showings need to be disregarded, for the fact that they are not they're most consistent portrayals. Honestly Goob, anyone who measures Superman abilities, strictly from his bryne showings are clearly....idiotic. Those eras need to be ignored, because they were merely a low point in for the said characters history. Those feats have been greatly outweighed by their showings throughout their overall history.

I don't see how you can apply that logic to the whole World War Hulk ordeal. Wwh is just a varient of the character(like Superman Blue or Cosmic Spider-man). Rather you like it or not, it's irrational to claim Wwh can beat a certain character just because he's the strongest incarnation. In that case, I could start saying that Darkseid is Galactus level, because he's omnipotent. Again, feats are all that matter at the end of the day.😬 [/B]

Once in apokolips now. Once in Superman/Batman when WW helped him then she was 86ed. Once in Superman/Batman when Darkseid fled from Superman when he was on his knees. That counts as a loss for Darkseid.

DARKSEID HAS NEVER BEATEN SUPERMAN IN A STRAIGHT UP FIGHT WITH HIS FISTS OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. EVEN IN THE FIGHTS HE LOST HE TRIED USING HIS POWERS.

Goob isnt saying to measure Supermans showings strictly from brynes showings but you cant ignore what you dont like.

You say feats are all that matters when you dont give us really any that has to do with Darkseid manhandling anyone. Yet you still say feats matter.

Ok WW Hulk met the Juggernaut head on and hardly budged. He beat the crap out of the xmen and xfactor. He stomped the ff4 and the avengers. He stomped Iron man. He stomped Strange and Zom. He beat Sentry who used more power than he ever had previously which says a lot about WW Hulk.

He accomplished all this in the story before he was even at his strongest. Darkseid cant win one. Physically Hulk rapes him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes beat him three times.

Once in apokolips now. Once in Superman/Batman when WW helped him then she was 86ed. Once in Superman/Batman when Darkseid fled from Superman when he was on his knees. That counts as a loss for Darkseid.

DARKSEID HAS NEVER BEATEN SUPERMAN IN A STRAIGHT UP FIGHT WITH HIS FISTS OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. EVEN IN THE FIGHTS HE LOST HE TRIED USING HIS POWERS.

Goob isnt saying to measure Supermans showings strictly from brynes showings but you cant ignore what you dont like.

You say feats are all that matters when you dont give us really any that has to do with Darkseid manhandling anyone. Yet you still say feats matter.

Ok WW Hulk met the Juggernaut head on and hardly budged. He beat the crap out of the xmen and xfactor. He stomped the ff4 and the avengers. He stomped Iron man. He stomped Strange and Zom. He beat Sentry who used more power than he ever had previously which says a lot about WW Hulk.

He accomplished all this in the story before he was even at his strongest. Darkseid cant win one. Physically Hulk rapes him.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Please go away......

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
But one of them wasn't a [b]pure slugfest. [/B]

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes beat him three times.

Once in apokolips now. Once in Superman/Batman when WW helped him then she was 86ed. Once in Superman/Batman when Darkseid fled from Superman when he was on his knees. That counts as a loss for Darkseid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid used his powers almost every time he fought Superman proving that physically Superman>Darkseid.

Originally posted by Galan007
I wouldn't count the latter, as DS was all but powerless during that instance.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
No, he only used his powers in Acrapolips now.....the showing in Action comics was a pure slugfest......

I also said almost every time. Key word being almost.

Whats the issue number of action comics? Are you sure ds didnt use eye beams of any kind?

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Superman has only beaten Darkseid [b]once, in a pure slugfest.😬 [/B]

And how many times has DS beaten Supes in a pure slugfest? For that matter how many times has DS beaten ANYONE in a pure slugfest?

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Other than that, Ds has laid Superman down with a few punches, amped Kalibak to levels above Orion, caused Lobo to hurt his hand by punching him, punked several Darkstars by using only h2h, etc......

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
And I was saying that you were trying to base Wwh's power off his title alone, rather than on panel feats......

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Ok, I'll try looking it up.

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
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Ugh...what? Those showings need to be disregarded, for the fact that they are [b]not they're most consistent portrayals. Honestly Goob, anyone who measures Superman abilities, strictly from his bryne showings are clearly....idiotic. Those eras need to be ignored, because they were merely a low point in for the said characters history. Those feats have been greatly outweighed by their showings throughout their overall history.

I don't see how you can apply that logic to the whole World War Hulk ordeal. Wwh is just a varient of the character(like Superman Blue or Cosmic Spider-man). Rather you like it or not, it's irrational to claim Wwh can beat a certain character just because he's the strongest incarnation. In that case, I could start saying that Darkseid is Galactus level, because he's omnipotent. Again, feats are all that matter at the end of the day.😬 [/B]

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Apokolips now and Superman/Batman the first fight also had Ds using the omega beams.

I also said almost every time. Key word being almost.

Whats the issue number of action comics? Are you sure ds didnt use eye beams of any kind?

Wanna talk about bad writing? How about Lobo hurting his hand on Darkseid's face? I mean Lobo only tore through 3,300 feet of solid rock with his bare hands, but he hurts his hand on Darkseids face?

Originally posted by darthgoober
And how many times has DS beaten Supes in a pure slugfest? For that matter how many times has DS beaten ANYONE in a pure slugfest?

If you go by punching feats and combat showings DS is going to be hard pressed to beat Hulk...

I'm not basing his power off title alone, I'm basing it off past feats he has to his credit from periods in which he was less powerful than his WWH incarnation. It's really no different than saying that sundipped Supes is capable of all his non-sundipped feats and more since he's more powerful while sundipped 😬 .

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No WWH is an AMPED version of a character just as sundipped Supes is an amped version of Superman. Does Supes need to repeat all of his past feats while in a sundipped state just to prove that he can do them again?

Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
Duh....and Superman had a sun amp when he beat him in S/B. 🙂

I was informing you and I wasn't out of place for doing so. You don't quite seem to realize that Acrapolips now and Action comics are his only defeats.

I recall it being a dual akin to the Spock/Kirk death fight in Star trek. They only where strictly using h2h and nothing.

Before his sunamp he dragged Darkseid against his will to the sun. Thats physically dominating someone and then dragging them millions of miles to somewhere else. 😬

Did he use omega blasts on superman and what issue of action comics did this take place in? I may have it I have a few years of Superman stuff.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He also had a sun amp when he faced WW and did better against Darkseid. 😬

He didn't do anything against WW, and she pretty much admitted Superman was going to overwhelm her if she didn't do something to distract him from his attack.

Also Superman wasn't mind controlled against DS, that helps.

Originally posted by Allankles
He didn't do anything against WW, and she pretty much admitted Superman was going to overwhelm her if she didn't do something to distract him from his attack.

Also Superman wasn't mind controlled against DS, that helps.

I think the mind control made him more vicious. He still didnt kill darkseid even though he could have, he instead threw him into the source wall.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Point is he didnt ko her but he quickly crushed Darkseid's face.

I think the mind control made him more vicious. He still didnt kill darkseid even though he could have, he instead threw him into the source wall.

The mind control also made him less efficient . He basically talked a lot, froze WW and broke her wrist. He physically didn't do anything impressive, he was a lot more focused and aggressive against DS. And there's nothing to indicate Superman could have killed DS. In fact DS is almost impossible to kill physically, trapping him in the source wall was the only way Supes was ending that fight.

Originally posted by Galan007
S/B, and Apokolips Now, were both slugfests.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And how many times has DS beaten Supes in a pure slugfest? For that matter how many times has DS beaten ANYONE in a pure slugfest?

If you go by punching feats and combat showings DS is going to be hard pressed to beat Hulk...

I'm not basing his power off title alone, I'm basing it off past feats he has to his credit from periods in which he was less powerful than his WWH incarnation. It's really no different than saying that sundipped Supes is capable of all his non-sundipped feats and more since he's more powerful while sundipped 😬 .

Your problem Dg, is that your trying to apply generalizations to characters you consider similar, without applying other factors. Sun amped Supes actually has on panel to his credit, that would put him in a much higher than pretty much any herald leveler.

Again, I do believe that Wwh is the most impressive Hulk yet. But based off what we've seen on panel, he's no better than Superman class brick.

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No WWH is an AMPED version of a character just as sundipped Supes is an amped version of Superman. Does Supes need to repeat all of his past feats while in a sundipped state just to prove that he can do them again?

Darkseid wins.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Wanna talk about bad writing? How about Lobo hurting his hand on Darkseid's face? I mean Lobo only tore through 3,300 feet of solid rock with his bare hands, but he hurts his hand on Darkseids face?

.....Your not serious right?

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Wanna talk about bad writing? How about Lobo hurting his hand on Darkseid's face? I mean Lobo only tore through 3,300 feet of solid rock with his bare hands, but he hurts his hand on Darkseids face?