Originally posted by fangirl101
Hulk is not faster than DD. Nor does he start out as strong. I fail to see how he would beat DS to death.
Your opinion. What is fact is that there is no level of Strength obtained by DD that WWH is not capable of. If you disagree, prove it.
Otherwise, WWH takes Darksied in a slugfest everytime. He will become stronger and more powerful in any fist fight they enter for as long as the fight continues.
Originally posted by fangirl101
The Point is, DD has the same dynamic strength as the Hulk. And he starts out much much higher as he's already mindless destruction. And yet, he had to be killed and powered up/evolved just to be able to beat DS into a KO. and that was from a sucker attack. Hulk is not faster than DD. Nor does he start out as strong. I fail to see how he would beat DS to death.
WWH IS stronger than DD. He has the feats to prove it. There is no basis to say he starts below him.
Originally posted by fangirl101Prime doesnt have the magical weakness and defeated Mxy along with AAnatax who easily depowered him.
Iman killed takion who was the combination of himself and had Highfather's staff. He was skyfather level. Killed. Prime is precrisis? I never saw any precrisis guy be able to grab mxy. That is beyond any feat they had. Precrisis superman were very vulnerable to magic. Prime is immune to magic.
Takion has no feats as to suggest he was skyfather level. None.
Prime is at precrisis level without the magic weakness. Pretty simple. Saying Superman is near precrisis levels is ignorant.
Originally posted by horrorwolfAgreed.
Check them, there are NO raw strength feats (not involving Superman's ability to generate momentum via flight) that even come close to surpassing Hulk's best.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeHe couldnt do this by simply walking as WW Hulk was doing is the point.
Understand that Superman would never crack the entire seaboard because he would never endanger life, that doesn't means he couldn't 🙂.
Originally posted by fangirl101Most of your post is applying real world logic to comic book logic which fails on many different levels. Its canon and accept Hulk as the badass he is.
The Hulk Didn't crack the entire seaboard. He shook it. And I fail to see where him stepping and shaking the sea board is just so awe inspiring. It's rediculous first of all. Because objects have hit the earth with far greater impact and haven't escaped that localized area.
Originally posted by fangirl101Incorrect, Superman is stronger than Ds and he proved it by physically annihilating him. Ds relies on his powers and doesnt have anywhere near the strength feats nor the physical victories over Superman.
DS is still slightly physically Superior to Superman. All of thier altercations point to this fact.
Originally posted by fangirl101The parademons are nowhere near Superman level. Superman is equal to Ds. Do you think the parademons are that close to Ds strength?
Since when? Doomsday had to be killed and out right powered by the Omegas before he had the strength to even just knock DS out. This same DD who had went thru hoards of near superman level parademons.
Originally posted by fangirl101Ds was beaten to near death in a few panels. WW Hulk could do this as well. The point is Darkseid can be physically beaten and has been by Orion,Superman,and Doomsday.
The Point is, DD has the same dynamic strength as the Hulk. And he starts out much much higher as he's already mindless destruction. And yet, he had to be killed and powered up/evolved just to be able to beat DS into a KO. and that was from a sucker attack. Hulk is not faster than DD. Nor does he start out as strong. I fail to see how he would beat DS to death.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Actually there is basis. The Hulk Starts at Class 100. Doomsday starts at Superman levels and grows from there.
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when he ARRIVED on earth, wwh was angrier than he had EVER been. ie--he was STRONGER than he had ever been.
wwh was FAR above cl100 and would only keep getting stronger.
his healing factor is what sends this into wwh's favor imo though. he would simply outlast ds who couldn't damage him enough with his hands. on the flipside, we've seen ds taken out by physical damage on a couple different occasions so we know he can be beaten down.
Originally posted by leonidas
😑when he ARRIVED on earth, wwh was angrier than he had EVER been. ie--he was STRONGER than he had ever been.
wwh was FAR above cl100 and would only keep getting stronger.
his healing factor is what sends this into wwh's favor imo though. he would simply outlast ds who couldn't damage him enough with his hands. on the flipside, we've seen ds taken out by physical damage on a couple different occasions so we know he can be beaten down.
By Whom? An evolved Doomsday? Superman sun amped while DS injured himself? Letting Orion Win? DS lost one fight to Superman. That would count as PIS. Except we know Superman has actually beaten oniversal threats, Kryptonian Skygods, etc. Remove Superman from the equation and who has beaten DS physicallly in a mano y mano?
Originally posted by leonidas
😑when he ARRIVED on earth, wwh was angrier than he had EVER been. ie--he was STRONGER than he had ever been.
wwh was FAR above cl100 and would only keep getting stronger.
his healing factor is what sends this into wwh's favor imo though. he would simply outlast ds who couldn't damage him enough with his hands. on the flipside, we've seen ds taken out by physical damage on a couple different occasions so we know he can be beaten down.
I'm getting real tired of the "angrier than he had EVER been" thing being used as justification. His silver age feats beat the crap out of anything he did during World War Wank. 2nd, NOTHING he did is equal to Superman or Darkseid's level.
You are assuming Hulk will get planet shattering power before Darkseid kills him. Not only that, you think that his feats during WWH are comparable to a skyfather..............you know what? Screw it. I'm going the whole hog. You think he can beat a DC top tier in strength? 🤨
I can name several top tiers in DC that would decimate WWH in a fistfight if they are allowed speed. And you picked Darkseid, a guy who crushes top tiers and groups like the JLA among others, to fight a one dimensional slow brick like Hulk? 👇
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm getting real tired of the "angrier than he had EVER been" thing being used as justification. His silver age feats beat the crap out of anything he did during World War Wank. 2nd, NOTHING he did is equal to Superman or Darkseid's level.You are assuming Hulk will get planet shattering power before Darkseid kills him. Not only that, you think that his feats during WWH are comparable to a skyfather..............you know what? Screw it. I'm going the whole hog. You think he can beat a DC top tier in strength? 🤨
I can name several top tiers in DC that would decimate WWH in a fistfight if they are allowed speed. And you picked Darkseid, a guy who crushes top tiers and groups like the JLA among others, to fight a one dimensional slow brick like Hulk? 👇
😕 nopity
Can you please name these people that can beat hulk in a fist fight and please dont say superman because hes currently getting manhandled by konvikt, someone that showed nothing compared to wwh, let alone savage hulk.
Originally posted by Mindset
DO you think WWH had planet destroying power?I mean Drax and Gladiator did right, were they that much stronger than WWH if at all?
(This question is to anyone)
I always consider gladiator stronger then hulk but during the wwh I think that wwh>gladiator. So the answer to your question is yes.
Originally posted by fangirl101Well if you remove Superman who has beaten him three times then you have Orion and Doomsday.
By Whom? An evolved Doomsday? Superman sun amped while DS injured himself? Letting Orion Win? DS lost one fight to Superman. That would count as PIS. Except we know Superman has actually beaten oniversal threats, Kryptonian Skygods, etc. Remove Superman from the equation and who has beaten DS physicallly in a mano y mano?
Doomsday stomped in a few panels and Orion ripped his still beating heart out.
Hulk crushes Darkseid ten of ten.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestIts a part of the story and it clearly shows that WW Hulk greater than any other Hulk we have ever seen thus far.
I'm getting real tired of the "angrier than he had EVER been" thing being used as justification. His silver age feats beat the crap out of anything he did during World War Wank. 2nd, NOTHING he did is equal to Superman or Darkseid's level.You are assuming Hulk will get planet shattering power before Darkseid kills him. Not only that, you think that his feats during WWH are comparable to a skyfather..............you know what? Screw it. I'm going the whole hog. You think he can beat a DC top tier in strength? 🤨
I can name several top tiers in DC that would decimate WWH in a fistfight if they are allowed speed. And you picked Darkseid, a guy who crushes top tiers and groups like the JLA among others, to fight a one dimensional slow brick like Hulk? 👇
What has darkseid done physically that is so aweinspiring? Really this about a brawl here and Darkseid has been punked so badly its kind of embarrassing. He is nowhere near skyfather level and is only a top tier.
Hulk would own virtually any top tier from dc in a brawl. Name one who could physically beat him? Go ahead.
Darkseid does not crush top tiers. He hasnt crushed Superman and just lately Orion ripped his heart out who also happens to be a top tier.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well if you remove Superman who has beaten him three times then you have Orion and Doomsday.Doomsday stomped in a few panels and Orion ripped his still beating heart out.
Hulk crushes Darkseid ten of ten.
Man you underrate DS. His strength level is generally above Supermans and Orion's. If you're trying to somehow suggest that Orion is on DS's level, I'm afraid you need to recognize their histories. DS except when he chooses to or is weakened never loses to Orion, he handles him every time, sometimes with complete ease.
DS doesn't really get stomped physically unless a celestial element is added to the equation. He's generally been said to be near impossible to defeat physically, and characters like Superman will resort to doing things like trapping him in the source wall, because they don't have the means to stop DS with their own power.
And please Quanchi don't mention final crisis again, it basically undid the death of the new gods saga. Which had Orion contending with a celestial dark seid (who was more powerful than the source). The source uses Orion because the power dark seid acquired could be drawn by Orion, because of his connection as his son.
And the whole Orion prophecy was handled terribly. You knew DS wasn't getting killed at the end of the new gods saga, so they settle for a typical brawl in final crysis, which isn't even consistent with their respective power levels.