Batman vs Winter Soldier

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Like what issues then?

Ummm..what? It's rountinely stated he is one of the most skilled fighters in the DCU.

annnnnnnd you missed the entire point.

yea and? You can be one of the most skilled and still not be on the level of top tier.

what was your point? Becuases I still wondering what makes you feel that DS is as skilled as batman? I mean for starters if he was there h2h fight would have ended a lot faster and he would have been a lot less injured.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
don't have my wolverine comics at school let a lone issues I own of DS.

yea and? You can be one of the most skilled and still not be on the level of top tier.

what was your point? Becuases I still wondering what makes you feel that DS is as skilled as batman? I mean for starters if he was there h2h fight would have ended a lot faster and he would have been a lot less injured.

Except as stated he is top tier, and his former martial arts masters make reference to it 😬

From what has been stated, shown and commented directly on 😬 Errr..what fight you talking about? the fight he had with Batman?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Except as stated he is top tier, and his former martial arts masters make reference to it 😬

From what has been stated, shown and commented directly on 😬 Errr..what fight you talking about? the fight he had with Batman?

Really were did it directly state he was top tier? What does that matter Logan has made refferences to yokie( however it spelled) to being the second best fighter on the planet.........and she clearly not.

yes the batman fight.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Really were did it directly state he was top tier? What does that matter Logan has made refferences to yokie( however it spelled) to being the second best fighter on the planet.........and she clearly not.

yes the batman fight.

Batman series ie. Decective Comics, Teen Titans/Titans/New Teen Titans, his solo series, Suicide Squad, Showcase '93, Birds of Prey, and I believe in Green Arrow, but don't quote me on the last one though. Errr...at least DS has the feats to back it up 😬

They were hand to hand

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Batman series ie. Decective Comics, Teen Titans/Titans/New Teen Titans, his solo series, Suicide Squad, Showcase '93, Birds of Prey, and I believe in Green Arrow, but don't quote me on the last one though. Errr...at least DS has the feats to back it up 😬

They were hand to hand

were they state word for word he a top tier fighter? becuases for one that not even a term used in comics lol. it only used here........

DS feats really, don't help him in terms of being top tier MA. I mean the fact that batman who physically inferior gives him so much trouble in h2h pritty clearly proves he not top tier MA.

again, this is the faulty logic that King Mungi utilizes:

Originally posted by Master-Borg
King Mungi:

DS is stronger, faster, more agile, more durable, and has faster reflexes than Batman

DS is just as skilled as Batman

Yet despite all logic, Batman has equal shot of winning in a fight against DS

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I mean the fact that batman who physically inferior gives him so much trouble in h2h pritty clearly proves he not top tier MA.

I don't understand why Mungi fails to grasp this simple, common sense point. 🙁

Batman wins 7/10 IMO.

Bucky is more of a match for Nightwing then Batman. He has yet to prove himself to be on Bruce's level much less Deathstroke's who is like the evil Cap America of the DCU.

Regarding Deathstroke, he's not on Batman's level of skill nor has he EVER been said to be. As a matter of fact, after their first battle in Deathstroke #7 he says that he'd hate to fight Batman without his enhancements due to being injuried so badly in hth combat with Bruce even with his healing factor. Slade also has said that Bruce was the best opponent he's fought against which is a form of respect he hasn't given anyone else.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
were they state word for word he a top tier fighter? becuases for one that not even a term used in comics lol. it only used here........

DS feats really, don't help him in terms of being top tier MA. I mean the fact that batman who physically inferior gives him so much trouble in h2h pritty clearly proves he not top tier MA.

****! Do I seriously need to make a DS respect thread now? I'm growing tired of doing this in order to shut people up.

Batman is top tier martial artist so how is that a low showing again?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
I don't understand why Mungi fails to grasp this simple, common sense point. 🙁

So your logic is ignore what Batman has done right? and not provide evidence for yourself right? I make reference of Batman doing things that should be physically impossible for him, but you ignore them right? Then you claim things I never said or implied right? I ask you to tell me what using 90% brain gives DS, but you ignored that as well right? So far the only one not following logic and reason is you 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Ghost
Regarding Deathstroke, he's not on Batman's level of skill nor has he EVER been said to be. As a matter of fact, after their first battle in Deathstroke #7 he says that he'd hate to fight Batman without his enhancements due to being injuried so badly in hth combat with Bruce even with his healing factor. Slade also has said that Bruce was the best opponent he's fought against which is a form of respect he hasn't given anyone else.

Decective Comics Batman refered to DS being just as skilled as him, and yeah he did say that and made mention Batman hits harder then people with super strength

Decective Comics Batman refered to DS being just as skilled as him, and yeah he did say that and made mention Batman hits harder then people with super strength

No didn't.

But if I'm wrong could you please tell me the issue # or give me a scan?

Cause the fight in Detective written by Chuck Dixon was when Slade beat Batman the first time around but then lost the second time around when Bruce KOed him with his own rifle.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
****! Do I seriously need to make a DS respect thread now? I'm growing tired of doing this in order to shut people up.

Batman is top tier martial artist so how is that a low showing again?

Go a head if you want. The curent ones pritty big already.

Never said it was a low showing I said it shows DS is not a top tier MA fighter.

If Batman who physically inferior in every way gives DS all hell in h2h combat then DS clearlly not batman equal in h2h.

Originally posted by Phantom Ghost
No didn't.

But if I'm wrong could you please tell me the issue # or give me a scan?

Cause the fight in Detective written by Chuck Dixon was when Slade beat Batman the first time around but then lost the second time around when Bruce KOed him with his own rifle.

Yeah, I guess I'll be making a DS respect thread and I'll compile everything. I'll be abit to organize everything as I just finished the huge Darkseid respect thread

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Go a head if you want. The curent ones pritty big already.

Never said it was a low showing I said it shows DS is not a top tier MA fighter.

If Batman who physically inferior in every way gives DS all hell in h2h combat then DS clearlly not batman equal in h2h.

Not really

He is though, uuuuuuh.

Batman has given people a hard time who were vastly stronger then him. Except that was said

Originally posted by King_Mungi

So your logic is ignore what Batman has done right? and not provide evidence for yourself right? I make reference of Batman doing things that should be physically impossible for him, but you ignore them right? Then you claim things I never said or implied right? I ask you to tell me what using 90% brain gives DS, but you ignored that as well right? So far the only one not following logic and reason is you 😬

1. Yes, I ignore PIS events. Apparently you believe Batman can tag Flash, beat a class 100er like Grundy, and injure a herald level being like Darkseid. I think that speaks for itself *snickers*

2. I don't need to show evidence because we both agree that
a) DS is physically superior to Bats in every way
b) DS is just as skilled as Bats
the only difference is the conclusion we draw from those two facts. My conclusion is that DS will own Batman in a fight (as shown in comics, when Batman was basically killed by DS, who had a minor limp). You, on the other hand, discard the common logical conclusion that follows from those two facts as well as onpanel evidence and claim Batman has just a good shot at winning as DS.

3. 90% brain power utilization gives DS even MORE reasons to own Batman.

4. You've proven yourself to be an illogical, batman fanboy.

Originally posted by King_Mungi

Not really

He is though, uuuuuuh.

Batman has given people a hard time who were vastly stronger then him. Except that was said

Hyperbole nothing elses. would like the issue and title of when it was said as well.

Like I said yokie (whatever her name was) was stated by wolverine as the second best fighter in the world, I guess it must be true lol.

true, but batman more skilled then they are. DS is physically superior in ever way, if he was as skilled he would destroy batman, but he not whcih is why he get thrown for the ringer when they battle.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
1. Yes, I ignore PIS events. Apparently you believe Batman can tag Flash, beat a class 100er like Grundy, and injure a herald level being like Darkseid. I think that speaks for itself *snickers*

2. I don't need to show evidence because we both agree that
a) DS is physically superior to Bats in every way
b) DS is just as skilled as Bats
the only difference is the conclusion we draw from those two facts. My conclusion is that DS will own Batman in a fight (as shown in comics, when Batman was basically killed by DS, who had a minor limp). You, on the other hand, discard the common logical conclusion that follows from those two facts as well as onpanel evidence and claim Batman has just a good shot at winning as DS.

3. 90% brain power utilization gives DS even MORE reasons to own Batman.

4. You've proven yourself to be an illogical, batman fanboy.

1. That's what he has DONE, I'm not making it up and as I said he does things that are physically impossible for him to do multiple times yet you can't seem to grasp that concept.

2. Wow, you missed the point once again, and no he did not JUST HAVE A MINOR limp. As mentioned earlier, which i didn't even know about Batman ko'ed DS with his own rifle in Decective Comics.

3. and what does it do? Please endulge me what does using 90% of your brain offer?

4. Why because I provided proof, and referenced events of things he actually did. ZOMG...fanboy indeed

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Hyperbole nothing elses. would like the issue and title of when it was said as well.

Like I said yokie (whatever her name was) was stated by wolverine as the second best fighter in the world, I guess it must be true lol.

true, but batman more skilled then they are. DS is physically superior in ever way, if he was as skilled he would destroy batman, but he not whcih is why he get thrown for the ringer when they battle.

Wasn't hyperbole as they show DS training, even his martial arts mastered referenced his martial arts skill

That's nice, but DS has the feats

People who are stronger, faster, smarter and overall more powerful have failed against Batman as well 😬

Originally posted by King_Mungi

People who are stronger, faster, smarter and overall more powerful have failed against Batman as well 😬

like who?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
like who?

The entire JLA, as in the Tower of Babel.

Batman has even beat Aquaman in hand to hand combat

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The entire JLA, as in the Tower of Babel.

Batman has even beat Aquaman in hand to hand combat

you said batman has beaten people who were stronger, faster, AND SMARTER

no one on the JLA is smarter than Batman