Originally posted by Sam Z
English isn't my main language. I know a bunch of others as well so try again.So not only do I know more languages I know more about comics.
The only real scale of intelligence is your ability to memorize, and I can look at a 4 digit number once and remember it for a loooooonnnnnnnnnggg time. I have memorized a 12 digit number after only seeing it once. Don't say your smarter than me.
Originally posted by CreshoskFor god sake, it's obvious that the rule applies to characters as if they received knowledge of one another, stop trying to negate it. And the thread starter said nothing about Joker not knowing he would be coming.
Yeah that's how it works. what the general populace of their homeworld knows is what they would know. The general populace of Wolverine's homeworld would be lucky to know he exists.
Because bombs work so well for those that failed to blow him up in the past...A combination of bombs and other items such as acid and such could hold him off for a while.
And that healing factor is going to negate alot of the damage that joker can do. Those claws are going to negate alot of traps.Yes but he doesn't really have to kill him to win, aslong as he can get him out of his hair, he can take it.
Including you? Cause I didn't see you list 'em.Bombs, acids, trick weapons, etc.
Yeah, cause its against the KMC rules...I think you meant to say the Creshok rules....
SPiderman's webbing doesn't hold him, what makes you think that Joker could come up with something better than that?Spider-man makes his own web fluid does he not? I'd say Joker is better with chemicals than Spider-man, and could develope something even stronger.
Sorry, "No bias claims" rule.Whatever you think, but just because [b]you say it's against the rules doesn't make it fact.
Joker also knows quite a bit more about what makes the bat tick that what makes the runt tick.Joker isn't going to try to attack Wolverine the same way, he doesn't really do it when up against
Good, then quit using Bats as a comparison if the situation will be different.[quote]🤨 You completely f#cking missed my point. I'm not going to bother with this one any further, please re-read what I said.More smartass comments from yours truly....[quote]"Super wacky glue" is your big plan? Spiderman eat your heart out: The insane genius's big plan to take out Wolvie is to use your basic wepon.
Why should I bother? I'm honest to a fault. that fault is a lack of respect to those I don't respect. Hell I'm even a bit abbrasive with my friends when I'm irritated.Sounds like someone needs anger management, because if you can't even try to be civil it's obvious you have a problem with controlling your emotions.
Like the Bias claims rule and the basic knowldge rule? Sure you have.I'm not being bias and I'm not misusing the basic knowledge, your just to proud to say differently.
Never said he did. Hence why I said "in battle he could call for help".And it still doesn't equate to using outide help in a prep battle. Prep battles pretty much go against the rules anyway, so why
Yeah an hour, which is spent coming up with a plan that hasn't worked before.Want a explain?
Only by what's feesable in that period of prep for the given character.
No it isn't. It negates the "Standard equipment rule, not the outside help rule.Lol at this bs, you admit it negates one rule but not another? Hilarious and contradictory at it's finest. 🙂 It just proves that you do whatevers nessacary to suit your case.
That's cause people can't hold an intelligent debate. They can't be intelligent for me I won't be civil for them. Its an even trade off Mr. "Has sex with your mom."If I'm so dumb and you know you won't be civil, then why don't you just ignore me big man? Have you ever come to think that maybe, just maybe your just being an arrogant hostile prick who jumps down the throats of people you disagree with? Cause that's what it looks like to me........btw the more you flame in a thread, the more likely your going to get the thread closed.
I'm dissapointed with you Cresh, I view you as a really good poster who gives me a worth while debate. Though you can argue your to damn rude and arrogant, and just because I don't agree with you it doesn't give you the right to treat me like crap.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruWhat are you 12?
The only real scale of intelligence is your ability to memorize, and I can look at a 4 digit number once and remember it for a loooooonnnnnnnnnggg time. I have memorized a 12 digit number after only seeing it once. Don't say your smarter than me.
You're so much smarter and better at memorization yet you still make the common mistake of using "your" incorrectly?
And 😂 @ you saying memorization is the measure of intelligence to someone whom knows multiple languages.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomWhich is why the rule specifically states the thing about "that he's clark kent is not".
For god sake, it's obvious that the rule applies to characters as if they received knowledge of one another, stop trying to negate it.
Seriously, now I'm going to question your reading comprehension.
Why would they use a negative modifier when talking about Superman being Clark Kent. You only get the knowledge that the people of the character's homeworld would get. The people of Wolverine's homeworld don't know about him. He's not Captain America or Iron Man.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomThe example I used was supposed to illustrate that he was warned an hour ahead of time that he'd have to fight Wolveirne.
And the thread starter said nothing about Joker not knowing he would be coming.
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom"Hold him off" is not "defeat him". And they wouldn't hold him off for long.
A combination of bombs and other items such as acid and such could hold him off for a while.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomWhich he'll accomplish how? Spiderman's webbing can't hold him. He gets out too fast. Even stabbed Spiderman once shortly after.
Yes but he doesn't really have to kill him to win, aslong as he can get him out of his hair, he can take it.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomNone of which worked in the past. Why would it now?
Bombs, acids, trick weapons, etc.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomNo, the KMC rules. Go read them again.
I think you meant to say the Creshok rules....
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomNot anymore he doesn't. But he did originally.
Spider-man makes his own web fluid does he not?
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomSeeing as how you just proved that you're not up on spider-man... Your opinion on who's better is baised.
I'd say Joker is better with chemicals than Spider-man, and could develope something even stronger.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomNo, just because its against the rules makes it against the rules. Go read them again.
Whatever you think, but just because [b]you say it's against the rules doesn't make it fact.[/b]
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomUm... "yours truly" means "me".
Joker isn't going to try to attack Wolverine the same way, he doesn't really do it when up against
More smartass comments from yours truly....
I know you meant me as in Creshosk. but you using yours truly means you as in "Has sex with your mom".
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomKeyword "try".
Sounds like someone needs anger management, because if you can't even try to be civil
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomI have no problems controlling my emotions. I simply choose not to when dealing with less than intelligent posts.
it's obvious you have a problem with controlling your emotions.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomNo, no. "Bias claims" as in saying Joker wins cause you like him more or "He's joker he'll find a way." Or things like that.
I'm not being bias
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomYeah you are. Joker gets just as much knowledge about Wolverine as the common people of wolverine's Earth would get... His name if you're lucky.
and I'm not misusing the basic knowledge,
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmomif by "too prouc" you mean "correct" then yes.
your just to proud to say differently.
Otherwise you're projecting.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomNo they don't.
And it still doesn't equate to using outide help in a prep battle. Prep battles pretty much go against the rules anyway, so why
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomI'm not sure you have the mental facilities to understand even if I tried. You certianly don't seem to understand the rules when you read them.
Want a explain?
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomJoker would not breable to construct an enite complex labarinth in the spanse of an hour, for example. Anything that could not be accomplished in an hour is not a viable tactic. Because he only has one hour of prep. he does not get "an indefinite period of time" for prep. Also things that are outside his range of knowledge, such as casting a magic spell that takes two hours to complete is not a viable option.
Only by what's feesable in that period of prep for the given character.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomYes. That's the way it works.
Lol at this bs, you admit it negates one rule but not another?
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomNot in the slightest. There are stipulations added to matches to negate certain rules. Adding a stipulation does not mean that ALL the rules are negated.
Hilarious and contradictory at it's finest. 🙂
For example stating that the contestants fight in a wearhouse negates the "default starting area" rule. Saying that they start 5 feet apart negates the "default starting distance" rule.
This thread is not "Joker + help" It's "Joker with an hour of prep"
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomYou are projecting again.
It just proves that you do whatevers nessacary to suit your case.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomThought about it? I embody it. I'm an asshole.
If I'm so dumb and you know you won't be civil, then why don't you just ignore me big man? Have you ever come to think that maybe, [b]just maybe your just being an arrogant hostile prick who jumps down the throats of people you disagree with?[/b]
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomHey, you picked up on something, its a new record, one in a row.
Cause that's what it looks like to me........
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomWouldn't be the first time.
btw the more you flame in a thread, the more likely your going to get the thread closed.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomWhy the hell do people think this? Can you answer this for me? Its something I don't understand myself. I know I'm an ass. I know I'm aggressive with my socratic style. But why do people think I'm a good debator? OR even a good poster?
I'm dissapointed with you Cresh, I view you as a really good poster who gives me a worth while debate.
Originally posted by HazsekswthurmomAnd I care because?
Though you can argue your to damn rude and arrogant, and just because I don't agree with you it doesn't give you the right to treat me like crap.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruWhatever you and Cresh have going on in another thread is irrelevant. I don't want this carried over into the Versus forum. If you both can't get along then use the Ignore feature. Thanks.
I said I didn't admire the guys I know that could care less about comic book characters.And I proved you wrong about general relativity. Which you still haven't admitted.
Your not just an *******, your a narcissist, you only care about yourself, which is why you have too much pride to apologize for calling me a douchebag and for admitting when you are wrong. Oh, and I admit when I'm wrong.
Back on topic, the Joker wins, hands down.
And Guru....
Originally posted by Combat_Guru...not knowing the basics for a character isn't good when you're trying to debate. Just a bit of advice. 😉
Wolverine's real name is Logan. He was a test subject, who has had is skeletal structure replaced with Adamantium, and additional retractable claws added. He was given a fast healing factor, super hearing and an acute sense of smell. And he has a rather aggressive personality.I know enough about Wolverine to judge him.
Originally posted by Combat_Guru
The only real scale of intelligence is your ability to memorize, and I can look at a 4 digit number once and remember it for a loooooonnnnnnnnnggg time. I have memorized a 12 digit number after only seeing it once. Don't say your smarter than me.
You think memorizing is the only real scale of intelligence?? guess those autistic kids who have photographic memory and can remember where every piece of a puzzle goes after looking at it once but who can't even tie their shoes are geniuses...
IQ tests (which aren't the best measure of intelligence either but one of the only standardized ones we have) barely even test memory. As long as you can remember the question and remember what words mean you're basically good. Einstein had pretty bad day to day memory as well. He forgot where he lived. Edison (not really that much of a genius but still pretty smart) forgot his own name. And couldn't remember appointments, where he kept his notes etc etc.
You'll see this example a lot. I actually think most people with genius level intelligence have fairly poor memory since they're too busy thinking about things to keep any random piece of information in their head. Can't exactly scientifically prove that but in general memory has basically no correlation with intelligence.
As for joker vs wolverine, I didn't read through all the pages but 1 hour prep doesn't seem enough for joker to get enough stuff together to take out wolverine (unless you count a knock out as a win. Some of his gases and such should take him out for a little while anyway) In terms of ways he can take him out in general, drowning always works. My favourite method is a foam type thing that you can get in his mouth and expand to fill his lungs (hence suffocate) or that you can just put on his arms/claws. Since it wraps around his hand and claws and his claws can't move independently of his hand, the claws won't be able to move to slice it away. and since it's cushiony wolverine can't even crack it open or something. A sticky foam thing would be good too just to make it more difficult.
Adamantium is magnetic too so you can do so much to mess him up that way. Just get him in a room with electromagnets all around and keep him floating in the middle of it. Then just leave him there for a few months to starve. Or just get a magnet that is stronger than wolverine and when he pulls out his claws throw the magnet at him to just stick em together. The rest of his skeleton should be stuck to it too causing almost total incapacitation. (magnet stuff assumes prep time to figure stuff out about wolv of course. I guess just knowing he has metal claws is enough to try some magnet attacks)
And theres always electrical stuff to mess up his brain or nervous system.
But yeah, with prep and basic knowledge wolve should be easy to take out. With an hour prep and lacking some key information, joker will probably underestimate him and think him dead after a k.o. and then be killed.