If you are an atheist...

Originally posted by chickenlover98

- but what really gets me is people who have blind faith. that is something i cant stand. like for instance latin americans and blacks. no offense but i seriously doubt they comprehend exactly what that religion entails.

- as long as religions dont try and convert people i usually dont get too mad

... WTF, streotyping minorities without any real logic; what religion does not try to convert; yep, you are very logical...

Silly

Originally posted by willofthewisp

It seems through the media and message boards like this that atheists are much more likely to insult religious people and stereotype them as stupid and ignorant.

That's because they're using the anonymity of the internet to their advantage. I doubt the gung-ho Atheists on KMC who frequent the Religion Forum only to talk negatively about religion, do so when they're around people out in the real world.

Its really annoying, and its no different than someone who doesn't like baseball to go into a baseball thread/chatroom only to talk trash about it. Ok, so you don't like it, fine, but keep it to yourself.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
It just seems like some atheists like to "do us a favor" by telling us how stupid we all are. I suppose that's the equivalent of a missionary going out and trying to convert, but it seems more aggressive.

Tell me about it....

i think athiests are just dicks about it cause they're bitter that religious people have something that brings them happyness and makes things seem more simple. kinda like how anti-drug people are so passionate against somethin that doesn't effect them at all.. they're just mad that other people get to do drugs and have fun while they're stuck debating why it's wrong.

so long story short: believing in god is kinda like doing drugs and being an athiest is kinda like having to face things sober and walk around with a stick up ur ass.

Originally posted by red g jacks
i think athiests are just dicks about it cause they're bitter that religious people have something that brings them happyness and makes things seem more simple. kinda like how anti-drug people are so passionate against somethin that doesn't effect them at all.. they're just mad that other people get to do drugs and have fun while they're stuck debating why it's wrong.

so long story short: believing in god is kinda like doing drugs and being an athiest is kinda like having to face things sober and walk around with a stick up ur ass.

Now I realize it's not everyone, and I realize there are some atheist people believing that shit, too, but for a majority the reason is their (imo) ridiculous believe in God, which shouldn't affect me whatsoever. So, believe in God all you want, but don't press his 4000 year old, ignorant laws on me. Makes sense?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
That's because they're using the anonymity of the internet to their advantage. I doubt the gung-ho Atheists on KMC who frequent the Religion Forum only to talk negatively about religion, do so when they're around people out in the real world.

Its really annoying, and its no different than someone who doesn't like baseball to go into a baseball thread/chatroom only to talk trash about it. Ok, so you don't like it, fine, but keep it to yourself.

There is nothing at all wrong with questioning and reexamining ideas and beliefs. To suggest that there might be is merely an attempt to limit debate and dialogue to those who already agree, eliminating the critiques of outsiders and skeptics.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
That's because they're using the anonymity of the internet to their advantage. I doubt the gung-ho Atheists on KMC who frequent the Religion Forum only to talk negatively about religion, do so when they're around people out in the real world.

Its really annoying, and its no different than someone who doesn't like baseball to go into a baseball thread/chatroom only to talk trash about it. Ok, so you don't like it, fine, but keep it to yourself.

Tell me about it....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Just that Religion affects political decision every day. I don't mind a person that is religios in their home, or even talks about it in public or even prays in public ... or whatever they want, as long as me and my girlfriend are not in danger that those people take away our possibility to have an abortion if we want one, if they don't condition our possible children (if we haven't aborted them) that they should be abstinent and there's no other way, if they don't propose that "a blind guess" called "Intelligent Design" gets treated equally to the actual scientific theory of evolution in science classes, as long as my currency doesn't say that "we" trust in "God", as long as my children don't have to say that their nation is subject to a God I don't believe exists and personally hate about as much HItler or Emperor Palpatine, as long as they don't support bullshit church laws like banning gay marriage, banning drugs, banning prostitution...as long as they do not all that shit and all the other shit they do.

Now I realize it's not everyone, and I realize there are some atheist people believing that shit, too, but for a majority the reason is their (imo) ridiculous believe in God, which shouldn't affect me whatsoever. So, believe in God all you want, but don't press his 4000 year old, ignorant laws on me. Makes sense?

i personally dont know if theres a god, wouldn't consider myself religious and don't hold myself to their morals but not once have they really been able to oppress me beyond the petty act of knocking on my door with a pamphlet. i live how i want to live and they don't really have the power to stop me. sorry if you can't say the same..

Originally posted by red g jacks
i think you might be playin the victim just a little bit, depending on where you live.

I said I live in a mostly secular society, which is why I personally have not been victimized by Religious propaganda too severely. The point stands though.

Originally posted by red g jacks
regaurdless of how you feel about political issues like abortion or intelligent design i think the mature thing to do would be just to adress those issues when they come up, not go around telling the religious how ignorant they are for believing in god.

That's an issuein it's own right though. Believing in the God of the bible is close to ridiculous, especially taking the information in the bible literally and as historically correct.

Originally posted by red g jacks
my observation is most atheists aren't just passive people who dont want to be subject to religious morality but rather some kind of religious cult in it self which is based on the values of promoting relative morality and rejecting the supernatural all while holding some kind of personal vendetta against the belief in god.

Well, not my experience, if that was that way it would suck. Wouldn't change the facts speaking against Religion though.

Originally posted by red g jacks
that surely isnt helping your cause, just makes people with religion think you're being a douchebag.

True, possibly, but they believe in a God that created the earth in 6 days, 6000 years ago, so they can think what they want.....as long as they don't force their subjective opinion on morality on everyone.

Originally posted by red g jacks
i personally dont know if theres a god, wouldn't consider myself religious and don't hold myself to their morals but not once have they really been able to oppress me beyond the petty act of knocking on my door with a pamphlet. i live how i want to live and they don't really have the power to stop me. sorry if you can't say the same..

Of course I can't say the same. I do have the freedom to do what I want, but I don't have the freedom to not be persecuted for it if it doesn't harm anyone. Can you walk on the street, past a cop with a bag of hash and a lighted joing without being arrested and persecuted?
Obviously it's not only the fault of Religious people, there are all sorts of secular organisations oppressing people, as well, but Religious moral is certainly a big part of it.

i think it's equally ridiculous to claim there is no god as it is to claim there definitely is a god. none of us know for a fact so any such claim is all speculation.

no i can't walk past the cops with a bag of hash and light it up but i don't really blame the religious for that as much i'd blame the government/law enforcement. although i COULD put the weed in a wine flavored black n mild and smoke it in public without anyone knowing the difference without coming in my breathing space and smelling it (hypothetically). i also wouldn't want drugs to be legal not for religious reasons but for other political reasons (i personally believe the government would ruin the drug trade) but that's another thread's discussion. as far as other things being illegal that don't harm anyone else, well that's life. can't always blame religion for that, has much more to do with money 90% of the time.

Originally posted by red g jacks
i think it's equally ridiculous to claim there is no god as it is to claim there definitely is a god. none of us know for a fact so any such claim is all speculation.

no i can't walk past the cops with a bag of hash and light it up but i don't really blame the religious for that as much i'd blame the government/law enforcement. although i COULD put the weed in a wine flavored black n mild and smoke it in public without anyone knowing the difference without coming in my breathing space and smelling it (hypothetically). i also wouldn't want drugs to be legal not for religious reasons but for other political reasons (i personally believe the government would ruin the drug trade) but that's another thread's discussion. as far as other things being illegal that don't harm anyone else, well that's life. can't always blame religion for that, has much more to do with money 90% of the time.

I wouldn't say equally ridiculous. But yes, claiming there is certainly no God, in no form, is an insane thing to do.

The second thing you said, is what I said. You can't always blame Religion, but often it is partly responsible.

i suppose, but i personally cant think of any freedom i'm deprived through religiously motivated legislation.

if they ever succeeded in banning abortion here then that would count but i'd hope that never effects me either way.

gay marriage i personally couldnt care less, but if you're gay i suppose you have something to ***** about

i guess if i ever needed to kill someone that could be considered a religious rule that stops me...

Originally posted by red g jacks
i suppose, but i personally cant think of any freedom i'm deprived through religiously motivated legislation.

if they ever succeeded in banning abortion here then that would count but i'd hope that never effects me either way.

gay marriage i personally couldnt care less, but if you're gay i suppose you have something to ***** about

i guess if i ever needed to kill someone that could be considered a religious rule that stops me...

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I have a question for all people who do not believe any religion at all or even the possibility of God.

It seems through the media and message boards like this that atheists are much more likely to insult religious people and stereotype them as stupid and ignorant. Of course, the few atheists I have known have never acted that way, so please understand I am not grouping you together.

But my question is: does it bother you in some way when someone says they are of faith? It just seems like some atheists like to "do us a favor" by telling us how stupid we all are. I suppose that's the equivalent of a missionary going out and trying to convert, but it seems more aggressive. What is your take on people of faith? Do any faiths bother you more than others? What are your takes on Wicca and beliefs that don't really acknowledge a God per se? Just curious on what makes you tick.

thats a well loaded and essentially meaningless question, but let me ask you this:

can you present one name of one person who has died or beed killed in the name of atheism?

well bardock thats where i live. the south too, so we're swarming with jesus freaks.

so lemme run thru ur list.

abortion is legal here...
the abstinence thing is true. health classes need to be reformed but overall them telling me not to **** has never once been a deterant..
intelligent design is an idea, not a rule. and as far as i know not taught in schools here...
gay marriage is illegal but once again im not gay so doesnt really deprive me of anything..
drugs have about _ this much to do with jesus.. it was a religious group that initially pushed for banning drugs as well as alcohol but the government has since unbanned alcohol so the only excuse for the drug war is money...
prostitution well, i guess lol but that doesn't really bother me to be honest. i wouldn't care if they legalized it but im not being deprived of much since legal or illegal it's available and the main reason i dont participate is not because it's illegal, but because it's nasty. i prefer my sex to be with someone who isn't thinking about scoring crack afterwards.

so over all two of those things ring true, yet neither one is of any use to me. so i'd say they haven't deprived me of shit. if you're a homosexual or a john, then i guess you may run into some problems here.

Originally posted by red g jacks
well bardock thats where i live. the south too, so we're swarming with jesus freaks.

so lemme run thru ur list.

[QUOTE=10363476]Originally posted by red g jacks
[B]abortion is legal here...

Originally posted by red g jacks
the abstinence thing is true. health classes need to be reformed but overall them telling me not to **** has never once been a deterant..

Not a deterrent. But, possibly a reason why (not necessarily you) but others have no idea about sexual protection, apparently leading to 1 in 4 girls to have an STD nowadays, not to speak about teenage pregnancy (resulting in abortion...yeah, the church is at fault for high abortion rates, good job, you twats)

Originally posted by red g jacks
intelligent design is an idea, not a rule. and as far as i know not taught in schools here...

I believe it is taught in a few schools. And yes, it is an "idea", but again there is a large support for the idea and a movement to push it on scientist that should solely be responding to the scientific method, not political ideologies.

Originally posted by red g jacks
gay marriage is illegal but once again im not gay so doesnt really deprive me of anything.

It does deprive others of something, kinda like segregation didn't really bother whites, cause they got the shinier piece of pie. It was still bullshit.

Originally posted by red g jacks
drugs have about _ this much to do with jesus.. it was a religious group that initially pushed for banning drugs as well as alcohol but the government has since unbanned alcohol so the only excuse for the drug war is money...

Money? How is that an excuse. But granted, it's not a solely religious issue.

Originally posted by red g jacks
prostitution well, i guess lol but that doesn't really bother me to be honest. i wouldn't care if they legalized it but im not being deprived of much since legal or illegal it's available and the main reason i dont participate is not because it's illegal, but because it's nasty. i prefer my sex to be with someone who isn't thinking about scoring crack afterwards.

Yeah, not bothering you. But bothering other "free" citizens of your country. I wouldn't be bothered if all blonde people get killed...I'd still be opposed to it.

Originally posted by red g jacks
so over all two of those things ring true, yet neither one is of any use to me. so i'd say they haven't deprived me of shit. if you're a homosexual or a john, then i guess you may run into some problems here.

3 people by your evaluation. 5 for any reasonably concerned person though. Sure, you are not bothered by everything, but it is still an issue.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[B]And strongly opposed by a large amount of Christian's and people being harassed and even killed for performing them.

Not a deterrent. But, possibly a reason why (not necessarily you) but others have no idea about sexual protection, apparently leading to 1 in 4 girls to have an STD nowadays, not to speak about teenage pregnancy (resulting in abortion...yeah, the church is at fault for high abortion rates, good job, you twats)

I believe it is taught in a few schools. And yes, it is an "idea", but again there is a large support for the idea and a movement to push it on scientist that should solely be responding to the scientific method, not political ideologies.

It does deprive others of something, kinda like segregation didn't really bother whites, cause they got the shinier piece of pie. It was still bullshit.

Money? How is that an excuse. But granted, it's not a solely religious issue.

Yeah, not bothering you. But bothering other "free" citizens of your country. I wouldn't be bothered if all blonde people get killed...I'd still be opposed to it.

3 people by your evaluation. 5 for any reasonably concerned person though. Sure, you are not bothered by everything, but it is still an issue.

Originally posted by red g jacks
not an excuse my nigga it's the reason. look at the money surrounding the drug war and it becomes oh so obvious that it's not about religion at all but rather, the government doesnt like anyone making money despite them. if you decide to anyway then they will figure out a way to profit from it.

The other stuff I feel has been discussed thoroughly.

This though, is weird. As the government could make much more money making it legal.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Lots of things.

Like what?

Originally posted by queeq
Like what?

You didn't read any of the posts that came after that post, eh?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Just that Religion affects political decision every day. I don't mind a person that is religios in their home, or even talks about it in public or even prays in public ... or whatever they want, as long as me and my girlfriend are not in danger that those people take away our possibility to have an abortion if we want one, if they don't condition our possible children (if we haven't aborted them) that they should be abstinent and there's no other way, if they don't propose that "a blind guess" called "Intelligent Design" gets treated equally to the actual scientific theory of evolution in science classes, as long as my currency doesn't say that "we" trust in "God", as long as my children don't have to say that their nation is subject to a God I don't believe exists and personally hate about as much HItler or Emperor Palpatine, as long as they don't support bullshit church laws like banning gay marriage, banning drugs, banning prostitution...as long as they do not all that shit and all the other shit they do.

Now I realize it's not everyone, and I realize there are some atheist people believing that shit, too, but for a majority the reason is their (imo) ridiculous believe in God, which shouldn't affect me whatsoever. So, believe in God all you want, but don't press his 4000 year old, ignorant laws on me. Makes sense?