Odin versus H/P Doomsday in Pure Slugfest

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because there is a huge asterisk to it, with Mangog being far more powerful than before and Odin being less. Yes, Odin stabbing Mangog with his spear and sword. That was his method of attack. You don't think that, with Mangog saying Odin wasn't what he once was, and Odin admitting his omnipotence isn't what it once was, could possibly be related?

No, I don't. That's just Mangog mocking Odin and Odin being an arrogant dick who thought he had mjolnir in control.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/37594996/The_Mighty_Thor_2015-_704-006.jpg.html

I guess Mangog is weaker as well. Odin said so after all.

A very specific type of mocking that was...

Also, Thor enduring the hits as well as he did? It's not a low showing for Odin. Mangog literally broke War Thor and could actually damage the Destroyer.

Mangog punched War Thor like two dozen times and still didn't ko him.

Doomsday would rip Destroyer apart too. It's just a paper tiger now for anything above herald level.

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Mangog has been resurrected as the ultimate judgement of the Gods, ALL of them, in Omnipotence City. He was heralded as something that could not be stopped, that the Phoenix acknowledged as worse, and that nothing in Asgard, none of their weapons, are able to stop. Mangog was always a beast, but Aaron turned him into something even worse.

Yeah, just like Doomsday which was the ultimate killer, who almost decimated GLC, destroyed Darkseid, destroyed Superman, destroyed JLA, destroyed Imperiex probes etc.

Neither of these are lacking in hyperboles.

Except Doomsday didn't have his teeth knocked out by War Thor and Jane. Or stabbed by Heimdall. Or screaming in pain from lightning.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Those attacks didn't slow Mangog down at all.....

Heimdall and Freya didn't even illicit a response. Thor's lightning is stupid powerful....

Doomsday waded through Superman's HV and Orion astro force like nothing.

The way I see it, here's why there's a distinction between the two statements.

Odin talking shit is easy to discern because he was even having trouble speaking when he said Mangog didn't hit as hard.

Mangog was relatively fresh when he wondered out loud if they weren't quite what he remembered. And while we have ample feats to support Mangog being stronger than usual, the same cannot be said for Odin who has appeared particularly weak under Aaron.

So you have a couple of statements, and some a few years of being particularly unimpressive for some reason, and Mangogs words make more sense.

But with Mangog, you have one statement, from a guy he was clearly beating the crap out of, then a whole bunch of strong feats. Those two are not equal. If one is,better supported, its that Odin isnt functioning at 100% for some reason.

Originally posted by Damborgson
The way I see it, here's why there's a distinction between the two statements.

Odin talking shit is easy to discern because he was even having trouble speaking when he said Mangog didn't hit as hard.

Mangog was relatively fresh when he wondered out loud if they weren't quite what he remembered. And while we have ample feats to support Mangog being stronger than usual, the same cannot be said for Odin who has appeared particularly weak under Aaron.

So you have a couple of statements, and some a few years of being particularly unimpressive for some reason, and Mangogs words make more sense.

But with Mangog, you have one statement, from a guy he was clearly beating the crap out of, then a whole bunch of strong feats. Those two are not equal. If one is,better supported, its that Odin isnt functioning at 100% for some reason.

My guess.. Odin referenced "Fear". Cul may have corrupted him somehow??

Other guess is Surtur. His time with Surtur's energies from the not so distant past is phukkin with him.

Either way even he has lost influence on the hammer.

I need to understand why ABHI thinks Doomsday could damage the destroyer.

Odin oneshots

HP DD is overrated anyways

Originally posted by carver9
I need to understand why ABHI thinks Doomsday could damage the destroyer.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
Odin oneshots

HP DD is overrated anyways

In h2h?

Originally posted by Damborgson
The way I see it, here's why there's a distinction between the two statements.

Odin talking shit is easy to discern because he was even having trouble speaking when he said Mangog didn't hit as hard.

Mangog was relatively fresh when he wondered out loud if they weren't quite what he remembered. And while we have ample feats to support Mangog being stronger than usual, the same cannot be said for Odin who has appeared particularly weak under Aaron.

So you have a couple of statements, and some a few years of being particularly unimpressive for some reason, and Mangogs words make more sense.

But with Mangog, you have one statement, from a guy he was clearly beating the crap out of, then a whole bunch of strong feats. Those two are not equal. If one is,better supported, its that Odin isnt functioning at 100% for some reason.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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My guess.. Odin referenced "Fear". Cul may have corrupted him somehow??

Other guess is Surtur. His time with Surtur's energies from the not so distant past is phukkin with him.

Either way even he has lost influence on the hammer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh. This ain't how it works.

Well you're gonna have to elaborate, because I actually gave reasons.

Unless you do, you're just saying no. Which doesn't mean anything lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So pure speculation, eh?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Well you're gonna have to elaborate, because I actually gave reasons.

Unless you do, you're just saying no. Which doesn't mean anything lol.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Well you're gonna have to elaborate, because I actually gave reasons.

Unless you do, you're just saying no. Which doesn't mean anything lol.

Odin saying he isn't omnipotent as before because mjolnir refuses to obey him is Odin being an arrogant dick and trying to save face. He had troubles with mjolnir long before it became sentient.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes.
As to what caused his current state. Seems to be a recurring theme that Aaron keeps reminding us.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mangog mocking Odin and Odinson as weakened when we know It Odinson isn't weakened isn't a proof of Odin actually being weakened.

Odin saying he isn't omnipotent as before because mjolnir refuses to obey him is Odin being an arrogant dick and trying to save face. He had troubles with mjolnir long before it became sentient.

But he is weakened. He's without Mjolnir. And once again, that statement of yours doesn't carry proof with it, it's just your interpretation, which has less to back it than mine does.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So pure speculation, eh?

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Originally posted by Damborgson
But he is weakened. He's without Mjolnir. And once again, that statement of yours doesn't carry proof with it, it's just your interpretation, which has less to back it than mine does.

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mmm

It's not speculation. Unless Odin is shown to be weakened, he isn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is him being without mjolnir weakened him? I thought mjolnir was only to focus his powers. Or was Rage lying about that too?

mmm

It's not speculation. Unless Odin is shown to be weakened, he isn't.

Because it's a reality warping weapon that significantly increases striking power. Therefore "not what he remembers".

Rage is Rage. I don't speak for him.

He has been. We've got two on panel suggestions that he's not what he was. Plus a few years of less than impressive feats to back it up.

You've got what, "no he wasn't." ?

Even with all his powers available, Doomsday wins.

Doomsday is above Superman, and revives every time he dies, unable to be killed the same way again.

Odin's only way to win here is by bfr, which isn't allowed.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Because it's a reality warping weapon that significantly increases striking power. Therefore "not what he remembers".

Rage is Rage. I don't speak for him.

He has been. We've got two on panel suggestions that he's not what he was. Plus a few years of less than impressive feats to back it up.

You've got what, "no he wasn't." ?

There is no reason given for Odin to be Depowered. Hence like Odins statement regarding Mangog it is discarded.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But removing it does not decrease his power.

There is no reason given for Odin to be Depowered. Hence like Odins statement regarding Mangog it is discarded.

I know what you mean, but you can see how not being hit with a reality warping weapon would lead Mangog to question what happened right?

There's now enough evidence to suggest otherwise though. /shrug I can't convince you either way, but it is what it is. There's actually more to suggest now that he is than that of him being at full capacity. Maybe it'll blow over, maybe it'll be made perfectly clear that Odin was the same old Odin, but for now, it doesn't look that way.

Mjolnir warps reality now?

Fair enough.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mjolnir warps reality now?

Fair enough.

At its more exotic levels, to a lesser extent.

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Like what? And where did Thor used it like that against Mangog?