Originally posted by carver9Because he could damage an amped Superman with absolute ease. His claw penetrated Superman as if he was made of liquid gel. He nearly killed Darkseid in a matter of several blows.
I need to understand why ABHI thinks Doomsday could damage the destroyer.
Destroyer is most likely more durable than Superman. But not by very much since we go by feats.
geezus, really abhi? thor w/hammer vs thor w/axe. start a thread and see who wins....
clearly he is less of a threat when he doesn't have the hammer--even more so than normally may have been the case given the more recent revelations and showings by the hammer.
as for odin--could his weakness (and he clearly does seem weaker) be somehow related to asgardia? asgard is also far from what it once was. i mean the imperial guard walked in a phukked their sh!t up. i dunno, just thinking out loud. /shrug
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, Destroyer was powered by a sickly, dying goddess.Let's not share feats here. What the Destroyer has done in the past is moot.
Why? It doesn't matter that the writers don't come to a consensus about it this is how the destroyer works, and the fact is that compared to a mortal soul, Freya, use her name, would have given it a lot more to work with.
Even hostless, or powered by disposable Asgardians, the destroyer could beat the shit out of Gladiator under Aaron, Freya would have given it a lot more to work with.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, Destroyer was powered by a sickly, dying goddess.Let's not share feats here. What the Destroyer has done in the past is moot.
A sick Freya is still far superior to a regular Asgardian, much less a human host.
The Destroyer might not have been operating at full potential, but even an emptier shell beat the shit out of the Imperial Guard and mortal hosts have raped Thor, Hulk etc.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Why? It doesn't matter that the writers don't come to a consensus about it this is how the destroyer works, and the fact is that compared to a mortal soul, Freya, use her name, would have given it a lot more to work with.Even hostless, or powered by disposable Asgardians, the destroyer could beat the shit out of Gladiator under Aaron, Freya would have given it a lot more to work with.
Would she? And I HAVE used her name too 👆
How many Asgardians or mortals is Freya equal to? Mangog likened it to dying.
I'm nowhere near as fast or as strong as a horse, but a dying one? Sure. I bet I can outrun a dying horse. I could probably beat the deal out of Muhammad Ali when he was dying too.
Probably.
Destroyer is a monster even under weaker hosts. Always thought that it was on par with Mangog. Weakened Freya was an out for Mangog to beat such a monster. If Mango won through attrition and forced her soul out of the armor, that would have been ok. But the way he beat it by crunching it's arm off like it was tin foil, that showed me Mango was operating at crazy levels.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Destroyer is a monster even under weaker hosts. Always thought that it was on par with Mangog. Weakened Freya was an out for Mangog to beat such a monster. If Mango won through attrition and forced her soul out of the armor, that would have been ok. But the way he beat it by crunching it's arm off like it was tin foil, that showed me Mango was operating at crazy levels.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
And when Jane beats the shit out of Mangog in 705-706, can we just agree that Odin and destroyer were lowballed by one specific writer?
Maybe.
Btw u were right. Odin is currently not operating at standard levels. Aaron has brought it up multiple times now. I remember u had said so in some other thread while I chalked it up to low showings. Something is up with him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Would she? And I HAVE used her name too 👆How many Asgardians or mortals is Freya equal to? Mangog likened it to dying.
I'm nowhere near as fast or as strong as a horse, but a dying one? Sure. I bet I can outrun a dying horse. I could probably beat the deal out of Muhammad Ali when he was dying too.
Probably.
😬 she one shot the demon possesion out of Thor and killed Karnilla. Do you think she'll bring more to the table than a mortal?
Also okay, its just an important distinction because she's not just any goddess.
Depends what you mean by dying. Mangog said what he said, but Freya was recovering, not dying anymore. And while your examples would hold true in the street category, these are levels of power far beyond the scope of us. So good example but not really applicable in this case.
The fact remains, the destroyer is powered by souls. And in the same comic , it was said to have become stronger over time. Then factor in that even a weakened Freya is a significant boost, and Mangog beating it just became very impressive. Especially considering what the destroyer was doing with weaker souls/hostless.
Didn't it just say it was burning through souls at a faster rate, not that it was more powerful?
And yeah. Agree on the street levels.
But it's about soul power, brother. So the soul of say a 'street leveller' (Cap) would potentially be more powerful than that of a god (Loki).
I can't prove this of course. But crucially,nobody can. How powerful was Freyjas dying soul? No idea. We can't just power scale though, and share feats.
Is the will power of a dying human GL (Hal) stronger than a sentient planet(Mogo)? Maybe? Who knows.
It's all abstract at this point. Trying to assign a scale to it won't work, that's my point.
We can't say 'look at the Destroyers feats with a no name Asgardian', 'One Freyja is equal to 100 Asgardian', a dying Freyja is equal to 10, so let's power scale and use the fight with Glads, and multiply by 10'.
That's essentially what you're saying.
the destroyer has never to my knowledge really fluctuated very widely in power regardless of the host. historically it's always been pretty beastly. lots of thing in the thor mythos has seemingly been turned on its head a bit recently though, so, who knows. odin powered destroyer is somewhat different since it also gains the odin power, and the celestial destroyer was empowered by all the pantheons. even human hosts that have powered the armor have been greater than thor. again, maybe recently a distinction has been trying to be made, but i don't THINK in the past it mattered--the armor was powerful, regardless.
in fact, wasn't there an arc were no one even knew who was powering it? the armor didn't seem more powerful to anyone even though i think it may have been thor (or loki) who was proven to be powering it.... maybe. 😮