In regards to Odin wielding Mjolnir, the author most certainly retconned some history in issue 12. Page 18-19 states that Odin let the hammer rot because he couldn't tame it until..then Thor appeared.
With that said, i doubt any other writer will acknowledge it considering the Author of issue 12 kinda contradicted himself. The librarian in page 6 states that there are stories of Odin wielding the hammer...
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Abhi... One scan does not retcon the entirety of Odin's history with Mjolnir. I can easily post a never ending list of scans of his mastery over Mjolnir.
But thanks for confirming that you lied.
If you have proof that the entirety of Odin's history has been retconned, let me see it.
Hell he can't even budge Mjolnir now much less lift it an inch. At least in your scan he was able to wield it. What's more is your scan clearly show his earliest time with the hammer where he even posited that the storm was "still" raging inside the hammer. That literally right after it was imprisoned.
It was only "raging" inside. Now when Fury whispered to Thor, it awakened mother storm.
That has been clarified times and more. It's the reason Odin is not able to lift the hammer.
This is seriously laughable at this point. Are you arguing Jane is somehow more powerful than Odin if loss of power is somehow preventing Odin from lifting the hammer?
And btw lying is proclaiming that Cul has never been a skyfather even when presented by overwhelming evidence.
Is that so? Diverting the topic yet again after caught lying?
Err.. Another writer keeping the same theme with his current state only works against you.
What does TWSAIS have to do with this?
When Aaron never hinted that Odin was weaker to begin with.
They were affecting Odin and his performance issues.
His proclamation of his omnipotence not being the same was also right before SW. As well as his inability to even budge Mjolnir. Durrr...
And Secret Wars erased those events as incursions never happened.
Him unable to lift the hammer has nothing to do with any loss of power.
Twice? I listed multiple things. And now because of your scans, you've opened up more proof.
😂
This is just hilarious at this point. You're like rage at this point. All in denial and everything.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In this case it does. Aaron has retconned the whole story of mjolnir origin.But thanks for confirming that you lied.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was only "raging" inside. Now when Fury whispered to Thor, it awakened mother storm.That has been clarified times and more. It's the reason Odin is not able to lift the hammer.
This is seriously laughable at this point. Are you arguing Jane is somehow more powerful than Odin if loss of power is somehow preventing Odin from lifting the hammer?
Abhi, I've cited multiple reasons. Heck a few of them cite Odin's lack of power or stark contrast from his former self.
And now with your scans, it makes that even clearer. Your scan has him able to lift Mjolnir, while his current self can't even budge it a millimeter.
Jane? The hammer has chosen Jane. That argument is dumb.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that so? Diverting the topic yet again after caught lying?
Originally posted by abhilegend
When Aaron never hinted that Odin was weaker to begin with.They were affecting Odin and his performance issues.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And Secret Wars erased those events as incursions never happened.Him unable to lift the hammer has nothing to do with any loss of power.
😂
This is just hilarious at this point. You're like rage at this point. All in denial and everything.
Peace and luv my tar pit swimming friend.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Abhi. It's really not a retcon. Aaron added to the hammer's legend. Classic origin had told of the hammer being forged by dwarves from a chunk of uru, used a star's energies, and ultimately imbued by a portion of the Odinforce. What part of that muthos changed? Aaron merely added that the uru the dwarves used had the essence of a sentient galaxy side storm inside it.
Makes sense?
It's one of the biggest retcons of these days. I mean you've to be blind to think that it wasn't a retcon.
Odin placed the enchantments on the hammer so nobody could control the hammer just like he couldn't.
There is no part of odinforce in the hammer that powers it. It's all mother storm now.
Why do you think so many Thor fans are outraged because of this?
This may be the biggest case of denial I've seen on this forum.
Ughh.. Thor consciously/subconciously believes all gods were never worthy of the mortals that admire them.
And Thor somehow made Odin unworthy?
Are you listening to yourself now?
Abhi, I've cited multiple reasons. Heck a few of them cite Odin's lack of power or stark contrast from his former self.
And now with your scans, it makes that even clearer. Your scan has him able to lift Mjolnir, while his current self can't even budge it a millimeter.
Because at that time mother storm wasn't awakened. And there was no enchantment on the hammer.
Even in one million BC, Odin had to struggle to lift the hammer.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HTwWmr7mkn4/Wcueaqk8TiI/AAAAAAAB3IM/wXKpg5zGjZMI19I82C47OFwGgqKFk4cKQCLcBGAs/s1600/022_0002.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qtgaLMezOb0/WcueapQ_W2I/AAAAAAAB3IQ/P2NPL7jlBxkCI3yLdYI2dD9ehq1LKo2ZgCLcBGAs/s1600/022_0003.jpg
Jane? The hammer has chosen Jane. That argument is dumb.
But how could the hammer chose Jane? Obviously it was Odin weakening that made him unable to lift it, right?
So either Jane is more powerful than Odin or hammer itself rejected Odin and it has nothing to do with power.
Sorry my friend. I don't do what u do...
Look at the list. Not repeating myself.
Concession accepted.
Umm.. SW may have added to current 616, it didn't completely erase what happened before. At least in regards to Asgardian mythos. Thor still has one arm, Odin is still in a back and forth with Freya on leadership, Malekith is still continuing his plan of chaos, etc... Hell Starbrandand Nightmask still remember their encounter with the beyonders.
Yes, but they also mentioned that it didn't happen. Thor did not die against beyonders, Jane didn't go to battleworld and Odin didn't die in incursions like in that Loki story.
So no, that whole Last Days of Midgard story is erased from continuity.
Peace and luv my tar pit swimming friend.
You too tarpit speedster.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It's one of the biggest retcons of these days. I mean you've to be blind to think that it wasn't a retcon.Odin placed the enchantments on the hammer so nobody could control the hammer just like he couldn't.
There is no part of odinforce in the hammer that powers it. It's all mother storm now.
Why do you think so many Thor fans are outraged because of this?
This may be the biggest case of denial I've seen on this forum.
He also obviously used Odinforce. "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worth... blah... blah.. etc." How else does Thor's power(thundergod powers) transfer/replicate to a worthy wielder?
http://viewcomic.com/the-mighty-thor-v2-012-2016/
The forging and use of odinforce enchantments is virtually identical to this classic narrative.
https://imgur.com/FVrqJgY.jpg
If you wanna call this a retcon then I guess yeah. But my issue is that the main parts of its forging has never changed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And Thor somehow made Odin unworthy?Are you listening to yourself now?
Because at that time mother storm wasn't awakened. And there was no enchantment on the hammer.
Even in one million BC, Odin had to struggle to lift the hammer.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HTwWmr7mkn4/Wcueaqk8TiI/AAAAAAAB3IM/wXKpg5zGjZMI19I82C47OFwGgqKFk4cKQCLcBGAs/s1600/022_0002.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qtgaLMezOb0/WcueapQ_W2I/AAAAAAAB3IQ/P2NPL7jlBxkCI3yLdYI2dD9ehq1LKo2ZgCLcBGAs/s1600/022_0003.jpg
Your own scans only serve my point further.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But how could the hammer chose Jane? Obviously it was Odin weakening that made him unable to lift it, right?So either Jane is more powerful than Odin or hammer itself rejected Odin and it has nothing to do with power.
Concession accepted.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, but they also mentioned that it didn't happen. Thor did not die against beyonders, Jane didn't go to battleworld and Odin didn't die in incursions like in that Loki story.So no, that whole Last Days of Midgard story is erased from continuity.
You too tarpit speedster.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Abhi.. There have been more than one take on Mjolnir's forging even before Aaron's. All that stuff with dwarven forged uru, using a star's energy, odinforce, etc., etc has never changed. Like I said the mother storm was something added to the mythos.
A point that Aaron made very clear.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4LmlySFEvbY/WPjPWLxKsHI/AAAAAAADZK4/Euot8mNTS0MzPL-go0e1Gxln77u_WXp5QCLcB/s1600/066_005.jpg
Haha, WTF? That was Aaron informing that the previous version of the mjolnir creation was false and laid out the new origin for the hammer.
He also obviously used Odinforce. "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worth... blah... blah.. etc." How else does Thor's power(thundergod powers) transfer/replicate to a worthy wielder?
http://viewcomic.com/the-mighty-thor-v2-012-2016/
Hey idiot, Odin was flying around the Asgard without any enchantment on the hammer. Previously it was Odin who powered the hammer, now it's just mother storm.
And Odin enchanted the hammer so nobody could pick it up. Read the scans dammit.
The forging and use of odinforce enchantments is virtually identical to this classic narrative.
https://imgur.com/FVrqJgY.jpg
No it isn't. The worthiness enchantment was only done because Odin didn't want anyone to pick the hammer.
If you wanna call this a retcon then I guess yeah. But my issue is that the main parts of its forging has never changed.
The whole story changed. It's like you're consciously denying what actually happened there.
Mother storm was always there. Odin now lacks the power to subdue it. He can't even budge it a millimeter left alone lift it nowadays. If his omnipotence was as potent as when he overpowered the storm, he most likely can at the very least lift it.
Mother storm weakened after a long fight when Odin defeated it. Now when Mother Storm is at full power Odin can't budge the hammer.
It's not hard to understand.
Here you are with backpeddling stuff again.
Your own scans only serve my point further.
If only.
Dunno. Ask aaron why it chose her.
It is Odin's current state that makes him unable to exert sovereignty over the hammer.
There is no such thing as Odin's current state. He is as powerful as ever.
They happened. Thor, Jane, and a most of the multiverse were fixed. That ragnarok also happened, but the gods were saved by God of Stories Loki. He saved their essences when he stepped outside of the multiverse iirc. Weird story, but yeah...
No it did not. That was the whole point of Secret Wars.
That Loki story wasn't even acknowledged outside the series.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, WTF? That was Aaron informing that the previous version of the mjolnir creation was false and laid out the new origin for the hammer.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey idiot, Odin was flying around the Asgard without any enchantment on the hammer. Previously it was Odin who powered the hammer, now it's just mother storm.And Odin enchanted the hammer so nobody could pick it up. Read the scans dammit.
Yes he was.No it isn't. The worthiness enchantment was only done because Odin didn't want anyone to pick the hammer.
The whole story changed. It's like you're consciously denying what actually happened there.
Worthiness enchant.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yHvCp963J4A/WPjPZX8KmHI/AAAAAAADZLk/iyxJB8IpH0I7_B-AOBF5KAMTe0mu4cY_gCLcB/s1600/066_017.jpg
And in your scan Odin imposing his sovereignty over the hammer.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qtgaLMezOb0/WcueapQ_W2I/AAAAAAAB3IQ/P2NPL7jlBxkCI3yLdYI2dD9ehq1LKo2ZgCLcBGAs/s1600/022_0003.jpg
Again classic narrative.
https://i.imgur.com/FVrqJgY.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mother storm weakened after a long fight when Odin defeated it. Now when Mother Storm is at full power Odin can't budge the hammer.It's not hard to understand.
Here you are with backpeddling stuff again.
If only.
There is no such thing as Odin's current state. He is as powerful as ever.
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"Backpedaling?" Lol.. U sure you're using that right?
Even if you don't subscribe to a lesser current Odin because of his inability to impose his will on Mjolnir, there are still glaring truths that just won't go away.His own admission of lesser omnipotence.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SlY-SNIZWMo/VNxY5cdaU9I/AAAAAAAH_Oc/_eRKEwoIEMs/s1600/p78_18.jpgInability to call on the odinforce even through a Ragnarok event.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1IEAcLybKI0/VYuCVrLKOEI/AAAAAAAMjbs/KlQ7tKYt8wM/s1600/p_19_12.jpgNow culminating into Mangog's own evaluation of current Odin. An evaluation that ends in the same narrative of a lesser Odin.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xKQ0iVxIC5A/Wo239pocf0I/AAAAAAAC2kA/taJvfAL_5h8yxCGqc5ViKWRZs-j0LiDGQCLcBGAs/s1600/074_013.jpg[QUOTE=16527495]Originally posted by abhilegend
No it did not. That was the whole point of Secret Wars.That Loki story wasn't even acknowledged outside the series.
when it IS confirmed odin has changed--because evidence does indeed suggest there is something going on--abhi, will you publicly admit you were wrong this entire time and that the thor side was ultimately right?
so many gymnastics. at least table the discussion until something comes up to verify one position or the other. geezus. so many pages of the same thing.... if he's NOT shown to be verifiably weakened, then sure, i'll say abhi was right. but even if you ARE right, it doesn't justify this constant head-against-the-wall approach. oi...
It was mentioned once by Odin that his omnipotence isn't what it once was. Now Mangog said the same.
I am not keeping up with the current discussion (I'll read through later) but just an fyi, but I noticed that Odin was ALSO giving intravenous transfers of the Odin Force to Freya right before Mangog's invasion to keep her alive.
Not only is he weakened (This is an easy explanation, Odin hasn't had the Odin Sleep in canon in how many years?), but he has been supplying Freya to keep her alive.
Anyways, I'm interested in reading this thread but goddamn, Celey, stop replying to Abhil, it literally kills the discussion even if you are making good points.
Edit: Wtf, Abhil is refusing to acknowledge the Loki? That's canon. He just referenced it in the Doctor Strange stories...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was mentioned once by Odin that his omnipotence isn't what it once was. Now Mangog said the same.I am not keeping up with the current discussion (I'll read through later) but just an fyi, but I noticed that Odin was ALSO giving intravenous transfers of the Odin Force to Freya right before Mangog's invasion to keep her alive.
Not only is he weakened (This is an easy explanation, Odin hasn't had the Odin Sleep in canon in how many years?), but he has been supplying Freya to keep her alive.
Anyways, I'm interested in reading this thread but goddamn, Celey, stop replying to Abhil, it literally kills the discussion even if you are making good points.
Edit: Wtf, Abhil is refusing to acknowledge the Loki? That's canon. He just referenced it in the Doctor Strange stories...
We know this because Jane was matching him in a fight. He was bloodied trying to take her down and he couldn't
