Originally posted by jinzin
I don't think MA had anything to do with sending those characters flying 20 feet through brick walls. 😕I think his MA skill is what's able to actually hurt them but make them fly? Nah..
I'd say Wolvie's max is probably about 3 tons,maybe 3 1/2.
And if you use science to support your arguments then you must not discredit someone else's argument when they use science to support theirs. For example, since Spiderman is more than twice as strong and has less than half the weight as Wolverine then he should accelerate his body more than 4times faster than wolverine (because of a=F/m).
Originally posted by h1a8
And spiderman has lifted more than 100 tons before and more than 40 tons many times. Doesn't make him class 100 or even class 40 now does it?
I would actually think that in times of extreme duress Spiderman's adrenaline levels boost up and grant him strength in the levels of 30 to 40 tons for short periods of time. Kinda like the whole moms with cars thing.
The difference, Logan's strength ratings are consistent with his higher showings and put him at a class that's described as superhuman.
He was stated as being near peak human already before having his strength augmented 3x over during the weapon x experiments.
He's been described on panel and off as having enhanced strength, and superhuman strength.
He's been pulling off multiple feats of 3 ton strength since his earliest days on the team.
When he did throw the dumpster he wasn't even straining himself.
when Logan slung the dumpster he wasn't even straining himself.
Originally posted by h1a8
And if you use science to support your arguments then you must not discredit someone else's argument when they use science to support theirs. For example, since Spiderman is more than twice as strong and has less than half the weight as Wolverine then he should accelerate his body more than 4times faster than wolverine (because of a=F/m).
The fact is Wolverine HAS FEATS and credability to back those feats up that would put him the class 3 range.
Spderman doesn't have the feats to back up that he's faster than peak humans with excellent skills when it comes to h2h. There's always a possibility that you're right, maybe he does accelerate faster, but moves so predictably to people like DD and Cap that he gets hammered anyway....
Of course we've already seen how you respond to that "I don't like it, it didn't happen".
Wolverine should NOT has superhuman strength. Its never stated by any source to be in his power set. I will say he should be a lot stronger than someone of his size because hes constantly carrying around a 600+ pound skeleton. But Wolverine tossing 3 ton loads around I credit to writers get over excited with their fanboyism.
As for Spider-man having enhanced speed, of course he does. Its generally stated in his powerset, and he dodges automatic fire as the rounds are in the air.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Wolverine should NOT has superhuman strength. Its never stated by any source to be in his power set. I will say he should be a lot stronger than someone of his size because hes constantly carrying around a 600+ pound skeleton. But Wolverine tossing 3 ton loads around I credit to writers get over excited with their fanboyism.
As for Spider-man having enhanced speed, of course he does. Its generally stated in his powerset, and he dodges automatic fire as the rounds are in the air.
It doesnt matter if its not stated in his powereset. Wolverine has shown time and time again he has superhuman strength.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Wolverine should NOT has superhuman strength. Its never stated by any source to be in his power set. I will say he should be a lot stronger than someone of his size because hes constantly carrying around a 600+ pound skeleton. But Wolverine tossing 3 ton loads around I credit to writers get over excited with their fanboyism.
As for Spider-man having enhanced speed, of course he does. Its generally stated in his powerset, and he dodges automatic fire as the rounds are in the air.
Ummm.. yes it has.
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He's a level four in marvel's stats which is an accredited superhuman level.
he's also been described as such on and OFF panel, you should really just ask questions when you're so incredibly ignorant of something rather than rant off on ridiculous widely inaccurate boastings.
No one's arguing that Spiderman has incredible speed. 😕
well, wolverine's strength HAS to be a little bit greater because in most descriptions of his powers, it mentions the benefits of his healing factor regenerating the muscle tissue as soon as it gets torn while lifting weight. his ligaments and tendons also regenerate
as we all know muscle gets larger when it tears and then the body adjusts to compensate for further weight bearing. logan can do this instantaneously, plus the added resilience of his bone structure makes his ability to bear weight greater.
he also weighs 300 pounds - 5'3" in height and is most likely top heavy.
i hate the whole peak human lifting argument but at least. logan's is somewhat justified.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, wolverine's strength HAS to be a little bit greater because in most descriptions of his powers, it mentions the benefits of his healing factor regenerating the muscle tissue as soon as it gets torn while lifting weight. his ligaments and tendons also regenerateas we all know muscle gets larger when it tears and then the body adjusts to compensate for further weight bearing. logan can do this instantaneously, plus the added resilience of his bone structure makes his ability to bear weight greater.
he also weighs 300 pounds - 5'3" in height and is most likely top heavy.
i hate the whole peak human lifting argument but at least. logan's is somewhat justified.
^^ co-signed. Any bodybuilder knows that it's all about optimizing the recovery time after a lift in order to obtain optimal results. Oftentimes bodybuilders will have 3 good days of heavy working out split out per week, with each of those 3 days spent alternating a muscle group.
In Wolverines' case, this period is instantaneous - his muscles, tendons and ligaments heal instantly. If he started off as a 120 lb. shrimp, with that regen factor he could be bulked up like Arnold Schwartzenagger in his prime in just a few hours of heavy lifting.
That being said, Wolverine is over a hundred years old and has insane combat experience. With any martial artist, they optimize the muscles used for their fighting technique over time - in Wolverines case, his muscles that would be used for all of his common moves would be far above Olympic level athletes in every category - speed, strength, stamina, and flexibility. His muscles would be ultra dense combined with adamantite bone structure to support any amount of weight, and the adamantite also somehow covers the areas in between bones, such as joints and vertebrae.
In short all major human weaknesses in the bone / muscle structure would be eliminated. Given that line of reasoning it would be easy to conceive of Wolverine bench pressing 2000 lbs for instance.
Originally posted by jinzin
I disagree about the 100 tons thing, his highest strength feats have incredible levels of ambiguity.I would actually think that in times of extreme duress Spiderman's adrenaline levels boost up and grant him strength in the levels of 30 to 40 tons for short periods of time. Kinda like the whole moms with cars thing.
The difference, Logan's strength ratings are consistent with his higher showings and put him at a class that's described as superhuman.
He was stated as being near peak human already before having his strength augmented 3x over during the weapon x experiments.
He's been described on panel and off as having enhanced strength, and superhuman strength.
He's been pulling off multiple feats of 3 ton strength since his earliest days on the team.
When he did throw the dumpster he wasn't even straining himself.
when Logan slung the dumpster he wasn't even straining himself.
Spider-man lifted a multistory building and a weight that both him and She-Hulk struggled with before. What is so ambiguous about that? Actually, I think your 3ton feat estimate borders on ambiguity.
Doesn't matter what Logan has done he is still peak human (able to lift 800lbs over his head). The same thing goes for spider-man, being class 10 despite the multiple feats he has. The strength rating in bios assumes optimal circumstances, that means supreme effort with stress.
Here's a good question.
How many feats does it take for someone to defy every official handbook stat?
Originally posted by jinzin
At what point did real world phyics and physiology come into my part of the debate? 😕The fact is Wolverine HAS FEATS and credability to back those feats up that would put him the class 3 range.
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You are using real world science to estimate Logan's strength. This is obvious. You are saying that since Logan has done such and such then he can lift 3 tons (even though he has never actually lifted 3 tons). If this isn't science reasoning then I don't know what is.
Originally posted by jinzin
Ummm.. yes it has.😐
He's a level four in marvel's stats which is an accredited superhuman level.
Logan's a level 3 (peak human) with adamantium and 2 without. Peak human strength is actually enhanced strength or superhuman strength by human definition (the definition the panel uses). This is because if one is peak human then they can lift more than any human ever could. Logan is peak human, always been and always will be.
Spider-man is a 4.