Originally posted by jinzinEasily one of the beams that spidey replaced supports more than 100 tons. A building itself like the Daily bugle should weight at least 50,000tons. The scan clearly shows Spidey lifting the whole building (or at least half of it). There is no way in hell that Spidey didn't exert more than 100tons when he is directly shown to be under the whole building lifting it.
I don't think those are clear class 100 feats, he's not bracing the entire building by himself, he's holding up part of a buildings support structures. If he picked up something of that size completely off the ground without help from other supports it be far less ambiguous as to how much he's actually holding up.
I totally misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that Wolverine's strength is a 4 or 5. My fault sorry. Well in that case,
Like I said, 4 or 5 is a good start how is that avoiding your question? What good is a handbook stat if it's always proven wrong?
Note: the definition of class 40 means able to press 40tons over one's head under optimal conditions (stress makes lifting optimal).
This was probably before he started doing it. I don't know (as you know Wolverine better than me). But I do remember times where it took Logan a little while to fully heal from some injuries (like more than a day). Also, it was thought back then (by the writers) that Logan wasn't immortal (he never came back from the dead until modern times, I think).
For years even up through the last half decade Wolverine's handbook clearly stated that he couldn't regrow organs. Yet he'd been doing feats of that scale for years upon years.
Handbooks are no more "official" than the comics books that proceed them; the books that they're derived from. A writer writes handbooks as one does a comic. So why would a stat take precedence over what a character proves he or she can do again and again.
Also, many writers many times don't use real science when writing a feat. For example, they can use the reasoning, "If one can lift 800lbs. max then they certainly can lift and throw 800lbs many feet away". Here's another example of their reasoning, "Someone who is a master of martial arts that can swing their limbs fast but slower than the speed of a flying bullet can indeed strike someone who both is fast enough to easily dodge bullets after they are in midflight and has an early warning system against attack. You see how they don't use real science reasoning? They're probably thousands of examples of this. Is it better to go on writer's intention than real science? If you choose writer's intention then I believe the majority of the writers agree on most of the handbook stats.
And I appreciate you not thinking I'm a fanboy. I think I do have a funny way of looking at things. Sometimes I'm shocked even seeing how much my thinking differs with so many others.
Originally posted by h1a8The feat reminds of an art exibit I've seen where hundreds of little army men are holding up a glass panel that acts as a floorboard for people walking over it. Usually a little toy like this would snap to pieces under one foot, nevermind the added weight of the glass or multiple museum goers. But all together they're able to hold up weight that a single piece could not.
Easily one of the beams that spidey replaced supports more than 100 tons. A building itself like the Daily bugle should weight at least 50,000tons. The scan clearly shows Spidey lifting the whole building (or at least half of it). There is no way in hell that Spidey didn't exert more than 100tons when he is directly shown to be under the whole building lifting it.
I think that Spiderman helped to hold up part of a structure enough so that it didn't crumble, but he only helped. I'm not left under the impression that he was holding up the whole thing or even half. I don't think anyone can say with absolute certainty that he supported thefull weight of the beams he replaced; a buildings ability re distribute weight during crisis situations is one of the things that dumbfounds most engineers and helps support most paranoid arguments surrounding 9/11. I don't think that it's a feat clearly indicative of a class 100.
You're welcome to disagree, but it's speculation either way.
Originally posted by h1a8I believe I already said yes to this. I think that in times of extreme duress he's likely to have massive fluxes of strength that reach an excess of 40 tons.. so yes.
I totally misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that Wolverine's strength is a 4 or 5. My fault sorry. Well in that case,
Spidey has more than 5 feats greater than class 40. Would you consider him at least class 40?
Originally posted by h1a8Logan revived himself from a single blood drop in the mid 80's, he healed from a skeleton like molten man during his escape from Weapon X... Though it is true that his HF didn't heal as quickly back then. His HF accelerated to today's standards when his body continued to mutate due to the loss of his adamantium, the only thing stopping his mutation from further growth.
Note: the definition of class 40 means able to press 40tons over one's head [B]under optimal conditions (stress makes lifting optimal).
This was probably before he started doing it. I don't know (as you know Wolverine better than me). But I do remember times where it took Logan a little while to fully heal from some injuries (like more than a day). Also, it was thought back then (by the writers) that Logan wasn't immortal (he never came back from the dead until modern times, I think).[/B]
Now the brood were punturing Logan's insides dating all the way back to the 70's, we're talking BIG BIG wounds.
It'd be absurd for the writers of handbooks to ignore that.. but... they did.
Originally posted by h1a8I again, have to disagree I think that characters are judged by what they've done free of what people think they SHOULD be able to do...
That is a good point. But writers don't know all the time how much stuff weigh when they write the feats. If I didn't have data to how much a dumpster weighs then I would probably say it weighs 600-700 pounds. Trust me, writers wouldn't even consider having Logan pick up a small car and throwing it many feet away with ease.Also, many writers many times don't use real science when writing a feat. For example, they can use the reasoning, "If one can lift 800lbs. max then they certainly can lift and throw 800lbs many feet away". Here's another example of their reasoning, "Someone who is a master of martial arts that can swing their limbs fast but slower than the speed of a flying bullet can indeed strike someone who both is fast enough to easily dodge bullets after they are in midflight and has an early warning system against attack. You see how they don't use real science reasoning? They're probably thousands of examples of this. Is it better to go on writer's intention than real science? If you choose writer's intention then I believe the majority of the writers agree on most of the handbook stats.
And I appreciate you not thinking I'm a fanboy. I think I do have a funny way of looking at things. Sometimes I'm shocked even seeing how much my thinking differs with so many others.
Logan throwing acar may sound absurd but it wouldn't be out of character given what he's done with bricks.