Sasuke- Itachi (Spoiler)

I have no doubt Sakura could do a genjutsu on somebody but we don't really know how good she is at it. She's never shown any skill until Shippuden minus her fight with Ino and a few cool tricks against the sound Ninja but all that was taijutsu also.

neiji wudnt be able to own sasuke/itachi/urochimaru/tsunade/jiraya in taijutsu. he just isnt at that level. and sakura with the whole ground deastroying thing wont even let neiji get near her. and the byaakugen users can see through physical hurdles, so yes, neiji wud be able to see naked people. also, sakura saved herself from the world model by her own reflexes i think, and chiyo noticed that how tsunade had trained her to look for patterns and how sakura had already started dodging on her own after a few attacks by sasori. and kakashi said that she was a genjutsu type.

idduno, i still favor neji over sasuke any day.
gentle fist style is almost like having unlimited raikiris as it can effect organs just as well, plus it uses way less chakra to pull off.and neji might be able to suppress sasuke's chakra.

and jonin level characters are a given, when neji gets older he will be the king of taijutsu.

In a strictly h2h fight and nothing else Neji would beat almost any one maybe with the exceptions of Tobi, Itachi, Rock Lee and Sasuke.

Sakura wouldn't even let Neji get near her? pshaw. It'd work both ways.

Unlike Neji, Sakura doesn't have an ultimate defense. She's not getting past his kaiten or his Byakugan. Neji doesn't lose hand to hand fights.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
neiji wudnt be able to own sasuke/itachi/urochimaru/tsunade/jiraya in taijutsu. he just isnt at that level. and sakura with the whole ground deastroying thing wont even let neiji get near her. and the byaakugen users can see through physical hurdles, so yes, neiji wud be able to see naked people. also, sakura saved herself from the world model by her own reflexes i think, and chiyo noticed that how tsunade had trained her to look for patterns and how sakura had already started dodging on her own after a few attacks by sasori. and kakashi said that she was a genjutsu type.

Sakura wouldn't be able to get near Neji. Plus Neji is a lot faster. Sakura isn't exactly a shining beacon of speed and neither is Tsunade. All Neji needs is a few hits and Sakura's strength is gone which he's got a lot better chance getting than she does.

And yea Kakashi said she's a genjutsu type but all we've ever seen her do is taijutsu, and she's not exactly the shining beacon on that either. The thing she shines in is being a Medical Ninja not a fighter. I'm also confident Neji would beat Tsunade cause her chakra is the only thing she has going for her. She's not the most skilled fighter either.

@Magee - Hasn't Neji beating Lee all the time proven Lee won't be the ones beating Neji in h2h?

^ what sakura excels at (like tsunade) is oneshotting. not many ninja can withstand a glancing blow from her punches, a direct hit would break 95% of shinobi in the world.

sakura needs to hand out with kurinai to get better at genjutsu, i think she is the best at it in konoha.

To bad strength means nothing if you can't actually hit the person though. You would think Tsunade and Sakura having such good chakra control should be able to boost their speed like they do their strength.

you did NOT honestly say that neiji would win in a taijutsu battle against tsunade. she was weilding friggin gamabunta's knife with ease, not to mention, being the sannin she is DEFINATELY much faster.

Strength comes from her using chakra, she's a sloppy h2h fighter, and she's not shown any type of speed whatsoever. Yeah I'd go with the more skilled fighter who takes away the only advantage she has. Both Neji and his uncle should be able to take her. Possibly Hanabi when she gets older. Does that mean they are more powerful? No just more skilled and their fighting style takes away her advantage of strength and summoning and having a larger chakra..

no, neither neiji nor his uncle will EVER be able to take on tsunade. obviously she is fast, seeing as she is a hokage and one of the sannin. and what makes u say she is a sloppy hand to hand fighter? plus her electricity technique. you are also forgetting that she can summon her slug. she is also a superb healer.

Being Sanin nor Hokage doesn't automatically make her fast or skilled just powerful which she is. She wasn't even the choice for Hokage just the only other option they had. Please when has she ever showed any skill in any fight? And to bad all that relies on her chakra which in a few hits from a Hyuuga is gone. And it's not like she could get close enough to hit them with their Kaiten which can also be used as an attack like Neji's uncle showed. I really need to learn his name. I want to say Hisashi or something close..

Obviously she's fast?

Where was this super speed when she was barely managing to keep up with Kabuto?

it does, since a hokage has to be talented and extremely powerful overall. otherwise they wudnt be chosen for the post. she wasnt the choice for hokage because no1 knew where she was. and jiraya himself said that she wud be a better hokage. also remember that the only one other than the 4 tails who has harmed jjiraya that seriously{other than pain ofcourse} is tsunade. she has shown skill in her fight against uro even though she had her fear of blood then. she doesnt need to get close enough. chances are that she DOES know a lot of jutsus which she hasnt shown yet. plus her electricity technique. also, im thinking that punches which can destroy the walls of castles and strength that can easily weild gamabunta's knife does have a chance of creaking even the kaiten. plus her summoning jutsu. really, saying that neiji even has a chance against tsunade is stupid.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it does, since a hokage has to be talented and extremely powerful overall. otherwise they wudnt be chosen for the post. she wasnt the choice for hokage because no1 knew where she was. and jiraya himself said that she wud be a better hokage. also remember that the only one other than the 4 tails who has harmed jjiraya that seriously{other than pain ofcourse} is tsunade. she has shown skill in her fight against uro even though she had her fear of blood then. she doesnt need to get close enough. chances are that she DOES know a lot of jutsus which she hasnt shown yet. plus her electricity technique. also, im thinking that punches which can destroy the walls of castles and strength that can easily weild gamabunta's knife does have a chance of creaking even the kaiten. plus her summoning jutsu. really, saying that neiji even has a chance against tsunade is stupid.

And Tsunade has super strength and Jiraiya isn't going to fight her anyway. And she didn't show any skill at all when Kabuto and weakened Orochimaru was dodging her attacks like nothing. She caught him and then wrecked him but he had to catch her first.

Any proof that Kaiten can be cracked? And how is she going to use that super strength or summon when she's not able to use chakra?

proof? what happened when neiji used kaiten with his kunai against kyuuubi chakra naruto? both blew up and kaiten was finished.

you are merely restating what YOU think will happen. in reality neiji wudnt have a chance. and to say that tsunade, who is a hokage and one of the sennin is slower than neiji is frankly ridiculous. neiji cudnt even do much to kisame CLONE. what makes u think he stands a chance against tsunade? you have completely misjudged.

What makes us think that.. ?

Well for me at least, it's the fact that Kabuto and a severely crippled Orichimaru were able to dodge her punches and hits with out much difficulty. Kabuto even managed to land a couple of hits on her himself. If punk ass Kabuto and a cripple could do that, Neji should have no problem. The difference is that Neji only needs to hit her once and she's down for the count where as Kabuto had to hit her multiple times to wound her.

And besides Neji wasn't using his kaiten against Naruto, he was just channeling chakra though his pores. The Kaiten is the heavenly spinning palms. If he had used Kaiten he would have just blown Naruto away like he did the first time.

We've never seen anything penetrate the actual spinning palms jutsu, and Naruto didn't even penetrate the chakra shield around his skin either. They both just overloaded and made a massive explosion, that's not an actual penetration. And even if he did, the chakra that Naruto was pumping out was probably five times Tsunade's total chakra anyway thanks to the Kyuubi. Tsunade doesn't have the luxury of a massive amount of chakra that she can use to over come Neji's defense, and we have never seen pure brute force penetrate it either.

"Couldn't even ebat a Kisame clone"

Okay. So? Have we seen Tsuande canonically beat anyone? She couldn't beat Kabuto, Naruto did it for her, and she couldn't beat Orichimaru. That's her track record so far. Neji's had his share of defeats but at least he has a victory or two under his belt whereas all we get from Tsunade is her freaking out from blood, and getting man-handled by Kabuto.

Your entire argument is "Well she's Hokage so she's automatically strong enough to beat him." which is flawed because her actual feats and what we've seen her do point to Neji as of time-skip being superior. Neji's been shown to have great reflexes, attacking speed, and moving speed as well as his Byakugan which disables her from getting the drop on him and his fighting style which could end the whole fight in one soft tap.

untrue. she did the damage equivalent to 4 tails to jiraya. she was also afraid of blood when fighting urochimaru{you keep forgetting}. while urochimaru is very capable of fighting without his hands as his special jutsus very much make up. he was also using the kusanagi against her plus manda, who was shown to be stronger than the slud or gamabunta. kabuto is stronger than neiji, he was as strong as kakashi as urochimaruo commented. and when she did get over her blood fear, she beat uro and kabuto. neiji had a hard time winning against the cursed seal spider dude. and he was completely hopeless against kisame close. do you really think tsunade wud be so hopeless in those places. do you really think tsunade wud lose to kyuubi chakra naruto.

and neiji WAS using the kaiten against naruto, kaiten is not the heavenly spinning arm. it is hattekyo kaiten, i think, which is divination whirlwind. neiji releases a hude amount of chakra from his pores and then spins to parry any attack. that is itc explanation as given. and that is what he was doing against naruto. and he lost. kyuubi chakra naruto isnt a comparison to tsunade. he was beat even when sasuke just activated his third sharingan. please dont talk senselessly. she is HOKAGE{i.e. STRONGEST IN KONOHA} for a reason.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you did NOT honestly say that neiji would win in a taijutsu battle against tsunade. she was weilding friggin gamabunta's knife with ease, not to mention, being the sannin she is DEFINATELY much faster.

I had almost forgotten about that. Man...that was another "WTF!!!" moment for me. I laughed out load when I saw/read that one too. It was awesome.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
untrue. she did the damage equivalent to 4 tails to jiraya. she was also afraid of blood when fighting urochimaru{you keep forgetting}. while urochimaru is very capable of fighting without his hands as his special jutsus very much make up. he was also using the kusanagi against her plus manda, who was shown to be stronger than the slud or gamabunta. kabuto is stronger than neiji, he was as strong as kakashi as urochimaruo commented. and when she did get over her blood fear, she beat uro and kabuto. neiji had a hard time winning against the cursed seal spider dude. and he was completely hopeless against kisame close. do you really think tsunade wud be so hopeless in those places. do you really think tsunade wud lose to kyuubi chakra naruto.

and neiji WAS using the kaiten against naruto, kaiten is not the heavenly spinning arm. it is hattekyo kaiten, i think, which is divination whirlwind. neiji releases a hude amount of chakra from his pores and then spins to parry any attack. that is itc explanation as given. and that is what he was doing against naruto. and he lost. kyuubi chakra naruto isnt a comparison to tsunade. he was beat even when sasuke just activated his third sharingan. please dont talk senselessly. she is HOKAGE{i.e. STRONGEST IN KONOHA} for a reason.

Kabuto may be stronger but he's still not as skilled a fighter nor does he have anything that stops Tsunade from using her strength and healing herself. Neji does.

Kabuto was out before she got over the fear of blood. Who beat him? Naruto. Orochimaru got his tounge caught then got a beat down after she could catch him because he kept dodging her. She was in a fight with a weakened Orochimaru, and a drugged Jiraiya and she still didn't come out looking superior to either.

Kidomaru had a special armor that stopped his attacks from shutting of his chakra, and could fight without getting close to him. Tsunade doesn't have the long distance fighting to her advantage.

30% Kisame clone had more power than Kyuubi Naruto. Gai even had to open the gates to beat him. Loosing to Kisame isn't a big deal. Tsunade isn't going to be beating Kisame or Itachi if they fought so.

Neji won the battle between Naruto's shuriken and his Kaiten. Big explosion and he's fine. Naruto had to cheap shot him to win because he couldn't get passed Kaiten. Kaiten disappears after it's done it doesn't stay there.

Naruto only was being beaten by Sasuke because Sasuke knew what he was doing before it happened. What does Sasuke have to do with anything anyways? And Tsunade having a lot of chakra doesn't make her win everything. Nor does being Sanin or Hokage. Not when Neji or any Hyuuga with skill, which is why I haven't said Hinata, has the technique that stops all her power. Tsunade hasn't even shown to be that skilled in fighting. If she catches what she wants to hit she's going to wreck it sure...But she has to actually catch it. And against Neji her strength will be gone as will her chakra.