Who is the most impressive hero from Marvel/DC that Rhino can beat?

Im going to say it like this and I hope that I dont get banned from the site badabing. Papa Smurph makes a good point, I dont agree with rhino beating wonderwoman but I do think that he can tag her and not once either, a lot of times. He is telling the truth because this was stated out of wonderwomans own mouth when she was fighting a flash that was affected by a virus (forgot the comic name.), she stated that she is fast but she dont even come close to have enough combat speed to keep up with the flash.

Theres no on panel proof that shows wonderwoman fighting at light speed, hell there isnt any comic that states that superman was or is fighting at light speed. Yes they have great flight speed from some of the comics that I have seen but who doesnt, vulcan flew across and entire universe in less then a week, rogue after being punched to the moon by binary flew back to the x mansion in seconds, Ironman flew from earth to the sun in like 2 panels but does that state that they can fight at quicksilver speed or greater, no. Flight speed dont equal combat speed and thats what people on here fail to realize. Every combat speed feat that you have for wonderwoman, I can find a scan similar from even spiderman.

A true fact, wonderwoman has been tagged by characters in rhino league, true fact wonderwoman have been overpowered by people in rhinos league (even though I KNOW she can take him 10/10) but if you think about it Papa Smurph is making a good point that you all are ignoring. There is no on panel proof that wonderwoman can walk over people in rhinos league and theres no on panel proof that she have anywhere near quicksilver combat speed, especially moving at light speed during combat. What a lot of people on the forum is doing is basically ignoring things that happen in comics and add on to a characters ability on things that they have never done. If we are doing that then basically all of the characters on here is indestructible. Hell wolverine is my favorite character, if I want to do the things that is done on the forum to him, hes basically unstoppable. Took a nuke to the chest, survive being accinerated down to the bone. Jumped out of a tank of lova and walked out of a warehouse. Took punches from an enraged hulk, fought someone that moves at the speed of sound and tagged him but we all know that wolverine isnt indestructible.

Im just going to say it like this, if you think that your character can do such things, provide proof.

Why don't you provide proof that he can tag her?

And well you're at it... why don't you also provide proof of WW being overpowered by people in Rhino's league.

damn...I feel kinda bad my thread got someone banned.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
damn...I feel kinda bad my thread got someone banned.

Stacks is/was a douche.

Not stacking up to Flash's combat speed isn't much of an indicator of speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Im going to say it like this and I hope that I dont get banned from the site badabing. Papa Smurph makes a good point, I dont agree with rhino beating wonderwoman but I do think that he can tag her and not once either, a lot of times. He is telling the truth because this was stated out of wonderwomans own mouth when she was fighting a flash that was affected by a virus (forgot the comic name.), she stated that she is fast but she dont even come close to have enough combat speed to keep up with the flash.

Theres no on panel proof that shows wonderwoman fighting at light speed, hell there isnt any comic that states that superman was or is fighting at light speed. Yes they have great flight speed from some of the comics that I have seen but who doesnt, vulcan flew across and entire universe in less then a week, rogue after being punched to the moon by binary flew back to the x mansion in seconds, Ironman flew from earth to the sun in like 2 panels but does that state that they can fight at quicksilver speed or greater, no. Flight speed dont equal combat speed and thats what people on here fail to realize. Every combat speed feat that you have for wonderwoman, I can find a scan similar from even spiderman.

A true fact, wonderwoman has been tagged by characters in rhino league, true fact wonderwoman have been overpowered by people in rhinos league (even though I KNOW she can take him 10/10) but if you think about it Papa Smurph is making a good point that you all are ignoring. There is no on panel proof that wonderwoman can walk over people in rhinos league and theres no on panel proof that she have anywhere near quicksilver combat speed, especially moving at light speed during combat. What a lot of people on the forum is doing is basically ignoring things that happen in comics and add on to a characters ability on things that they have never done. If we are doing that then basically all of the characters on here is indestructible. Hell wolverine is my favorite character, if I want to do the things that is done on the forum to him, hes basically unstoppable. Took a nuke to the chest, survive being accinerated down to the bone. Jumped out of a tank of lova and walked out of a warehouse. Took punches from an enraged hulk, fought someone that moves at the speed of sound and tagged him but we all know that wolverine isnt indestructible.

Im just going to say it like this, if you think that your character can do such things, provide proof.

Anyway, this isn't about Wonder Woman tagging Flash or anybody else. It's about the fact that she is too versatile for Rhino. She can fly, has superior skills and has a much higher speed set than Rhino. She has the speed of Hermes. She's deflected automatic weapons fire with her bracelets. She doesn't even need to touch Rhino to win. Magic lasso 10/10.

You have to remember that on KMC both combatants are fighting to the best of their abilities. PIS is off but CIS is on. That doesn't bode well for Rhino. Diana at the top of her game doesn't get touched by Rhino.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
damn...I feel kinda bad my thread got someone banned.

Originally posted by carver9
Im going to say it like this and I hope that I dont get banned from the site badabing.

Opinions don't get people banned. Attitudes and douchebaggery do.

what prove do you need WW can lift over a million tons while rhino max is 80-85 tons. Prove WW is seen holding paradise island so hercules can rest. WW is faster than rhino by a lot and she fight using both skills and powers in JLA classified while blinded she defeated the flash by using her relfexes and predicating his moves. She have traded punches with and stalemated hercules,superman, and captain marvel who are all above rhino league. what more prove do you need.
Here is a question for you can rhino beat of stalemate hercules,superman, or captain marvel???????

Originally posted by carver9
He is telling the truth because this was stated out of wonderwomans own mouth when she was fighting a flash that was affected by a virus (forgot the comic name.), she stated that she is fast but she dont even come close to have enough combat speed to keep up with the flash.

She said the Flash was a blur when compared to herself. How does that indicate that she’s somehow slow? It just means that the Flash is far faster than Wonder Woman. That doesn’t mean that Wonder Woman doesn’t possess combat speed, it just means that Flash has superior combat speed. Wally has had fights that last less than a second, hell, there’s even a fight that only last a picosecond.

Originally posted by carver9
Theres no on panel proof that shows wonderwoman fighting at light speed, hell there isnt any comic that states that superman was or is fighting at light speed.

Yeah, somehow even though they went to the Sun, and then got back to Earth, while fighting, in less time that it takes for light to travel from the Sun to the Earth, they were still moving slower than light. That’s some great logic right there. They did in two minutes what it takes light 8 minutes, and somehow they were still moving slower than light.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes they have great flight speed from some of the comics that I have seen but who doesnt.

Aquaman
Tempest
Ravager
Kid Devil
Blue Devil
Ragman
Spider-Man
Venom
Punisher
Mettalo
Toyman
Robin
Etc

Originally posted by carver9
vulcan flew across and entire universe in less then a week

It said that it took him at least a week, and he didn’t fly across the entire Universe. He flew to a nearby Galaxy. Stop exaggerating.

Originally posted by carver9
rogue after being punched to the moon by binary flew back to the x mansion in seconds[/B]

Which isn’t all that fast when compared to characters such as Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.

Originally posted by carver9 Ironman flew from earth to the sun in like 2 panels

The time taken was never stated.

Originally posted by carver9
but does that state that they can fight at quicksilver speed or greater, no.

Because they’ve been shown actually using their speed during combat? Unlike characters such as Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Gladiator, Black Adam, etc.

And at what speeds does Quicksilver fight at? Faster than sound ,right? How much faster? If Quicksilver fights at 20 times the speed of sound, and Wonder Woman fights at 10 times the speed of sound, it doesn’t mean she doesn’t possess any combat super-speed, it just means Wonder Woman inferior combat-speed.

Originally posted by carver9 Flight speed dont equal combat speed and thats what people on here fail to realize.

Yet those characters can still react and maneuver at the speeds that they’re flying at. Otherwise they’d be crashing into things while flying, since they wouldn’t be able to react to anything and move out of the way, while moving at such high-speeds.

Originally posted by carver9
Every combat speed feat that you have for wonderwoman, I can find a scan similar from even spiderman.

Because it’s stated at what speeds Spider-Man is fighting at? Or because more after-images somehow indicates that Spider-Man is fighting at the speed, or a greater speed than Wonder Woman?

Originally posted by carver9
A true fact, wonderwoman has been tagged by characters in rhino league,

Provide proof. And I don't mean just scans you found in respect threads. Give me issue numbers, or at the very least tell me why that character is in the same league as Rhino.

Originally posted by carver9
true fact wonderwoman have been overpowered by people in rhinos

Proof? And don't post scans out of context.

Originally posted by carver9
theres no on panel proof that she have anywhere near quicksilver combat speed, especially moving at light speed during combat.

Yes, as you’ve already explained, reaching a destination in shorter that it takes light to make the same trip, while fighting, doesn’t mean that she and Superman were moving faster than light. Clearly you are above concepts such as logic.

Originally posted by carver9
What a lot of people on the forum is doing is basically ignoring things that happen in comics and add on to a characters ability on things that they have never done.

Not as bad as you making shit up. Remember all the bullshit you’ve posted? Like the time you said that Superman was hit by a ship, in the same comic that featured Repulse blinding him? Or that time you said Batman stalemated Superman during the Torment act, in Superman/Batman? Or how about that time you said Superman couldn’t survive a Nuke, despite scans been posted of Superman surviving a million Nukes?

Originally posted by carver9
If we are doing that then basically all of the characters on here is indestructible.

Bullshit. Superman still loses fights on KMC, so does Wonder Woman, so does Flash, so does Martian Manhunter, so does Silver Surfer, so does Black Adam, so does Black Bolt, etc.

Originally posted by carver9
Hell wolverine is my favorite character, if I want to do the things that is done on the forum to him, hes basically unstoppable. Took a nuke to the chest, survive being accinerated down to the bone. Jumped out of a tank of lova and walked out of a warehouse. Took punches from an enraged hulk, fought someone that moves at the speed of sound and tagged him but we all know that wolverine isnt indestructible.

How would that make him unstoppable? There are characters with far greater feats. How are any of those Wolverine feats supposed to make him indestructible? The Living Turbinal can’t destroy Wolverine because he Nuke to the chest? The Presence can’t defeat Wolverine because he took punches from The Hulk? Goddamn it, for once, just try to make some sense instead of just babbling on and on.

Originally posted by carver9
Im just going to say it like this, if you think that your character can do such things, provide proof.

People do provide proof. You just choose to ignore it, more often that not.

Originally posted by Badabing
Listen, Stacks opinion wasn't what got him banned. It was his posting habits and general attitude. I can't speak for any of the other mods but I personally PMed him when he first started and tried to explain why he was getting warned. He would listen for a while and then fall back to his old self.

Anyway, this isn't about Wonder Woman tagging Flash or anybody else. It's about the fact that she is too versatile for Rhino. She can fly, has superior skills and has a much higher speed set than Rhino. She has the speed of Hermes. She's deflected automatic weapons fire with her bracelets. She doesn't even need to touch Rhino to win. Magic lasso 10/10.

You have to remember that on KMC both combatants are fighting to the best of their abilities. PIS is off but CIS is on. That doesn't bode well for Rhino. Diana at the top of her game doesn't get touched by Rhino.
He's had plenty of chances but refused change. You did nothing.

LOL wow...

I think it sucks Stacks got banned from this. Think about this for a second. My personal opinion is that Current Wonderwoman takes this 10/10 easily. But her previous versions would not have it so easy. So which version are we talking about?

Also it seems his opinion was simply that its POSSIBLE that Rhino had a very low 10% chance of a victory under given circumstances. If he feels that way, let him have his opinion, or prove him why its completely 100% impossible (Not improbable), which is nearly impossible to do in the comic world....where even such powerful characters like Blackbolt and DS job so often. Even she jobbed to Storm before.

It sounded to me that he clearly stated that Rhino has nailed characters such as Quicksilver, and under his strength nailed stronger characters such as Hulk.

Instead I see pages of people mocking him and getting angry.

I also wouldnt consider him a troll giving him a low 10% possibility victory. If you think about it, he clearly stated that although Wonderwoman would take the majority of any battles....it just was not impossible for Rhino to take one (out of 10 odds).

Seems more than a few people here get offended and take this stuff too seriously.

If you feel that its truly IMPOSSIBLE for one character to ever beat another, just state it and move on... Why so much bashing....Try not to take offense so easily If someone doesnt agree with you over these interesting and cool, but FICTIONAL and IMAGINARY scenarios involving comic book characters....in worlds where really any circumstances may take place, at any given moment.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
LOL wow...

I think it sucks Stacks got banned from this. Think about this for a second. My personal opinion is that Current Wonderwoman takes this 10/10 easily. But her previous versions would not have it so easy. So which version are we talking about?

Also it seems his opinion was simply that its POSSIBLE that Rhino had a very low 10% chance of a victory under given circumstances. If he feels that way, let him have his opinion, or prove him why its completely impossible (Not improbable). I don't think its possible to prove him wrong there. Especially in the comic world....where even such powerful characters like Blackbolt and DS job so often. Even she jobbed to Storm before.

It sounded to me that he clearly stated that Rhino has nailed characters such as Quicksilver, and under his strength nailed stronger characters such as Hulk.

Instead I see pages of people mocking him and getting angry.

I also wouldnt consider him a troll giving him a low 10% possibility victory. If you think about it, he clearly stated that although Wonderwoman would take the majority of any battles....it just was not impossible for Rhino to take one (out of 10 odds).

Seems more than a few people here get offended and take this stuff too seriously.

If you feel that its truly IMPOSSIBLE for one character to ever beat another, just state it and move on... Why so much bashing....Try not to take offense so easily If someone doesnt agree with you over these interesting and cool, but FICTIONAL and IMAGINARY scenarios involving comic book characters....in worlds where really any circumstances may take place, at any given moment.

You're absolutely 100% right.

But you're discussing the wrong thing.

I reiterate; it wasn't Stacks' opinion that got him banned. It was his attitude and douchebaggery. Not to mention the fact that he just came back from a ban; first thing he did? Flame and attack moderators.

It's not really a great way to start off a return.

I’m sorry, but I really feel the need to interject here in this thread. Now, I realize that someone who thinks the Rhino could take even ONE victory out of ten against Diana isn’t even worth giving the time of day to, but I think this needs to be said in order for the stupidity to end. Honestly, Stacks’ reasoning appears to be given the same amount of thought to it as someone who thought it was a good idea to see Meet the Spartans.

Now, I’m going to take a page out of Stacks’ book and ask this question: who has Rhino beaten that is even in Wonder Woman’s league? Granted, I suppose his greatest feat to date was his showing against Grey Hulk. But here’s the kicker, when he fought the Hulk, the Leader’s mind was actually in Rhino’s body, thus making that feat worthless. It’s nowhere NEAR the justification you would need to even suggest that Rhino is capable of garnering one victory out of ten against Wonder Woman. Also, as Soljer stated earlier, it’s absolutely inane to suggest that Rhino is a Hulk-level threat physically. Especially considering Hulk has a dynamic strength level, which can be portrayed any which way depending on the version of him and his anger level. It’s not as if he’s stagnant in his levels; at base he’s no more than 80 tons in terms of strength… far below Wonder Woman.

It’s not as if Hulk hasn’t traded blows with weaker opponents before: Doc Samson, Thing, Colossus, Sasquatch, etc. Hell, he’s even been beaten by the likes of Captain America and Spider-man. Are you going to try and tell me that Spider-man, Captain America, and Doc Samson can give Wonder Woman some trouble? 😬

I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say that Rhino has probably the worst record in comic book history. Outside of the instance where Leader took control of Rhino’s mind, a few showings where he got the better of Spider-man, and his beating of Scorpion, I can’t think of a SINGLE instance where Rhino has won. Most, if not, all of those people I mentioned in the above paragraph have defeated Rhino… and easily. Now let’s take a look at some of the feats Diana has under her belt, shall we?

Strength: Diana has punched a White Martian across the ocean, she’s beaten a Daxamite, her shots have staggered Superman, and she’s lifted a falling meteorite the size of a mountain.

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlatitans3wwasteroid1oi.jpg

Durability: Wonder Woman took a punch from Zoom which sent her across the United States and continued the battle, and she’s also taken a punch from Superman from the sun to the Earth and was still able to get up and continue to fight.

Speed/Reflexes: Diana easily blocks machine gun fire, she was able to lasso Flash when he didn’t have the ability to “slow down,” she’s blocked the Omega Beams, and she’s gone light speed in a circle around Surtur when they needed him to collapse into a black hole in JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice.

At this point, you’re probably saying to yourself “this is nothing but ‘teh DC fanboy drivel,’” but you’re just too much of a goddamn hater to realize it’s the truth. When Rhino stops being a punching bag for Spider-man, let me know. Until then, you don’t have a leg to stand on in this debate.

Edit: Dammit… now I won’t get a chance to hear Stacks respond. 🙁

Originally posted by Soljer
You're absolutely 100% right.

But you're discussing the wrong thing.

I reiterate; it wasn't Stacks' opinion that got him banned. It was his attitude and douchebaggery. Not to mention the fact that he [b]just came back from a ban; first thing he did? Flame and attack moderators.

It's not really a great way to start off a return. [/B]

How would you not expect him to when people insult him for having his opinion? Did he insult anyone?

Originally posted by horrorwolf
How would you not expect him to when people insult him for having his opinion? Did he insult anyone?

According to your profile, you've been here for nearly two years.

And you're seriously asking the question "Did Joey Stacks insult anyone?"

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Originally posted by batdude123
I’m sorry, but I really feel the need to interject here in this thread. Now, I realize that someone who thinks the Rhino could take even ONE victory out of ten against Diana isn’t even worth giving the time of day to, but I think this needs to be said in order for the stupidity to end. Honestly, Stacks’ reasoning appears to be given the same amount of thought to it as someone who thought it was a good idea to see Meet the Spartans.

Now, I’m going to take a page out of Stacks’ book and ask this question: who has Rhino beaten that is even in Wonder Woman’s league? Granted, I suppose his greatest feat to date was his showing against Grey Hulk. But here’s the kicker, when he fought the Hulk, the Leader’s mind was actually in Rhino’s body, thus making that feat worthless. It’s nowhere NEAR the justification you would need to even suggest that Rhino is capable of garnering one victory out of ten against Wonder Woman. Also, as Soljer stated earlier, it’s absolutely inane to suggest that Rhino is a Hulk-level threat physically. Especially considering Hulk has a dynamic strength level, which can be portrayed any which way depending on the version of him and his anger level. It’s not as if he’s stagnant in his levels; at base he’s no more than 80 tons in terms of strength… far below Wonder Woman.

It’s not as if Hulk hasn’t traded blows with weaker opponents before: Doc Samson, Thing, Colossus, Sasquatch, etc. Hell, he’s even been beaten by the likes of Captain America and Spider-man. Are you going to try and tell me that Spider-man, Captain America, and Doc Samson can give Wonder Woman some trouble? 😬

I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say that Rhino has probably the worst record in comic book history. Outside of the instance where Leader took control of Rhino’s mind, a few showings where he got the better of Spider-man, and his beating of Scorpion, I can’t think of a SINGLE instance where Rhino has won. Most, if not, all of those people I mentioned in the above paragraph have defeated Rhino… and easily. Now let’s take a look at some of the feats Diana has under her belt, shall we?

Strength: Diana has punched a White Martian across the ocean, she’s beaten a Daxamite, her shots have staggered Superman, and she’s lifted a falling meteorite the size of a mountain.

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jlatitans3wwasteroid1oi.jpg

Durability: Wonder Woman took a punch from Zoom which sent her across the United States and continued the battle, and she’s also taken a punch from Superman from the sun to the Earth and was still able to get up and continue to fight.

Speed/Reflexes: Diana easily blocks machinegun fire, she was able to lasso Flash when he didn’t have the ability to “slow down,” she’s blocked the Omega Beams, and she’s gone light speed in a circle around Surtur when they needed him to collapse into a black hole in JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice.

At this point, you’re probably saying to yourself “this is nothing but ‘teh DC fanboy drivel,’” but you’re just too much of a goddamn hater to realize it’s the truth. When Rhino stops being a punching bag for Spider-man, let me know. Until then, you don’t have a leg to stand on in this debate.

Edit: Dammit… now I won’t get a chance to hear Stacks respond. 🙁

Even so, there is no way possible to prove than any character can't take a minor victory in a hypothetically-based imaginary battle.

1. He stated that Wonderwoman took the majority, which is correct.
2. He felt there is no way to prove that its impossible for her to lose to Rhino which is true.

Originally posted by Soljer
According to your profile, you've been here for nearly two years.

And you're seriously asking the question "Did Joey Stacks insult anyone?"

...

I have, and I repeat...Did he insult anyone in this thread?...I certainly have pages and pages of people bashing and insulting him though.

Thats why my point was to simply close the thread....or make your points and move on. Stop getting offended. Who really cares if he thinks Rhino has a 1/10 chance of a victory anyway.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Even so, there is no way possible to prove than any character can't take a minor victory in a hypothetically-based imaginary battle.

1. He stated that Wonderwoman took the majority, which is correct.
2. He felt there is no way to prove that its impossible for her to lose to Rhino which is true.

No, he stated repeatedly that Rhino would take 1/10. Ten percent.

While it is impossible to prove that Rhino could never beat Diana; it is plainly obvious to any but the most dense that he'd never come anywhere near ten percent.

Originally posted by Soljer
No, he stated repeatedly that Rhino would take 1/10. Ten percent.

While it is impossible to prove that Rhino could [b]never beat Diana; it is plainly obvious to any but the most dense that he'd never come anywhere near ten percent. [/B]

To some maybe, but we are dealing with multiple versions of characters, and which one was never stated. The non-wonderwoman of Rhino's time clearly would allow a greater chance of victory than her current version.

Not only that but its imaginary scenarios that tries to use high and low showings to average out chances of victory. This only leaves a large margin of error....especially in comics where character job at a moments notice.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
To some maybe, but we are dealing with multiple versions of characters, and which one was never stated. The non-wonderwoman of Rhino's time clearly would allow a greater chance of victory than her current version.

I reiterate; you've been here for two years.

You should know as well as anyone else; unless otherwise specified, we are to assume current versions.

Originally posted by Soljer
I reiterate; you've been here for two years.

You should know as well as anyone else; unless otherwise specified, we are to assume current versions.

Actually how long I've been here is for all intents and purposes is irrelevant, as the point that I'm making would remain the same.

And even if it is Current WW....its sounded like its still his opinion that 1, due to her combat speed being less than Quicksilvers, and 2, WW possessing a weakness to piercing...that its not impossible for Rhino to take a win. And specifically that those two opening allow a 1/10 chance for a Rhino win.

If he gives her a 9/10 majority there's still no need to get angry and insult him over it.