Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosYou're very ignorant . . .
Yep I must be truly ignorant, for comic book battles are never decided based on popularity and comic book villains absolutely do NOT job to heroes. Never EVER.
So whenever Punisher smacks around Tiger Shark while in water or Luke Cage kicks the Wrecker's ass or Spiderman pwnz Firelord or WWH punks Sentry or Batman teaches Darkseid who's boss those are all legitimate fights, did I got it right this time or not?
Originally posted by batdude123
Not really.Especially when it happens damn near every single comic he's in. That's when it ceases to be PIS. 🙂
Well, Batman beats up guys like Superman, Lobo and Darkseid on a regular basis, does this make him above top-tier then according to your logic?
Originally posted by carver9
when diana was fighting flash, who said that he was moving at light speed. when diana was fighting flash, who said that he was moving at light speed, hell was it even stated that he was moving anywhere near the speed of sound.
Not me. I never stated at what exact speed the Flash was moving in that particular comic. However it was shown that Wally couldn’t slow down once he was infected by that virus, and he was shown moving fast enough to light the air on fire.
Originally posted by carver9
If you have read a comic of flash, you would know how hard it is for him to reach the speed of light (without using his other amazing powers like the speed force.).
If I have ever read a Flash comic? I made the freaking Wally West respect thread. And Wally doesn’t have a hard time reaching light-speed, not anymore. That was during his early years, because he was operating at 100%. Ever since Barry died, Wally had subconsciously kept himself from ever operating at a higher level than Barry. Flash can access the Speed Force any time he wishes, it’s how he’s accesses his powers. He’s always been tapping into the Speed Force, every member of the Flash family does the same. Wally just happens to have a better connection with the Speed Force. Without tapping into the Speed Force, Wally would be powerless. I think it’s clear that you very misinformed when it comes to the Flash, since it’s been made very clear that Wally gains all of his abilities from The Speed Force. He doesn’t have a hard time reaching the speed of light, not anymore. He’s been shown moving at the speed of light, or faster.
Originally posted by carver9
Everyone seem to love that fight with wonderwoman and superman fighting and use the good parts out of the fight but when it is used against superman it is stated as pis.
What? The entire fight wasn’t PIS, only some moments from the fight. Such as Superman not hearing Diana, when on other occasions he’s been shown to hear the goddamn atoms in the air. Diana sneaking up on Superman was PIS, but that’s about it. Some people say it’s PIS that Wonder Woman was putting up such a good fight, but in my opinion it was just a good showing for her.
Originally posted by carver9
Back on topic. Again, was it stated how long it took wonderwoman and superman to fly from the sun, to the moon.
Yes, actually it was. And it was from the Earth to the Sun, and then back to the Earth. Taking two minutes to reach the moon is well below light-speed.
Originally posted by carver9
You seem to say seconds but where in the comic did it state that it was even minutes or hours. They were even doing an entire fighting scene on the way there. When superman got to earth, diana was sitting there for a while, he didnt get there instantly, she said an entire sentence in her head and she even passed out through all of this and then he appeared.
Max Lord was timing the entire fight. He said the fight lasted one minute and fifty-four seconds. Obviously characters such as Superman and Wonder Woman can think at much faster rates than normal humans. In Superman’s case it was actually mentioned in OYL story. Of course Superman didn’t get from the Earth to the Sun instantly, he can move faster than light, not teleport. When Superman go to Earth, Wonder Woman was lying there, conscious. And she only passed out for an instant, and that was just after Superman had punched her. She had regained consciousness before he even reached Earth.
Originally posted by carver9
That feat isnt any greater then what Ironman has done numerous of times and he still dont possess enough combat speed to circle around rhino.
Show me Iron Man reaching a location in less time than it takes for light to reach the same location. And make sure that Iron Man is involved in a fight while doing so. You don’t even have to post scans. Just give me an issue number.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not even going to answer to the heros/villians that you post. Theres more then enough heros and villians that have crossed the universe but gets overwhelmed by street levelers.
Provide some examples. Name me some characters that have crossed the entire Universe, but have been owned by street-levelers, Give me names, and then tell me how and when it happened.
Originally posted by carver9
guess you dont know where the shiar headquater is huh. Lets put it like this its much further then the sun.
What the hell? I already said that it was in another Galaxy. So of course I know that’s it way past our Son, it’s light-years past Earth.
Originally posted by carver9
Which isnt all that fast compared to superman and wonderwoman huh. Vulcan feat>>>>>>>>anything wonderwoman has done in distance and flight but I still think that wonderwoman maneuvers a lot better then he does and could also get the 1st, 2nd, and possibly 3rd attack in.
Wonder Woman has her fight with Superman as a speed feat, and her keeping up with Jesse Quick while Jesse was about to enter the Speed Force. Vulcan’s feat is probably
very well above Wonder Woman’s fight with Superman, in terms of pure speed, however we determine exactly how much faster than light he was moving. It took him at least seven days, and that’s all we know. In the same way, we don’t at what speeds Jesse was moving at, when he reached the entrance of the Speed Force. And Superman trumps Vulcan’s best FTL feat. In IC, Superman flew to another Galaxy, the entire time taken was never given, but it was less than a day, that’s for sure.
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, if quicksilver and flash have been shown using there speed during combat but superman and wonderwoman havent, why are you saying that they possess combat speed.
Superman and Wonder Woman have utilized their speed during combat. Wonder Woman possibly uses it more often that Superman, although Superman’s is greater.
Originally posted by carver9
I know this, if superman and wonderwoman combat speed is so great, when is it ever going to change with them getting overwhelmed by brutes.
They don’t always use their speed during their combat, but they have shown the ability to do so. However, you simply dismiss all the showings where these characters have shown combat speed. Somehow, you can determine at what speeds these characters are moving at, even though the speed is never stated. It’s just shown that they’re fighting fast. Superman has been show fighting fast enough that he appears invisible, moving faster than sound, moving faster than his heat vision, etc. To say that he doesn’t posses combat speed is just being ignorant.
Originally posted by carver9
Quicksilver and flash run circles around brutes, superman and wonderwoman have a lot of trouble with brutes, see the difference. .
Even Flash has been shown to be tagged by opponents who aren’t all that fast. These things happen in comic books. Characters aren’t always operating at maximum efficiency. Now, you provide me with some issues where I can seen Superman and Wonder Woman getting overwhelmed by brutes. Don’t just post the scans. I want to actually read the comics, because context is very important.
Originally posted by carver9
ts not hard for comic drawers to draw superman and wonderwoman moving at tremendous speed during combat, look at speed demon, they draw it for him. Again, flight speed dont equal combat speed.
The artist’s style doesn’t indicate at exactly what speed characters are moving at. Speed lines and after images do indicate what exact speed characters are moving at. It simply means that the character is moving fast, we don’t how fast unless there’s more to go on, like how long the fight lasted, or if the speed is directly stated.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me proof that wonderwoman is superior then quicksilver in combat speed. Trust me you wont find any.
Her fight with Superman. You know, the one in which they moving faster than light.
Originally posted by carver9
Now that was the most weirdest post that I have read. When they are flying in space, flying fast, maneuvering around things in space gives them great reflexes.
Bullshit. Peoples reflexes don’t just get an amp because they’re in space. Characters can react at those speeds because they have the ability to do so, not because they happen to be in space.
Originally posted by carver9
ITS A COMIC.
And what’s your point? That everything can move and react faster than light if it’s in space? Do you have any proof of that? I mean actual proof, not some bullshit like ‘Character A can move faster than light is space, so that means everything is space can move faster than light’. I want some actual proof.
Originally posted by carver9
Jonny storm was given the power cosmic, in less then two minutes he was flying through the universe at great speed, getting place to place. Are you telling me that he got use to light speed and light reflexes that fast or is it just a comic book and things like that happens in a COMIC.
Obviously he could move faster than light when Galactus gave him the Power Cosmic. It’s not something regular Human Torch can do. All of Galactus’ heralds can move faster than light. But not every character than can fly and survive in the vacuum of space can move faster than light. If a character moves faster than light, in space, under their own power, then that character can move faster than light, it’s very simple. Characters in comics can move faster than light, just like characters in comics can move planets, perform magic, create Universes, etc.
Originally posted by carver9
Since it is stated how fast spiderman is going during combat, why isnt it ever stated for superman or wonderwoman when they are fighting, where are you getting your suppose to be facts that they are moving at even close to the speed of sound during combat.
Originally posted by carver9
Cant provide proof of anything just yet, Im at work.
Make sure that you give me issue numbers. I want context. And do your goddamn job instead of posting on a forum, you’re at work!
Originally posted by carver9
Superman seems to be great on kmc. People thanos level and below lose to him due to his suppose to be light speed combat.
People still give Silver Surfer, Thor, Stardust, Green Lanterns, Zoom, ant lots of characters the win over Superman. Characters that are not on par with Thanos.
Originally posted by carver9
go to the thanos vs superman thread.
Not everyone has the same opinion. Some people think Superman can defeat Thanos, other’s don’t.
Originally posted by carver9
Hell people are even saying that superman is skyfather and could blitz odin.
Yeah, a few Superman fanboys. Most everybody give Odin the win over Superman. And people are claimed that Prime is skyfather level, not regular Superman. And not everyone agrees with that statement.
Originally posted by carver9
You think I made up things, I forget about it and you pull up the comic and show me exactly what I said but I just forget what comic book it was that I read it from.
Bullshit. You said Superman can’t survive a couple of Nukes, it was proved otherwise. You said that Wizard 158 stated how fast Superman was, it didn’t. You said Wonder Woman claimed she couldn’t keep up with Zoom because he was moving at the speed of light, and that was too fast for her, it was proved otherwise. In this very thread, you claimed that Vulcan flew across the Universe in less than 7 days, when it actually took him at least 7 days. You said was blinded by Doctor Polaris in the same in which he was hit by a ship, once again, this wasn’t correct. It goes and on, but I can’t remember every little you told.
Originally posted by carver9
You see you go as far as bringing up the presence against someone like wolverine. You understood my post but like you always do, you try and make someone look stupid.
You missed the point of my post entirely. I was showing how foolish you were being. Just because Wolverine survived a Nuke to the chest, doesn’t mean he can take on The Presence. Do you understand what I’m saying? Even if a character is shown to be extremely powerful, he/she can still be defeated if the opposing character has greater feats.
Originally posted by carver9
Juggernaut appears to be invulnerable, do you think Lt can harm him, I certainly due since his powers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any durability in the universe.
LT can easily harm Juggernaut. In order to harm Juggernaut with physical force, you have to be more powerful than Cyttorak, which the Living Tribunal is. Ovveriding Cyttorak’s encahtment is what you need to do, in order to harm the Juggernaut, or whoever is in possession of the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak.
Originally posted by carver9
Now lets see what insults you have coming next, your still my boy but you are fulling of sarcasm.
Let’s see if you actually provide some solid proof. Instead of either posting scans out of context, lying, or completely avoiding the point.
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burning skull
well what can i say here is the logic of comics
spiderman can beat someone out of his strengh level because of the laws of comics allways goes with the underdog.
so spiderman is 20- 30 is he
rhino is somewhere like 80-90
and wonderwomen is 100 +++ ?
now spiderman can win against rhino because the underdog allways wins
thus can rhino win against ww atleast once because comic books are not reality... and thus have their own set of pervse laws " squirel girl" been a direct result of thease laws.
of cource a vast majoirty of times rhino is going to get very very hurt going up against WW but perhaps one time in 10 he may be able to stir the waters if the laws of comics shines in his favor.
how about rhino Vs micromax
perhaps what we need to do is to identify the type of opponant that is likely to lose to rhino and fit the description to the heros we are thinking off
so we are looking for someone who has low to medium strengh
around the level 80 mark
someonone with poor or normal speed and stamina
typically we are thinking about a hand to hand opponant or someone with energy manipulation powers that Rhino has some level of resistance to?
Rhino can not fly and thus we want to avoid flying opponants that would have an advantage over him.. however he has some expereicne with wallcrawling opponants.... so perhaps someone can find someone that fits perfecty into this catagory
for example triathlon could fall victim to rhino
Originally posted by Rorschach
Obviously he could move faster than light when Galactus gave him the Power Cosmic. It’s not something regular Human Torch can do. All of Galactus’ heralds can move faster than light. But not every character than can fly and survive in the vacuum of space can move faster than light. If a character moves faster than light, in space, under their own power, then that character can move faster than light, it’s very simple. Characters in comics can move faster than light, just like characters in comics can move planets, perform magic, create Universes, etc.Make sure that you give me issue numbers. I want context. And do your goddamn job instead of posting on a forum, you’re at work!
People still give Silver Surfer, Thor, Stardust, Green Lanterns, Zoom, ant lots of characters the win over Superman. Characters that are not on par with Thanos.
Not everyone has the same opinion. Some people think Superman can defeat Thanos, other’s don’t.
Yeah, a few Superman fanboys. Most everybody give Odin the win over Superman. And people are claimed that Prime is skyfather level, not regular Superman. And not everyone agrees with that statement.
Bullshit. You said Superman can’t survive a couple of Nukes, it was proved otherwise. You said that Wizard 158 stated how fast Superman was, it didn’t. You said Wonder Woman claimed she couldn’t keep up with Zoom because he was moving at the speed of light, and that was too fast for her, it was proved otherwise. In this very thread, you claimed that Vulcan flew across the Universe in less than 7 days, when it actually took him at least 7 days. You said was blinded by Doctor Polaris in the same in which he was hit by a ship, once again, this wasn’t correct. It goes and on, but I can’t remember every little you told.
You missed the point of my post entirely. I was showing how foolish you were being. Just because Wolverine survived a Nuke to the chest, doesn’t mean he can take on The Presence. Do you understand what I’m saying? Even if a character is shown to be extremely powerful, he/she can still be defeated if the opposing character has greater feats.
LT can easily harm Juggernaut. In order to harm Juggernaut with physical force, you have to be more powerful than Cyttorak, which the Living Tribunal is. Ovveriding Cyttorak’s encahtment is what you need to do, in order to harm the Juggernaut, or whoever is in possession of the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak.
Let’s see if you actually provide some solid proof. Instead of either posting scans out of context, lying, or completely avoiding the point.
I guess you didnt understand my question about jonny storm. The question was, jonny storm was given the pc, in less then 2 minutes he was flying around the universe at light speed. Are you trying to tell me that since COMICS actually use the fact that if you travel light speed you can dodge things in space at light speed that jonny storm learned how to do that in less than 2 minutes. If I was given the ability to fly at speed of light and I flew into space without practice, Im thinking that I would run into almost everything, dont you. Jonny storm had no practice with the additional speed that he was given but he flew just fine in space, again because its a comic.
People on the forum give superman the majority over silver surfer, thor, star dust, and some gave him the majority over thanos due to dragonball z combat speed that you say that he has (no proof, maybe just one or two scans out of 60 years of being out). I have been in each of these forum and people say that he people cant react to superman due to his flight speed (they use the fact that he has flown from one place to the other), which is total bs.
I agree 10% does think that other characters could beat superman while 90% say that superman would win with his skyfather powers. They give the win for wonderwoman and martian manhunter also for the same reasons they give it for superman. If speed was the case mimic would be one of the most powerful people in his universe due to speed but is he. Hell the guy move half the speed of light but wolverine almost killed him, sabertooth almost killed him and cap stalemated him because again for the same reason about superman, he possess minimum to almost no combat speed, not STRAIGHT LINE BURST but COMBAT SPEED.
Well I guess you havent been in some of the superman vs forums huh, plenty of times he has been classed as a almost skyfather level being, hell he dont even possess enough power to be even high herald level. Compare surfer, firelord, morg, star dust powers to superman and tell me do you see a big difference.
It was never proven otherwise about wonderwoman because she also said these same words about flash. By the way maybe you need to reread that wizard because it states (even though a lot disagree) that superman top speed is the speed of sound. Its not something that I said, it was published by a superman writer.
I agree with you about the wolverine thing, point taken.
Thanks for giving me more knowledge on juggernaut, didnt know that and I agree with that also because it sounds like a true statement.
I have no other way but to post scans about anything. You can either accept it or over look it.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Not me. I never stated at what exact speed the Flash was moving in that particular comic. However it was shown that Wally couldn’t slow down once he was infected by that virus, and he was shown moving fast enough to light the air on fire.If I have ever read a Flash comic? I made the freaking Wally West respect thread. And Wally doesn’t have a hard time reaching light-speed, not anymore. That was during his early years, because he was operating at 100%. Ever since Barry died, Wally had subconsciously kept himself from ever operating at a higher level than Barry. Flash can access the Speed Force any time he wishes, it’s how he’s accesses his powers. He’s always been tapping into the Speed Force, every member of the Flash family does the same. Wally just happens to have a better connection with the Speed Force. Without tapping into the Speed Force, Wally would be powerless. I think it’s clear that you very misinformed when it comes to the Flash, since it’s been made very clear that Wally gains all of his abilities from The Speed Force. He doesn’t have a hard time reaching the speed of light, not anymore. He’s been shown moving at the speed of light, or faster.
What? The entire fight wasn’t PIS, only some moments from the fight. Such as Superman not hearing Diana, when on other occasions he’s been shown to hear the goddamn atoms in the air. Diana sneaking up on Superman was PIS, but that’s about it. Some people say it’s PIS that Wonder Woman was putting up such a good fight, but in my opinion it was just a good showing for her.
Yes, actually it was. And it was from the Earth to the Sun, and then back to the Earth. Taking two minutes to reach the moon is well below light-speed.
Max Lord was timing the entire fight. He said the fight lasted one minute and fifty-four seconds. Obviously characters such as Superman and Wonder Woman can think at much faster rates than normal humans. In Superman’s case it was actually mentioned in OYL story. Of course Superman didn’t get from the Earth to the Sun instantly, he can move faster than light, not teleport. When Superman go to Earth, Wonder Woman was lying there, conscious. And she only passed out for an instant, and that was just after Superman had punched her. She had regained consciousness before he even reached Earth.
Show me Iron Man reaching a location in less time than it takes for light to reach the same location. And make sure that Iron Man is involved in a fight while doing so. You don’t even have to post scans. Just give me an issue number.
Provide some examples. Name me some characters that have crossed the entire Universe, but have been owned by street-levelers, Give me names, and then tell me how and when it happened.
What the hell? I already said that it was in another Galaxy. So of course I know that’s it way past our Son, it’s light-years past Earth.
Wonder Woman has her fight with Superman as a speed feat, and her keeping up with Jesse Quick while Jesse was about to enter the Speed Force. Vulcan’s feat is probably
very well above Wonder Woman’s fight with Superman, in terms of pure speed, however we determine exactly how much faster than light he was moving. It took him at least seven days, and that’s all we know. In the same way, we don’t at what speeds Jesse was moving at, when he reached the entrance of the Speed Force. And Superman trumps Vulcan’s best FTL feat. In IC, Superman flew to another Galaxy, the entire time taken was never given, but it was less than a day, that’s for sure.Superman and Wonder Woman have utilized their speed during combat. Wonder Woman possibly uses it more often that Superman, although Superman’s is greater.
They don’t always use their speed during their combat, but they have shown the ability to do so. However, you simply dismiss all the showings where these characters have shown combat speed. Somehow, you can determine at what speeds these characters are moving at, even though the speed is never stated. It’s just shown that they’re fighting fast. Superman has been show fighting fast enough that he appears invisible, moving faster than sound, moving faster than his heat vision, etc. To say that he doesn’t posses combat speed is just being ignorant.
Even Flash has been shown to be tagged by opponents who aren’t all that fast. These things happen in comic books. Characters aren’t always operating at maximum efficiency. Now, you provide me with some issues where I can seen Superman and Wonder Woman getting overwhelmed by brutes. Don’t just post the scans. I want to actually read the comics, because context is very important.
The artist’s style doesn’t indicate at exactly what speed characters are moving at. Speed lines and after images do indicate what exact speed characters are moving at. It simply means that the character is moving fast, we don’t how fast unless there’s more to go on, like how long the fight lasted, or if the speed is directly stated.
Her fight with Superman. You know, the one in which they moving faster than light.
Bullshit. Peoples reflexes don’t just get an amp because they’re in space. Characters can react at those speeds because they have the ability to do so, not because they happen to be in space.
And what’s your point? That everything can move and react faster than light if it’s in space? Do you have any proof of that? I mean actual proof, not some bullshit like ‘Character A can move faster than light is space, so that means everything is space can move faster than light’. I want some actual proof.
So you dont think that quicksilver could move that fast. He moved from genosha which is located on the other side of the map from united states to new york less then the time that magneto could pore a cup of tea. That feat alone is>flash feat. Wonderwoman had to use strategy to bring the flash down not speed. Reread the comic.
If you read my post then you would have known that I said that the speed force is what makes him move at light speed. You did educate me on some aspect of flash and I thank you for that but who on the forum dont know that using the speed force flash can go the speed of light. Im referring to the time where he didnt utilize the speed force so much but still had the ability to go the speed of light.
If you read what diana said then you would have realize why he could hear her coming. It was nothing pis about that fight. Thats not the only time that superman has lost to wonderwoman, they are about equal and the sad thing was that she was holding back. It wasnt a good showing for her since they are about equals.
Please show me where it gave a time on how long wonderwoman and superman fought. There was no speed in that fight to bring up except superman spinning around in a circle. I know that going from the moon and back in seconds is less then the speed of light but that shouldnt be a feat that rogue or iron man should have done, thats what Im trying to get you to understand, its a comic.
The comment on the max lord given a time is, "provide proof please".
Look at the new avengers comic which has ironman flying in space. Anyone that you pull up should be more then enough for you. Ironman has done things like that on numerous of occasions.
Just ask wolverine and spiderman, they have taken on and carved up a lot of characters that have flew across the universe. Hell, wolverine has gutted the silver surfer before.
So do you think that vulcan can speed blitz, lets say, quicksilver. He did fly across the universe in less then a week.
Any of gladiator feats trumps superman feats, are you telling me that he is faster then superman. Bad way to use speed feats. Hell gladiator was flying so fast towards earth when he was fighting the fantastic for the city shook before he even hit earth atmosphere. Gladiator fly from the shiar headquaters to earth in hours, so does that indicate that he is faster then superman. Im not going to comment on the superman and wonderwoman fight until I see proof.
What comic character hasnt shown the ability to have combat speed. What comic character didnt disappear in front of another characters face. This goes as low as street level characters. Almost everyone in comics have done this. Hell wolverine has disappeared in the entire team of xmen face. It should go by how many times they have utilize this ability and the narrator saying how fast that person was going. You will never provide proof of someone or even the narrator saying that superman was FIGHTING at the speed of light. Every character in comics has done a speed blitz, show me something saying how fast they were going I could show you one for gladiator and mimic.
Yes flash has been tagged by brutes but the entire time hes been tagged he is moving at super speed, I dont see and cant say the same for superman because him and brutes are going fist to fist, he lands a punch and then they land a punch. See the difference.
I never said that people get amped in space, I specifically said that since there is no gravity to hold your speed back you should be able to fly at tremendous speed. Now about that reflex thing, again I dont care about that because its a comic, I dont believe that comics try to use real world ethics like you all do. You all put to much time in every detail of a comic when its not that series.
Originally posted by carver9
I guess you didnt understand my question about jonny storm. The question was, jonny storm was given the pc, in less then 2 minutes he was flying around the universe at light speed. Are you trying to tell me that since COMICS actually use the fact that if you travel light speed you can dodge things in space at light speed that jonny storm learned how to do that in less than 2 minutes.
Yes, it’s a freaking comic book. I don’t know what you’re trying to get that. Johnny Strom was moving beyond light-speed, and react at light-speeds. Otherwise, he’d be crashing into stuff while flying. There’s no real ‘learning’ to it. The Power Cosmic simply amped his overall power and stats. So he could automatically move, and think at light speeds.
Originally posted by carver9
If I was given the ability to fly at speed of light and I flew into space without practice, Im thinking that I would run into almost everything, dont you. Jonny storm had no practice with the additional speed that he was given but he flew just fine in space, again because its a comic.
What? If you were just given the ability to move beyond light-speed, then you’d be crashing into things while flying. That’s because you could still only think and react at your normal speed. Johnny was given the Power Cosmic. All his stats were amped, seeing as how it’s a packaged deal.
Originally posted by carver9
People on the forum give superman the majority over silver surfer, thor, star dust, and some gave him the majority over thanos due to dragonball z combat speed
Some people give him the win over those characters, not everybody. Some people would give Punisher with prep a win DC Earth.
Originally posted by carver9
that you say that he has (no proof, maybe just one or two scans out of 60 years of being out).
Let’s see:
He’s been shown fighting so fast that he appears invisible, twice.
He’s been shown fighting faster than sound.
There’s his fight with Wonder Woman in Sacrifice.
He utilized his speed in his battle with The Elite.
He’s been shown fighting around the world with an opponent.
He was shown using his speed during his battle with an Imperiex Probe.
And there are several other instances, but I’m not going to list them all. I’m not going to go through 2000 comics, just so that you can tell me that in some of those fights he wasn’t moving fast at all, even when the exact speed is never stated.
Originally posted by carver9
I have been in each of these forum and people say that he people cant react to superman due to his flight speed (they use the fact that he has flown from one place to the other), which is total bs.
That’s because Superman has shown to be well beyond light-speed, and he has been shown to utilize his speed during battle. He can also think at those speeds, and use it in combat. Whenever there’s some Superman combat speed where the speed isn’t stated, some people will choose to believe that he’s moving close to his maximum speeds, while others will believe he’s moving below the speed of sound. It comes down to how they wish to perceive that feat, although there’s no indication of the exact speed he was moving at.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree 10% does think that other characters could beat superman while 90% say that superman would win with his skyfather powers.
Bullshit. Find me a thread where the majority of people give Post-Crisis Superman the win over Odin, find me a thread where the majority of people say that Superman is Skyfather level. Go look at the Silver Surfer Vs. Superman thread, more people vote for Silver Surfer over Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
They give the win for wonderwoman and martian manhunter also for the same reasons they give it for superman.
Because those characters have been shown to utilized their speed during combat.
Originally posted by carver9
If speed was the case mimic would be one of the most powerful people in his universe due to speed but is he. Hell the guy move half the speed of light but wolverine almost killed him, sabertooth almost killed him and cap stalemated him because again for the same reason about superman, he possess minimum to almost no combat speed, not STRAIGHT LINE BURST but COMBAT SPEED.
Has he ever actually utilized his speed during combat? Because Superman has. He’s actually used his speed during combat, so we know that’s capable of that. And don’t give me that ‘straight line burst’ when regarding Superman. He’s been shown to maneuver while running at super-speed, on different occasions. He’s shown that he’s capable of ‘zigzagging’ while moving at super-speed.
Originally posted by carver9
Well I guess you havent been in some of the superman vs forums huh, plenty of times he has been classed as a almost skyfather level being,
No, I have. And I haven’t seen the majority of people place Superman anywhere near Skyfather level. Give me some links to these threads, so that I can check them out for myself. And the KMC Comic Book tier places him Herald level, and he’s ranked beloew characters such as Thanos, Current Ion, Dr. Fate, and Dr. Strange.
Originally posted by carver9
hell he dont even possess enough power to be even high herald level. Compare surfer, firelord, morg, star dust powers to superman and tell me do you see a big difference. [/B]
He’s not as versatile as them but he can give them a good fight. That’s what makes him herald level. It’s not how versatile he is, but how fares in a fight that counts.
Originally posted by carver9 It was never proven otherwise about wonderwoman because she also said these same words about flash. [/B]
Wrong. I posted scans of the entire fight between Zoom and Wonder Woman, and nowhere did she state that she couldn’t keep up with him because he was moving at light-speed, and that was too fast for her. And she said that compared to her The Flash was a blur. That doesn’t indicate that Wonder Woman is below light-speed, it simply means that Flash is far faster than her.
Originally posted by carver9 By the way maybe you need to reread that wizard because it states (even though a lot disagree) that superman top speed is the speed of sound. Its not something that I said, it was published by a superman writer. [/B]
I read Wizard 158 several times, and nowhere was it stated that Superman’s top speed is the speed of sound. However while I was going through several issues of Wizard Magazine, I did come across a writer who said Superman could move at near the speed of light, and move planetary bodies. I also came across a statement by Jeph Loeb, in which he said that Wolverine’s claws would bounce off and bend, if he tried to attack Superman with them. But nowhere, did I come across anyone saying Superman’s top speed is the speed of sound.
Originally posted by carver9
I have no other way but to post scans about anything. You can either accept it or over look it.
Yes, you can only provide scans found in respect threads. Most of the time you haven’t read the issues you refer to, either that or you just happen exaggerate or outright lie when referring to the issue in question. I’m not going to accept out of context scans, not from you, that’s for sure.
Originally posted by carver9
So you dont think that quicksilver could move that fast. He moved from genosha which is located on the other side of the map from united states to new york less then the time that magneto could pore a cup of tea.
When did I say Quicksilver couldn’t move that fast? I must have missed that. Because I certainly think Quicksilver used to be able to move fast enough to light the air on fire.
Originally posted by carver9
That feat alone is>flash feat. Wonderwoman had to use strategy to bring the flash down not speed. Reread the comic.
How can you know at what speed the Flash was moving at? At that time he couldn’t slow down, and was lighting the air on fire. That tells us that he was moving fast, but not how fast. Even Green Lantern’s ring couldn’t slow him down. And when did I say that Wonder Woman used pure speed to bring down the Flash in that encounter? Did I ever say she simply moved faster than him? Don’t tell me to read the comic, as I’ve already read it. Have you read it? Maybe you can tell me what the whole story arc was about.
Originally posted by carver9
If you read my post then you would have known that I said that the speed force is what makes him move at light speed.
The Speed Force is what he gets his powers from. How else would he beyond light-speed?