Originally posted by carver9'
I can explain it for you. Creshok for one aint owning nothing and he is basically making himself look like the typical dbz hater that dont know anything about dragonball z. Goku along with almost any dbz fighter would run circles around superman but again thats for another thread. When Superman stop having trouble with brutes then he might could land a single punch against black hair goku.
lmfao.
Originally posted by Badabing
Horrowolf, I don't care what you think with all due respect. Do you have access to the reports? No. Do you get PMs regarding people trolling and flaming? No. In case you didn't see it, Raz is the person who banned Stacks. He saw a trend of abuse and irresponsible behavior which was highlighted by me and several other mods. He's had multible warnings and 2 temp bans. He did this to himself. I don't want to see Stacks brought up again on this thread. We do have an Off Topic thread. Thanks.
Fully Understood Baba,
You not caring about what my point of view is fine - and is obviously not an issue whatsoever to me, and thats the way it SHOULD be. Everyone is freely entitled to their opinions and their choice to agree/disagree with anyone elses' opinion. 😉
You don't have to care about my points of view,
I don't have to care about yours.
And thats what makes these forums cool.
Its just that If you objectively re-read this entire thread from the beginning...It just appeared that Stacks got banned for his opinion of a 10% minority victory. If he was flaming mods and others in PMs you mods obviously have every reason to ban him along with anyone else here.
But, my point still remains that there's just far too much anger and bashing over the freely-entitled opinions of others. No one is 100% right or wrong because as I maintain...although some things are highly unlikely, I say anything can happen in comics, and at anytime given the fluctuations of writers.
Originally posted by horrorwolfWarned for going off topic and spamming threads after numerous requests to stop.
Fully Understood Baba,You not caring about what my point of view is fine - and is obviously not an issue whatsoever to me, and thats the way it SHOULD be. Everyone is freely entitled to their opinions and their choice to agree/disagree with anyone elses' opinion. 😉
You don't have to care about my points of view,
I don't have to care about yours.
And thats what makes these forums cool.Its just that If you objectively re-read this entire thread from the beginning...It just appeared that Stacks got banned for his opinion of a 10% minority victory. If he was flaming mods and others in PMs you mods obviously have every reason to ban him along with anyone else here.
But, my point still remains that there's just far too much anger and bashing over the freely-entitled opinions of others. No one is 100% right or wrong because as I maintain...although some things are highly unlikely, I say anything can happen in comics, and at anytime given the fluctuations of writers.
What you fail to understand that the Versus threads aren't the place to discuss bannings. You are wrong in the fact that I asked you to stop. Please consider this before further action. The least you could do is spell my user name correctly. 😂 Thanks.
Originally posted by carver9
I dont want you to show me superman punching fast making sonic booms
Ok, it’s clearly stated in that scan that he’s creating sonic booms because of how fast he’s moving. He’s not creating sonic booms simply because he’s punching faster than the speed of sound.
Originally posted by carver9
I want you to show me something saying that superman has the ability to fight at light speed.
That’s not what you asked for. You wanted me to show you a scan of a character fighting at super-speed, and the exact speed they were fighting at to be stated in the comic. But I already told you that it’s extremely rare for it to ever be stated at what speed people are fighting at, however, I did show you a scan of Superman fighting faster than the speed of sound. Now, you said you would show me a scan of Gladiator and Mimic doing the same, so go ahead and post those scans.
Originally posted by carver9
Since he has so much on his respect thread it shouldnt be hard to find. Hell the guy been out for like 60 years, you can even put up a pre crisis scan if you want.
There are no scans of where it’s explicitly stated that Superman is fighting at the speed of light, but we do know that he was moving faster than light in his fight against Wonder Woman, since they went near the Sun and then back to Earth in less time than it would take light to make the same trip.
Originally posted by carver9
No, I dont create my own laws of physics
Really?
So what respected scientist has stated that things automatically start moving faster than light, once their in space? Or that there is no gravity in space? Or that objects automatically gain the ability to push themselves out of black holes while moving at the speed of light, after they sucked into black holes.
Originally posted by carver9
but you happen to give people combat speed that they dont have. That sounds much better.
Superman has utilized his speed during combat on numerous occasions.
He defeated Chinese forces while moving so fast that he appeared invisible, he used his speed during his battle against Redemption, against Kilowog he used his speed to take him out of orbit, he used his speed to smash Subjeckt 17 into a mountain, used his speed to take out the Kryptonite Man, during Up, Up, and Away! He used his speed against Riot, he used his speed against Equus during their 2nd or 3rd battle, he utilized his speed in order to defeat the Elite, in his training session with Mongul, his battles against Imperiex Probes, he used his speed to disarm Ruin, etc.
Originally posted by carver9
How many comic scans of dragonball z can I put up that have them showing combat speed against supermans. For every one that you have of superman I can put at least 40 for goku because goku has combat speed and he uses it.
Irrelevant.
The fact that other characters possess combat speed doesn’t equate to Superman not having combat speed.
Originally posted by carver9
Why do you say that I make my own scenes,
You lie, all the time.
Originally posted by carver9
you could just be adding on to scenes and making a comic something that it really aint meant to be. Think of it like this, what if oa was in some serious trouble and was about to get destroyed but this is taking place in a superman comic. Superman is the only character that have the power to stop whatever villian from destroying oa. Now the villian that is destroying decides to physically go there and destroy it. Superman on earth gets a message about this and decides to go there and defeat the enemy. We both know that oa is light years away. Again superman is the only being that can stop this villian. He basically flies off to protect a place that is in trouble. Do you think that they would have long drawn out flight panels of superman flying from earth to oa or do you think that it would show him being there in like the next couple of panels. You read a little to much into comics when I dont even think that the writer meant for it to be like that.
They don’t have to drawn several pages of Superman flying through space. One single page would be sufficient, but even that wouldn’t be necessary. One panel could have Superman saying he’s going to fly to Oa, and the next panel could show him on Oa, and that would still indicate that he flew to Oa. And in order to have gotten to Oa, he would have had to be moving faster than light, since the planet is light-years away from Earth. It doesn’t have to be explicitly stated in writing that he was moving faster than light, because logic dictates that would have to have had to be moving faster than light in order to reach a destination in less time that it would take light to reach the same destination. Otherwise, how would he have reached that destination in less time that it takes light to reach that same destination? If a writer didn’t wish to show Superman has someone who can move faster than light, he wouldn’t have had Superman move faster than light under his own power. He would have had something to aid him, like in Action Comics Annual 07, where a young Superman had to use spaceship in order to travel to another Galaxy.
Originally posted by carver9
1st thing, who said that wonderwoman was even walking, she was in the air.
Not when she was behind him. They were both on ground when Superman was using his super-hearing.
Originally posted by carver9
2nd wonderwoman is one of the best fighters on that planet, Im thinking that with her powers and being so tactical as she is she would know how to completely make herself silent, even to the likes of superman.
No, sneaking up on Superman when he’s actively using his super-speed is not something Wonder Woman should be capable of. Superman can ‘hear’ molecules in the air, and things happening near Saturn, while he’s still on Earth. Even Bryne’s Superman was able to hear every sound on Earth, when he lost control over his super-hearing. He heard someone in Metropolis gasp, while he was in Antarctica, fighting some monster. He’s even been able to tell if someone is lying by listening to their pulse. Nothing in Wonder Woman’s power set indicates that she should be able to sneak up on Superman, when he’s using his super-hearing. He would have been able to sense any movement she made.
Originally posted by carver9
Thats not one of the greatest feats that she have pulled. Hell she went a while fighting while she was blind and defeated half of the jla being blind.
The JLA was testing her, they weren’t seriously trying to hurt her. Plus, nothing in that fight indicated that she would be able to sneak up on Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Again who said that she was walking.
She was on the ground when she got behind Superman.
So now in order for a character to be walking, it’s got to be stated that she’s walking. What’s next? People aren’t breathing unless it’s stated that their breathing?
Originally posted by carver9
No, it has been stated to many times by dc own mouth that wonderwoman and superman are equals, stop changing sh**.
Great, then you should have no problem providing me with statement made by DC, stating that Wonder Woman and Superman are equals.
Originally posted by carver9
but where are you getting the fact that she wasnt holding back the entire fight but started holding back on earth, are you making up things again, adding on to comics.
She stated she was barely holding back when she began to attack him after taking advantage of his super-hearing. Up until that point there was no mention of Wonder Woman holding back.
Originally posted by carver9
Where did it say that she wasnt holding back in space.
While they were in space, she was trying to break his grip. Now, are you telling me that she wasn’t using all her strength when he was going to toss her into the sun? Because in space, Wonder Woman only did two things, break his grip, and attempt to use kryptonite against him.
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah superman did snap her risk but it was basically an almost sundipped superman since he was like miles away from the sun.
He broke her wrist while they were on Earth. This was right after she took advantage of his super-hearing.
Originally posted by carver9
By the way you must didnt see what happened after her risk got snapped.
She screamed out in pain, kicked him away, and summoned some birds to distract him.
Originally posted by carver9
So rogue and iron man can reach certain distance at supersonic but they can keep up with quicksilver, wow.
Why? Does Quicksilver always move at his highest possible speed? The fact that Iron Man and Rouge have been shown keeping up with Quicksilver doesn’t mean that are as fast as him, just as Superman keeping up with Flash doesn’t mean that he’s as fast as Wally.
Originally posted by carver9
I never said that it doesnt count in comics, I specifically said that you are adding things in comics that have no proof and was never stated.
No proof? The fact that they went from Earth to the Sun, and then back to Earth in less time that it takes for light to make the same trip, isn’t enough of proof for you?
Originally posted by carver9
I asked you for proof of wonderwoman or superman performing light of speed fighting and you show me superman creating sonic booms.
Wrong.
You said every comic book character has performed a speed blitzed, and then you asked me for a scan where to was stated at what speed two people were fighting at, you then said you would show me scans of Mimic and Gladiator fighting at the same speed. I told you that it’s very rare for it to be explicitly stated at what exact speed characters are moving at, when they are fighting. I showed you a scan of Superman making sonic booms while he was fighting, to get the point across that we can still deduce that Superman was moving faster than sound in that scan, even though it wasn’t explicitly stated. By taking other factors into consideration, we can see whether or not a character is moving faster than light, even if it’s directly stated in narration. E.G. Flash and Zoom going around the world a dozen times in less than a second.
Originally posted by carver9
That scan shows no proof. From the way it looks it seems like max lord was timing how long it took wonderwoman to find him. I think you read that wrong but since we are reading into scan so well.
I’m misinterpreting the scan? Me? Have you actually read the whole comic? It’s made very clear that Max Lord was timing their fight. Issue 04 of The Omac Project also backs up what I’m saying. The whole fight lasted less than two minutes.
Originally posted by carver9
answer this for me. How long does it take light to go around the earth.
Less than a second.
Originally posted by carver9
When wonderwoman flew off and went to max lord castle, since superman flies at the speed of light and max lord castle wasnt so far away, why wasnt superman there instantl,
why did max lord look at his watch and said that superman would be there in a couple of seconds.
Because characters aren’t always operating at their maximum capacity. The Flash is faster than light, but he isn’t shown reaching every destination in less than a second.
Max Lord didn’t look at his watch, he was looking at Wonder Woman while speaking to her, and in that same panel Superman was shown flying towards them.
Originally posted by carver9
Are you telling me that from where wonderwoman and superman was battling to the destination where max lord was at that it would take seconds for light to get there. NAAH, I dont think so.
No, I’m telling you that characters aren’t always operating at their best. The fact that it took Superman a few seconds to reach Max Lord doesn’t mean that he’s not faster than light, not when he’s been shown to be faster than light on other occasions.
Originally posted by carver9
If I was to show you a scan of ironman moving from point a to point b at the speed of light, trust me that doesnt give him the ability to combat at the speed of light. Has magneto done some interstellar flight, yes but wolverine runs circles around him because he has no combat speed
The fact is thought, that Superman can move faster than light, and has also been shown utilizing his speed during combat. You might have some argument if Superman was never portrayed using his speed during fights, but the fact is that he has, several times.
Originally posted by carver9
and I already commented on the one, only one scan that you THINK superman actually did light speed combat.
Yes, you’ve made it quite clear that you don’t believe reaching a location in less time than it takes for light to reach same location, means you’re faster than light. You also told me that Max Lord was timing the time it took for Wonder Woman to reach him, and not the fight between herself and Superman, which is incorrect.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not using pis but just go to a spiderman respect thread, he has done it so many damn times that its rediculous.
Provide some examples, because I can’t find anything besides the Firelord showing, and his showing against Masterson Thor, who was trying to convince Spider-Man that he was on his side.
Originally posted by carver9
Just ask thor,
You mean Masterson Thor? When did he ever fly across the Universe?
Originally posted by carver9
hell if were to use non cannon feats then I could say just ask superman since spiderman also ran circles around him.
More lies?
Spider-Man couldn’t even keep up with Superman. Then he was blasted with red sun radiation, and landed some attacks on Superman while he was trying to talk Spider-Man down.
“Can’t you get it into your skull—I’ve been trying to talk to you?”
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah superman has greater speed feats then that without any caculation and it was basically meant for superman to be at point a to point b because that was the purpose of the comic.
It was explicitly stated that a Sun-Eater was light-years away, and Superman left to confront it, after telling Pa Kent to head back to Earth, if Superman didn’t return to the spaceship in less than three hours. Flying several light-years in less than three hours, is faster than flying 100 times the speed of light.
Originally posted by carver9
The comic wasnt meant to show anything impressive about superman flight speed.
Even if this was true, it doesn’t change the fact that Superman flew several light-years in less than three hours.
Originally posted by carver9
Hell if every situation that superman has been in was in a hyperion comic, they would have him flying there also due to the writer.
And if Hyperion replicated that feat, it would mean that he’s capable of flying light-years in less than three hours. What’s so hard to understand about that? It seems you just want ignore showings that you don’t like.
Originally posted by carver9
Again you read to much in comics. On panel proof of speed with actual words = 0, gladiator proof that he can move faster then the speed of light by words = 3, do you see the difference.
The fact that it wasn’t explicitly stated that Superman was moving faster than light doesn’t take away from the feat. If character A is stated to have flown an entire light-year in the span of a minute, and character B is stated to have flown from the Earth to Sun at ten times the speed of light, it doesn’t make Character B faster than Character A, simply because it’s explicitly stated at what speed character B was moving at. We know that character B is faster and, and we can prove it because Speed equals Distance divided by Time.
Originally posted by carver9
On panel proof makes gladiator appear faster then superman. Actual words instead of forum caculations.
On-Panel proof portrays them as relative equals in terms of speed. They both have feats where they crossed light years in minutes. The words ‘100 times the speed of light’ means moving at 29 979 245 800 m / s. Superman flying several light-years in less than three hours, means he was moving at over 29 979 245 800 m / s, meaning he was moving at over 100 times the speed of light.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not even going to answer the next two post because you are trying to be funny.
No, not really. You asked for comic book characters that have not showcased combat speed and I listed them.
Originally posted by carver9
Did I say that superman has the same degree of combat speed then wolverine.
No, you were trying to undermine the fact that Superman has fought foes while moving so fast that he appeared invisible. I was just making it clear, that Wolverine having a similar feat does not mean he is in the same class as Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Hell people in wolverine and spiderman caliber seems to run circles around superman.
Bullshit.
Originally posted by carver9
Batman has done it
When has an unamped Batman ‘run circles around the modern-day Superman?
Originally posted by carver9
along with deathstoke
Deathstroke managed to temporarily evade Bryne’s Superman by hiding under a bus, that was it.
Originally posted by carver9
So since it isnt stated in a comic how fast the person is fighting, where are you getting this speed combat from.
By taking other factors into consideration, such as how long the fight lasted, if any significant distance was covered in a relatively short amount of time, if they were creating any sonic booms, etc.
Originally posted by carver9
In a comic they stated that doomsday had combat speed but when superman and doomsday fought, every human that was out there seen every blow.
They weren’t always fighting at their highest speed. But Doomsday did demonstrate some combat-speed when he moved faster than Guy Gardner could see, and at one point a man commented that Superman appeared as red and blue blur when he attacked Doomsday.
Originally posted by carver9
When superman and black adam was fighting, every human out there seen every blow.
Because they don’t always utilize their speed during combat. I’ve already stated this several times.
Originally posted by carver9
I know you dont need a narrator pointing out anything but at least have some kind of proof backing your words up about a characters speed.
I’ve already provided proof. What part of speed equals distance divided by time, don’t you understand? How the hell do you think speed is determined?
Originally posted by carver9
Rorschach, got a question for you, you said that when jonny storm was given the pc, that it accustomed him to his powers.
I said he was able to move faster than light.
Originally posted by carver9
If thats the case why couldnt he control his powers.
Because he still didn’t know the full extent of his abilities.
Originally posted by carver9
Why did he almost kill a herald level character by ripping all the flesh from him and was shocked while doing so and flew off. Basically if he have knowledge of his flight and maneuverbility, he should have known how to use his powers huh.
Uh, no. Knowing how to move and react does not mean you all of a sudden know the full extent of your abilities. Torch attacked Kerrigan, and he used too much power and completely owned the guy. It’s like Superman’s fight with Grundy in Superman 676. Superman wanted to knock Grundy out, but he used too much power and ended up ‘killing’ Grundy. They amount of power they thought would be sufficient, was in fact excessive.
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah the speed of light has been indicated in comics but it was never brought up in any of superman battles, thats what Im trying to get you to understand. The writer have superman flying from point a to point b for a reason but youre putting to much in that reason and adding things that I dont even think are suppose to be added to scans/comics.
If writers didn’t want to portray Superman as someone who’s faster than light, they wouldn’t have him do things that would require one to be faster than light. Instead of getting to getting to the sun in less than 8 minutes, they would state that it took him more than eight minutes, etc.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman on panel feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>odin and galactus.
Only if you choose to ignore several of their feats.
Originally posted by carver9
Any scan that you put up of either odin or galactus I can find a scan that is better (except maybe when galactus destroyed a solar system) but hey, that isnt so great since superman did survive a blast that was stronger without being damaged huh. 😆
Who said he wasn’t damaged? It did hurt him, but it wasn’t enough to kill him.
Originally posted by carver9
Going by on panel proof, Superman>galactus, going by your knowledge of both characters, galactus>>>>>>>>>superman.
No, Galactus and Odin are far more powerful that Superman. Superman hasn’t destroyed Galaxies and reignited Suns in any of his battles. He hasn’t created anyone as powerful as Galactus’ heralds. There’s no way Superman would be able to destroy several solar systems while in a weakened state, take out the Silver Surfer with just one attack, stand any chance at all against the In-Betweener, move an entire realm from it’s place in space and time, etc. Superman simply isn’t on their level.
