Who is the most impressive hero from Marvel/DC that Rhino can beat?

Started by Soljer15 pages

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Actually how long I've been here is for all intents and purposes is irrelevant, as the point that I'm making would remain the same.

And even if it is Current WW....its sounded like its still his opinion that 1, due to her combat speed being less than Quicksilvers, and 2, WW possessing a weakness to piercing...that its not impossible for Rhino to take a win. And specifically that those two opening allow a 1/10 chance for a Rhino win.

If he gives her a 9/10 majority there's still no need to get angry and insult him over it.

How long you've been here is entirely relevant; you should (and I suspect that you do) know that we use current versions of the characters. So arguing "maybe he was talking about...depowered Wonder Woman?" is inane.

Further; one cannot claim a falsehood as an opinion and make it okay. Wonder Woman's combat speed is superior to Quicksilver's. Fact. Saying "Well, in my opinion, the sky's actually red..." doesn't lend any credence to an argument that bases itself off of having a red sky.

Finally; anyone who did insult Stacks were first flamed by him. He started the entire escapade, and there is really no one to blame for his banning but him.

Originally posted by Soljer
How long you've been here is entirely relevant; you should (and I suspect that you [b]do) know that we use current versions of the characters. So arguing "maybe he was talking about...depowered Wonder Woman?" is inane.

Further; one cannot claim a falsehood as an opinion and make it okay. Wonder Woman's combat speed is superior to Quicksilver's. Fact. Saying "Well, in my opinion, the sky's actually red..." doesn't lend any credence to an argument that bases itself off of having a red sky.

Finally; anyone who did insult Stacks were first flamed by him. He started the entire escapade, and there is really no one to blame for his banning but him. [/B]

again - so now I get called inane. LOL
Thats what I mean. I UNDERSTAND that the KMZ defaults are current unless specified...my point was that I wasnt sure if Stacks was referring to Classic or not. Sorry If I missed his specification. Too bad he's not around for us to ask. Please try to relax.

Also I hope you understand that the "falsehood" you claim to be fact does not exist. Because these are variable comic characters and they do not exist. So its impossible for you to claim that Rhino has 0 chances of a victory....even thought its improbable.

Point being regardless of that - the namecalling and flaming in this thread is about as ridiculous as how serious some of you take this hypothetical thread....much less the outrage over the fact that someone thinks Rhino is capable of a 10% minor victory. Thats the real problem.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
again - so now I get called inane. LOL
Thats what I mean. I UNDERSTAND that the KMZ defaults are current unless specified...my point was that I wasnt sure if he was referring to Classic or not. sorry If I missed his specification. Too bad he's not around for us to ask. Please try to relax.

Point being regardless of that - the namecalling and flaming in this thread is about as ridiculous as how serious some of you take this hypothetical thread....much less the outrage over the fact that someone thinks Rhino is capable of a 10% minor victory. Thats the real problem.

I didn't call you inane. I called the argument you were trying to use to justify stacks' actions inane.

I'm a bit confused as to why you keep asking me to relax. I'm not excited. I'm not emotional. I couldn't possibly be more relaxed right now.

And your point, again, is absolutely one hundred percent correct. The flaming is ridiculous. It's out of place. It's taken way too extreme.

And Stacks was the cause of all of it. The flames? His. Namecalling? His. Insulting Moderators? His. The Ban? His.

Actions have consequences. It's really that simple.

Originally posted by Soljer
I didn't call you inane. I called the argument you were trying to use to justify stacks' actions inane.

I'm a bit confused as to why you keep asking me to relax. I'm not excited. I'm not emotional. I couldn't possibly [b]be more relaxed right now.

And your point, again, is absolutely one hundred percent correct. The flaming is ridiculous. It's out of place. It's taken way too extreme.

And Stacks was the cause of all of it. The flames? His. Namecalling? His. Insulting Moderators? His. The Ban? His.

Actions have consequences. It's really that simple. [/B]

I asked you to relax for 1, misunderstanding that I wasn't sure which version of WW that Stacks was referring to (this has nothing to do with the fact that default characters are always assumed). I just wasnt sure if Stacks had specified classic WW or not...within the pages of bashing.

I drew the conclusion that you were not relaxed due to the fact that you would consider me or a point I was trying to make "inane". Thats what I mean by bashing/namecalling.

It only seems that if any argument that doesnt fit your view is considered "inane"....instead of simply trying to get a better picture of what their point is....by asking them for more info/proof...etc.

The best example is that you misunderstood my own argument...and labeled it as inane off the bat. When my actual point is a valid one..just was misunderstood by you. Most of Stacks points were not trolling, he was defending a 10% minor victory versus a major DC character and seemingly got bashed by everyone....(not the mods specifically)....for an opinion of a hypothetic situation of a fictional comicbook character that can't be truly disproven.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Even so, there is no way possible to prove than any character can't take a minor victory in a hypothetically-based imaginary battle.

1. He stated that Wonderwoman took the majority, which is correct.
2. He felt there is no way to prove that its impossible for her to lose to Rhino which is true.

Sure there is. Especially with the no PIS rule. Under those circumstances, Rhino wouldn't be able to land a single punch on her. She's too fast for him. Plus, her fighting ability is on such a high level that it's like giving Batman super strength, speed, durability, and flight. In combat, she's simply too much for him to handle.

Rhino has never beaten someone in Wonder Woman's league. He's someone who always gets trashed by Spider-man and the like.

Is it possible for Rhino to KO Wonder Woman under the right circumstances? Maybe. If Diana just stood there and allowed Rhino to get a running start so he could gore her in the chest. That's the only scenario where Rhino might have a chance at defeating her. But outside of that? With both of them battle-ready and squaring off? Rhino wouldn't have a chance in hell.

Why is this Stacks and Wonder Woman thing brought up again? I thought it was over with....

Horrorwolf, just let it be. Stack getting banned has nothing to do with you.

Mods please stop this or lock the thread before anymore spam happens.

What's with the Rhino hate on this board? 🙁

Originally posted by batdude123

Rhino has never beaten someone in Wonder Woman's league. He's someone who always gets trashed by Spider-man and the like.

And that is not PIS? That someone who can trade blows with Hulk gets trashed by Spiderman on a regular basis?

Rhino --> Class 85
Spiderman --> Class 20 or so

It sure makes as much sense as Jason Todd trashing Superwoman (ie. WW's Earth-3 equivalent) in Countdown.

Originally posted by Premutos
And that is not PIS? That someone who can trade blows with Hulk gets trashed by Spiderman on a regular basis?

You don't seem to get what PIS is.

The majority of showings have him go down to Pete. A small number against Hulk are meaningless against that.

Originally posted by Premutos
Rhino --> Class 85
Spiderman --> Class 20 or so

Irrelevant. Plenty of character can fight people that are much stronger than they are.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You don't seem to get what PIS is.

And you don't seem to get that most comic books villains are jobbers, and for some unknown reason Rhino seems to be the biggest one in all of comicdom.

But this is the character's fault or simply lazy writing? BTW, on this board the 'Full Capacity' rule doesn't count for Rhino, does it?

"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise"

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Irrelevant. Plenty of character can fight people that are much stronger than they are.

Yeah and LOSE, unless it's in a comic book where the results of fights are decided based on popularity, the 'Good Guys Always Win' rule and stuff like that.

Originally posted by Premutos
What's with the Rhino hate on this board? 🙁

And that is not PIS? That someone who can trade blows with Hulk gets trashed by Spiderman on a regular basis?

Rhino --> Class 85
Spiderman --> Class 20 or so

It sure makes as much sense as Jason Todd trashing Superwoman (ie. WW's Earth-3 equivalent) in Countdown.

Parker wins by his powers, webs and most of all his brains. Brains are something that Rhino doesn't have.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Parker wins by his powers, webs and most of all his brains. Brains are something that Rhino doesn't have.

Doesn't have and doesn't need to trash a puny guy like Spidey, or at least he wouldn't need any brains to punk Spidey if most of their fights weren't completely PIS-riden.

Parker wins the majority against Rhino because:

a) Spidey's the good guy ^and^ inmensely popular

b) They always fight in comic books named after him

c) Urban utilities are always exactly where Spidey needs 'em to be.

Same with Electro, Sandman, Absorbing Man, etc...

Originally posted by Premutos
And you don't seem to get that most comic books villains are jobbers, and for some unknown reason Rhino seems to be the biggest one in all of comicdom.

But this is the character's fault or simply lazy writing? BTW, on this board the 'Full Capacity' rule doesn't count for Rhino, does it?

"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise"

We know the best of Rhino's ability within the limits of his personality. It ends up with him losing the mid tier people.

Originally posted by Premutos
Yeah and LOSE, unless it's in a comic book where the results of fights are decided based on popularity, the 'Good Guys Always Win' rule and stuff like that.

You're very ignorant . . .

Originally posted by horrorwolf
LOL wow...

I think it sucks Stacks got banned from this. Think about this for a second. My personal opinion is that Current Wonderwoman takes this 10/10 easily. But her previous versions would not have it so easy. So which version are we talking about?

Also it seems his opinion was simply that its POSSIBLE that Rhino had a very low 10% chance of a victory under given circumstances. If he feels that way, let him have his opinion, or prove him why its completely 100% impossible (Not improbable), which is nearly impossible to do in the comic world....where even such powerful characters like Blackbolt and DS job so often. Even she jobbed to Storm before.

It sounded to me that he clearly stated that Rhino has nailed characters such as Quicksilver, and under his strength nailed stronger characters such as Hulk.

Instead I see pages of people mocking him and getting angry.

I also wouldnt consider him a troll giving him a low 10% possibility victory. If you think about it, he clearly stated that although Wonderwoman would take the majority of any battles....it just was not impossible for Rhino to take one (out of 10 odds).

Seems more than a few people here get offended and take this stuff too seriously.

If you feel that its truly IMPOSSIBLE for one character to ever beat another, just state it and move on... Why so much bashing....Try not to take offense so easily If someone doesnt agree with you over these interesting and cool, but FICTIONAL and IMAGINARY scenarios involving comic book characters....in worlds where really any circumstances may take place, at any given moment.

Originally posted by Badabing
Listen, Stacks opinion wasn't what got him banned. It was his posting habits and general attitude. I can't speak for any of the other mods but I personally PMed him when he first started and tried to explain why he was getting warned. He would listen for a while and then fall back to his old self.

Horrowolf, I don't care what you think with all due respect. Do you have access to the reports? No. Do you get PMs regarding people trolling and flaming? No. In case you didn't see it, Raz is the person who banned Stacks. He saw a trend of abuse and irresponsible behavior which was highlighted by me and several other mods. He's had multible warnings and 2 temp bans. He did this to himself. I don't want to see Stacks brought up again on this thread. We do have an Off Topic thread. Thanks.

Originally posted by Badabing

Anyway, this isn't about Wonder Woman tagging Flash or anybody else. It's about the fact that she is too versatile for Rhino. She can fly, has superior skills and has a much higher speed set than Rhino. She has the speed of Hermes. She's deflected automatic weapons fire with her bracelets. She doesn't even need to touch Rhino to win. Magic lasso 10/10.

You have to remember that on KMC both combatants are fighting to the best of their abilities. PIS is off but CIS is on. That doesn't bode well for Rhino. Diana at the top of her game doesn't get touched by Rhino.

Quicksilver is not nearly has strong, durable or versatile as Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman has flight and a magic lasso. She doesn't even need to lay a hand on Rhino to win.

Originally posted by Premutos
What's with the Rhino hate on this board? 🙁

And that is not PIS? That someone who can trade blows with Hulk gets trashed by Spiderman on a regular basis?

Rhino --> Class 85
Spiderman --> Class 20 or so

It sure makes as much sense as Jason Todd trashing Superwoman (ie. WW's Earth-3 equivalent) in Countdown.

Not really.

Especially when it happens damn near every single comic he's in. That's when it ceases to be PIS. 🙂

Originally posted by horrorwolf
LOL wow...

I think it sucks Stacks got banned from this. Think about this for a second. My personal opinion is that Current Wonderwoman takes this 10/10 easily. But her previous versions would not have it so easy. So which version are we talking about?

Also it seems his opinion was simply that its POSSIBLE that Rhino had a very low 10% chance of a victory under given circumstances. If he feels that way, let him have his opinion, or prove him why its completely 100% impossible (Not improbable), which is nearly impossible to do in the comic world....where even such powerful characters like Blackbolt and DS job so often. Even she jobbed to Storm before.

It sounded to me that he clearly stated that Rhino has nailed characters such as Quicksilver, and under his strength nailed stronger characters such as Hulk.

Instead I see pages of people mocking him and getting angry.

I also wouldnt consider him a troll giving him a low 10% possibility victory. If you think about it, he clearly stated that although Wonderwoman would take the majority of any battles....it just was not impossible for Rhino to take one (out of 10 odds).

Seems more than a few people here get offended and take this stuff too seriously.

If you feel that its truly IMPOSSIBLE for one character to ever beat another, just state it and move on... Why so much bashing....Try not to take offense so easily If someone doesnt agree with you over these interesting and cool, but FICTIONAL and IMAGINARY scenarios involving comic book characters....in worlds where really any circumstances may take place, at any given moment.

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gerat post, I wish people read and understand this.

Originally posted by carver9
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gerat post, I wish people read and understand this.

The half dozen that tore it apart are even better 🙂

Originally posted by Rorschach
She said the Flash was a blur when compared to herself. How does that indicate that she’s somehow slow? It just means that the Flash is far faster than Wonder Woman. That doesn’t mean that Wonder Woman doesn’t possess combat speed, it just means that Flash has superior combat speed. Wally has had fights that last less than a second, hell, there’s even a fight that only last a picosecond.

Yeah, somehow even though they went to the Sun, and then got back to Earth, while fighting, in less time that it takes for light to travel from the Sun to the Earth, they were still moving slower than light. That’s some great logic right there. They did in two minutes what it takes light 8 minutes, and somehow they were still moving slower than light.

Aquaman
Tempest
Ravager
Kid Devil
Blue Devil
Ragman
Spider-Man
Venom
Punisher
Mettalo
Toyman
Robin
Etc

It said that it took him at least a week, and he didn’t fly across the entire Universe. He flew to a nearby Galaxy. Stop exaggerating.

Which isn’t all that fast when compared to characters such as Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.

The time taken was never stated.

Because they’ve been shown actually using their speed during combat? Unlike characters such as Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Gladiator, Black Adam, etc.

And at what speeds does Quicksilver fight at? Faster than sound ,right? How much faster? If Quicksilver fights at 20 times the speed of sound, and Wonder Woman fights at 10 times the speed of sound, it doesn’t mean she doesn’t possess any combat super-speed, it just means Wonder Woman inferior combat-speed.

Yet those characters can still react and maneuver at the speeds that they’re flying at. Otherwise they’d be crashing into things while flying, since they wouldn’t be able to react to anything and move out of the way, while moving at such high-speeds.

Because it’s stated at what speeds Spider-Man is fighting at? Or because more after-images somehow indicates that Spider-Man is fighting at the speed, or a greater speed than Wonder Woman?

Provide proof. And I don't mean just scans you found in respect threads. Give me issue numbers, or at the very least tell me why that character is in the same league as Rhino.

Proof? And don't post scans out of context.

Yes, as you’ve already explained, reaching a destination in shorter that it takes light to make the same trip, while fighting, doesn’t mean that she and Superman were moving faster than light. Clearly you are above concepts such as logic.

Not as bad as you making shit up. Remember all the bullshit you’ve posted? Like the time you said that Superman was hit by a ship, in the same comic that featured Repulse blinding him? Or that time you said Batman stalemated Superman during the Torment act, in Superman/Batman? Or how about that time you said Superman couldn’t survive a Nuke, despite scans been posted of Superman surviving a million Nukes?

Bullshit. Superman still loses fights on KMC, so does Wonder Woman, so does Flash, so does Martian Manhunter, so does Silver Surfer, so does Black Adam, so does Black Bolt, etc.

How would that make him unstoppable? There are characters with far greater feats. How are any of those Wolverine feats supposed to make him indestructible? The Living Turbinal can’t destroy Wolverine because he Nuke to the chest? The Presence can’t defeat Wolverine because he took punches from The Hulk? Goddamn it, for once, just try to make some sense instead of just babbling on and on.

People do provide proof. You just choose to ignore it, more often that not.

I disagree with a lot in your post but again I will not insult you like you and a lot of the people on the forum seem to have a habit of doing.

when diana was fighting flash, who said that he was moving at light speed, hell was it even stated that he was moving anywhere near the speed of sound. If you have read a comic of flash, you would know how hard it is for him to reach the speed of light (without using his other amazing powers like the speed force.).

Everyone seem to love that fight with wonderwoman and superman fighting and use the good parts out of the fight but when it is used against superman it is stated as pis. Back on topic. Again, was it stated how long it took wonderwoman and superman to fly from the sun, to the moon. You seem to say seconds but where in the comic did it state that it was even minutes or hours. They were even doing an entire fighting scene on the way there. When superman got to earth, diana was sitting there for a while, he didnt get there instantly, she said an entire sentence in her head and she even passed out through all of this and then he appeared. That feat isnt any greater then what Ironman has done numerous of times and he still dont possess enough combat speed to circle around rhino.

Im not even going to answer to the heros/villians that you post. Theres more then enough heros and villians that have crossed the universe but gets overwhelmed by street levelers.

I guess you dont know where the shiar headquater is huh. Lets put it like this its much further then the sun.

Which isnt all that fast compared to superman and wonderwoman huh. Vulcan feat>>>>>>>>anything wonderwoman has done in distance and flight but I still think that wonderwoman maneuvers a lot better then he does and could also get the 1st, 2nd, and possibly 3rd attack in.

Ok, if quicksilver and flash have been shown using there speed during combat but superman and wonderwoman havent, why are you saying that they possess combat speed. I know this, if superman and wonderwoman combat speed is so great, when is it ever going to change with them getting overwhelmed by brutes. Quicksilver and flash run circles around brutes, superman and wonderwoman have a lot of trouble with brutes, see the difference. Its not hard for comic drawers to draw superman and wonderwoman moving at tremendous speed during combat, look at speed demon, they draw it for him. Again, flight speed dont equal combat speed.

Show me proof that wonderwoman is superior then quicksilver in combat speed. Trust me you wont find any.

Now that was the most weirdest post that I have read. When they are flying in space, flying fast, maneuvering around things in space gives them great reflexes. ITS A COMIC. Jonny storm was given the power cosmic, in less then two minutes he was flying through the universe at great speed, getting place to place. Are you telling me that he got use to light speed and light reflexes that fast or is it just a comic book and things like that happens in a COMIC.

Since it is stated how fast spiderman is going during combat, why isnt it ever stated for superman or wonderwoman when they are fighting, where are you getting your suppose to be facts that they are moving at even close to the speed of sound during combat.

Cant provide proof of anything just yet, Im at work.

Superman seems to be great on kmc. People thanos level and below lose to him due to his suppose to be light speed combat. go to the thanos vs superman thread. Hell people are even saying that superman is skyfather and could blitz odin.

You think I made up things, I forget about it and you pull up the comic and show me exactly what I said but I just forget what comic book it was that I read it from.

You see you go as far as bringing up the presence against someone like wolverine. You understood my post but like you always do, you try and make someone look stupid. Juggernaut appears to be invulnerable, do you think Lt can harm him, I certainly due since his powers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any durability in the universe.

Now lets see what insults you have coming next, your still my boy but you are fulling of sarcasm.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The half dozen that tore it apart are even better 🙂

to you since half of his post is about people like you.

Originally posted by carver9

Now lets see what insults you have coming next, your still my boy but you are fulling of sarcasm.

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