Who is the most impressive hero from Marvel/DC that Rhino can beat?

Originally posted by carver9
You did educate me on some aspect of flash and I thank you for that but who on the forum dont know that using the speed force flash can go the speed of light. Im referring to the time where he didnt utilize the speed force so much but still had the ability to go the speed of light.

What? Wally only began moving at light-speed and beyond when he started to acknowledge the Speed Force’s existence, and when he began using it effectively. Prior to that, he could get stuck in the Speed Fore, if he moved beyond light-speed. However, that hasn’t been the case for years. During his Kid Flash days he could move beyond light-speed without knowing what the Speed Force was, but back then, they had created the Speed Force yet. It was something they came up with during Flash v2.

Originally posted by carver9
If you read what diana said then you would have realize why he could hear her coming.

Superman is looking straight ahead, while Wonder Woman is behind him, and moving towards him. “When he stops speaking, that’s when I know he’s using his ears. Super-Hearing.” How the hell does that indicate Superman knew Wonder Woman was behind him? He was actively searching for her presence.

Originally posted by carver9
It was nothing pis about that fight. Thats not the only time that superman has lost to wonderwoman,

Except for Superman not hearing footsteps, when he’s heard far less than that, on several other occasions. Superman didn’t really lose the fight, it was more of a tie. All she did was slow him down, so that she could get to Max. When she slit his throat, he was temporarily free from Lord’s control. And then he recovered from that wound in seconds.

Originally posted by carver9
they are about equal and the sad thing was that she was holding back. It wasnt a good showing for her since they are about equals.

Superman and Classic Captain Marvel are equals. Wonder Woman is slightly below the both of them, in terms of overall power. It was a very good showing her, she was moving faster than light while fighting, and she only blacked out for an instant after been punched from the Sun to the Earth. And she was barely holding back, and that wasn’t even during the whole fight. She was holding back when she started attacking Superman on Earth, so that she could slow him down, and get to Max Lord. This resulted in Superman snapping one of her wrists, and she ended up using birds in order to distract him.

Originally posted by carver9
Please show me where it gave a time on how long wonderwoman and superman fought. There was no speed in that fight to bring up except superman spinning around in a circle. I know that going from the moon and back in seconds is less then the speed of light but that shouldnt be a feat that rogue or iron man should have done./B]

No, Iron Man and Rouge have not been shown to reach a location, faster than light, while fighting. Now, Iron Man and Rouge can fly from the Earth to the Moon in seconds, it’s completely within their abilities. They aren’t moving at light-speed, just super-sonic speeds. You can’t ignore so many showings, just because you don’t like them.

Originally posted by carver9
[B]thats what Im trying to get you to understand, its a comic.

And we’re discussing comic book characters. What are you trying to get at? *Character A moved faster than light but it doesn’t count because it happened in a comics*

What the hell is that? We’re discussing comic book characters. Feats that take place in comic books count.

Originally posted by carver9
The comment on the max lord given a time is, "provide proof please".

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/WonderWomanv221919.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Look at the new avengers comic which has ironman flying in space. Anyone that you pull up should be more then enough for you. Ironman has done things like that on numerous of occasions.

Ok, first tell me what issue that was. Then tell me what distance he traveled, and how long it took for him to reach wherever it was he got to. Then, make sure that he was involved in a fight at the time. You said Iron Man has similar feats to the Superman/Wonder Woman fight. Now it’s to back it up.

Originally posted by carver9
Just ask wolverine and spiderman, they have taken on and carved up a lot of characters that have flew across the universe. Hell, wolverine has gutted the silver surfer before.

Wow, you’re really a clueless idiot. Wait, why I am surprised by that? Anyway, Spider-Man Vs. Firelord is the definition of PIS. So that certainly doesn’t count. Wolverine gutted Silver Surfer in a What If? Comic. It isn’t cannon. Now, can you provide me some actual examples? Instead of the definition of PIS, and something that’s not cannon.

Originally posted by carver9
So do you think that vulcan can speed blitz, lets say, quicksilver. He did fly across the universe in less then a week.

First, Vulcan can only speed-blitz Quicksilver, if he’s shown to use his speed during combat. That’s something Superman has done. And Vulcan did not fly across the Universe in less than a week. He flew to a nearby Galaxy in at least seven days. A week consists of seven days. So he took more than a week.

Originally posted by carver9
Hell gladiator was flying so fast towards earth when he was fighting the fantastic for the city shook before he even hit earth atmosphere.

That was when Mr. Fantastic said there was something coming towards Earth at one hundred times the speed of light, wasn’t it? Huh, Superman has greater speed feats than that, and so does Gladiator.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator fly from the shiar headquaters to earth in hours, so does that indicate that he is faster then superman.

No, it really doesn’t. Superman also has feats where he’s flown light-years in hours or less. So, you haven’t shown me any examples that put make me think that Gladiator is defiantly faster than Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Im not going to comment on the superman and wonderwoman fight until I see proof.

[QUOTE=10394940]Originally posted by carver9
[B]What comic character hasnt shown the ability to have combat speed.

Perry White.

Originally posted by carver9
What comic character didnt disappear in front of another characters face.

Aunt May.

Originally posted by carver9
This goes as low as street level characters. Almost everyone in comics have done this. Hell wolverine has disappeared in the entire team of xmen face.

So? Wolverine can fight fast. That doesn’t mean Superman has the same degree of comb at speed as Wolverine.

Originally posted by carver9
It should go by how many times they have utilize this ability and the narrator saying how fast that person was going.

The narrator doesn’t always state at what speeds a character is moving. Even if a narrator says that a character is moving faster than sound, we won’t know much faster than sound. A character can be shown moving at great speeds, but we won’t always know the ecat speed at which that character was moving at.

Originally posted by carver9
You will never provide proof of someone or even the narrator saying that superman was FIGHTING at the speed of light.

Because I can see that reaching a location, in less time than it takes for light to reach the same location, while fighting, means that the characters were moving faster than light. It’s common sense. Everything doesn’t haven’t to be so forceful. I don’t need the narrator telling me that Batman is using his computer, when he’s shown using his computer. I don’t need the narrator to tell me that Superman is conscious, when he’s shown just standing still. I’m not a goddamn idiot.

Originally posted by carver9
Every character in comics has done a speed blitz, show me something saying how fast they were going I could show you one for gladiator and mimic.

Now what are you going on about? I already said that it’s very for it to be stated exactly how fast characters are moving when shown utilizing their speed. However, I can tell that Superman is fighting faster than sound in this scan, because they make it pretty obvious.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk293/BattlethreadJok/Action788-14.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Yes flash has been tagged by brutes but the entire time hes been tagged he is moving at super speed, I dont see and cant say the same for superman because him and brutes are going fist to fist, he lands a punch and then they land a punch. See the difference.

As I have already explained, Superman doesn’t always utilize his speed, but he has shown the ability to do so. When he’s been hit by slower opponents, because he’s fighting at their pace. And, up until OYL, it was said that Superman would withhold from using his speed in populated areas, in order to avoid causing damage. But he has shown the ability to utilize his speed during combat, that’s my point.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that people get amped in space, I specifically said that since there is no gravity to hold your speed back you should be able to fly at tremendous speed.

Great, you even stupider than I thought. Carver, there is gravity in space. For one thing, it’s what keeps the planets in orbit. Everything exerts gravity. This is pretty common knowledge. And people don’t automatically move faster than light, just because they’re in space. Bryne’s Superman couldn’t move faster than light, regardless of whether he was in space, or on Earth.

[QUOTE=10394940]Originally posted by carver9
[B]Now about that reflex thing, again I dont care about that because its a comic,

The accept that those characters can perform those feats.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont believe that comics try to use real world ethics like you all do.

Yeah, you happen to just create your own laws of physics.

Originally posted by carver9
You all put to much time in every detail of a comic when its not that series.

Damn, I’m accused of using my head! Yeah, if a character flys from the Earth to the Sun in less than 7 minutes, and it takes light 8 minutes to reach the Sun. I can tell that, Character A is faster than light. But you, you make your owns scenes in the comic book. You can tell that Batman stalemated Superman during the torment arc, although it was never shown in the comic, you can tell that Repulse appeared in the same comic in which Superman was hit by a ship, you can come up so much bullshit.

Originally posted by Rorschach

Damn, I’m accused of using my head! Yeah, if a character flys from the Earth to the Sun in less than 7 minutes, and it takes light 8 minutes to reach the Sun. I can tell that, Character A is faster than light.

you are assuming that the writers actually are aware of the speed of light and taken it to account.

carver has a point that we posters on KMC often read into everything and take every little detail apart when oftentimes writers did not have such intention.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
you are assuming that the writers actually are aware of the speed of light and taken it to account.

Why wouldn’t the writer know that the speed of light is? It’s common knowledge. Unless it’s stated that that the distance from the Earth to Sun is different in the DC Universe, then I’m going to assume it’s the same. Anyway, the speed of light has been stated in DC Comics, and it’s the same speed as the speed of light in the real world.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
carver has a point that we posters on KMC often read into everything and take every little detail apart when oftentimes writers did not have such intention.

Writers don’t intend for people to log onto a forum and debate whether Character A can defeat Character B. There are writers that give Superman the win over Galactus, and Odin. But I’m not going to give him the win over either character. I give Galactus and Odin the win over Superman, because on-panel, they have shown to have far greater feats than Superman, and simply portrayed in a more powerful manner.

Originally posted by Rorschach

Because I can see that reaching a location, in less time than it takes for light to reach the same location, while fighting, means that the characters were moving faster than light. It’s common sense. Everything doesn’t haven’t to be so forceful. I don’t need the narrator telling me that Batman is using his computer, when he’s shown using his computer. I don’t need the narrator to tell me that Superman is conscious, when he’s shown just standing still. I’m not a goddamn idiot.

😆 😆

Fuckin' comedy gold.

Originally posted by Rorschach

Writers don’t intend for people to log onto a forum and debate whether Character A can defeat Character B.

exactly...which creates issues when we try to debate them.

Writers often times don't emphasize consistency of characters...they'll have the characters do or act however in such a way as convenient to the story. These inconsistencies then lead to pages and pages of KMC posters debating each other on points the writer may never even have thought of when they wrote a certain thing.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
She still doesn't fight faster then QS.

Show me. That's what a debate is, you showing me a scan of Wonder Woman fighting faster then QS to refute my claim.

To be honest you are trolling. Making an absurb claim (e.g. the Rhino can defeat WonderWoman, WonderWoman is not faster than Classic Quicksilver, etc) and then demanding that people show proof of the inverse, is warped debating logic.

It would be like me saying that Wolverine has no healing factor, and that those are not claws but rather spiked knuckle-dusters made of iron ....and when people call BS I then start DEMANDING that they take their time to fish out scans.

When one makes an assertion, the onus is on them to prove it. I cannot come and say that George Bush is president of Russia, and then when people gasp start DEMANDING that they show evidence! It would be up to me to back up my crazy claims with evidence, not them.

No matter how easy that evidence may be to garner.

As for Wonderwoman (her strength and speed), she is multiple magnitudes above Rhino .....and that is just looking at strength and speed (no need for fighting skills, flight, or her standard equipment).

Oh ....and don't ask me to post scans for you. There is a rather good WW respect site on KMC (and several more around the web), which all have NUMEROUS feats of Wonderwoman doing strength and speed feats galore.

Needless to say, the Rhino's chances are nil against someone at WW level

(think of it this way ....WW can hang with the best of the JLA, Rhino has problems with Spiderman).

Originally posted by Master-Borg
exactly...which creates issues when we try to debate them.

Writers often times don't emphasize consistency of characters...they'll have the characters do or act however in such a way as convenient to the story. These inconsistencies then lead to pages and pages of KMC posters debating each other on points the writer may never even have thought of when they wrote a certain thing.

Oh my goodness, you said this waaaaaaaaaaaaay better then I could have said it and made the words more clearer. Good job (even though me and you disagree on a lot of things but overrall this is one of the best and well put post I have seen from you.)

Originally posted by Master-Borg
exactly...which creates issues when we try to debate them.

Writers often times don't emphasize consistency of characters...they'll have the characters do or act however in such a way as convenient to the story. These inconsistencies then lead to pages and pages of KMC posters debating each other on points the writer may never even have thought of when they wrote a certain thing.

Some mod you'll be... going around trolling the people with spam such as this...

Originally posted by spetznaz
To be honest you are trolling. Making an absurb claim (e.g. the Rhino can defeat WonderWoman, WonderWoman is not faster than Classic Quicksilver, etc) and then demanding that people show proof of the inverse, is warped debating logic.

It would be like me saying that Wolverine has no healing factor, and that those are not claws but rather spiked knuckle-dusters made of iron ....and when people call BS I then start DEMANDING that they take their time to fish out scans.

When one makes an assertion, the onus is on them to prove it. I cannot come and say that George Bush is president of Russia, and then when people gasp start DEMANDING that they show evidence! It would be up to me to back up my crazy claims with evidence, not them.

No matter how easy that evidence may be to garner.

As for Wonderwoman (her strength and speed), she is multiple magnitudes above Rhino .....and that is just looking at strength and speed (no need for fighting skills, flight, or her standard equipment).

Oh ....and don't ask me to post scans for you. There is a rather good WW respect site on KMC (and several more around the web), which all have NUMEROUS feats of Wonderwoman doing strength and speed feats galore.

Needless to say, the Rhino's chances are nil against someone at WW level

(think of it this way ....WW can hang with the best of the JLA, Rhino has problems with Spiderman).

Originally posted by carver9
Oh my goodness, you said this waaaaaaaaaaaaay better then I could have said it and made the words more clearer. Good job (even though me and you disagree on a lot of things but overrall this is one of the best and well put post I have seen from you.)

take that Creshosk, some people agree with my points.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
thank you!

take that Creshosk, some people agree with my points.

You'd need a very broad definition of the word 'person' to include carver.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
thank you!

take that Creshosk, some people agree with my points.

I agree with it because its the truth, creshok didnt disagree with it, hes basically saying that you took the fun out of debating (which you kinda did, you messed up all my good thoughts that I had for one of my favorite characters which is gladiator.).

Originally posted by Soljer
You'd need a very broad definition of the word 'person' to include carver.

crylaugh

Originally posted by batdude123
crylaugh

So you find that amusing huh.

Originally posted by carver9
So you find that amusing huh.

Nah. He clicked on that emoticon on accident.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
thank you!

take that Creshosk, some people agree with my points.

Hate to break it to you but a person agreeing with you doesn't give your opinion any more credence. in fact all that means is that you commited the ad populem fallacy. Congratulations on maintaining your streak of illogic. YOu'll also note that he said he disagrees with you on alot of things.

But congratlations on finding one person who agrees with you... but you'll note I never said that people don't agree with you. I said that people don't respect you enough for you simply becoming a mod to be enough to usher in a golden age.

And I still stand by that.

Oh and getting people to respect you whom they themselves are not respected desn't really cut it. Being king of the trash doesn't mean you're not trash.

Originally posted by carver9
So you find that amusing huh.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Found someone he can maybe beat.... Giant Man talks shit but is a pussy.

giant man would slap him around worse than he does janet... please.

Originally posted by Rorschach
Because I can see that reaching a location, in less time than it takes for light to reach the same location, while fighting, means that the characters were moving faster than light. It’s common sense. Everything doesn’t haven’t to be so forceful. I don’t need the narrator telling me that Batman is using his computer, when he’s shown using his computer. I don’t need the narrator to tell me that Superman is conscious, when he’s shown just standing still. I’m not a goddamn idiot.

hysterical

Originally posted by Raoul
giant man would slap him around worse than he does janet... please.

You should be ashamed of yourself. 🙁

Originally posted by Ha-Son
You should be ashamed of yourself. 🙁

quiet you, unless you want the same?