Originally posted by Rorschach
What? Wally only began moving at light-speed and beyond when he started to acknowledge the Speed Force’s existence, and when he began using it effectively. Prior to that, he could get stuck in the Speed Fore, if he moved beyond light-speed. However, that hasn’t been the case for years. During his Kid Flash days he could move beyond light-speed without knowing what the Speed Force was, but back then, they had created the Speed Force yet. It was something they came up with during Flash v2.Superman is looking straight ahead, while Wonder Woman is behind him, and moving towards him. “When he stops speaking, that’s when I know he’s using his ears. Super-Hearing.” How the hell does that indicate Superman knew Wonder Woman was behind him? He was actively searching for her presence.
Except for Superman not hearing footsteps, when he’s heard far less than that, on several other occasions. Superman didn’t really lose the fight, it was more of a tie. All she did was slow him down, so that she could get to Max. When she slit his throat, he was temporarily free from Lord’s control. And then he recovered from that wound in seconds.
Superman and Classic Captain Marvel are equals. Wonder Woman is slightly below the both of them, in terms of overall power. It was a very good showing her, she was moving faster than light while fighting, and she only blacked out for an instant after been punched from the Sun to the Earth. And she was barely holding back, and that wasn’t even during the whole fight. She was holding back when she started attacking Superman on Earth, so that she could slow him down, and get to Max Lord. This resulted in Superman snapping one of her wrists, and she ended up using birds in order to distract him.
No, Iron Man and Rouge have not been shown to reach a location, faster than light, while fighting. Now, Iron Man and Rouge can fly from the Earth to the Moon in seconds, it’s completely within their abilities. They aren’t moving at light-speed, just super-sonic speeds. You can’t ignore so many showings, just because you don’t like them.
And we’re discussing comic book characters. What are you trying to get at? *Character A moved faster than light but it doesn’t count because it happened in a comics*
What the hell is that? We’re discussing comic book characters. Feats that take place in comic books count.
Heh, I guess one of us has to provide some actual proof.
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Ok, first tell me what issue that was. Then tell me what distance he traveled, and how long it took for him to reach wherever it was he got to. Then, make sure that he was involved in a fight at the time. You said Iron Man has similar feats to the Superman/Wonder Woman fight. Now it’s to back it up.
Wow, you’re really a clueless idiot. Wait, why I am surprised by that? Anyway, Spider-Man Vs. Firelord is the definition of PIS. So that certainly doesn’t count. Wolverine gutted Silver Surfer in a What If? Comic. It isn’t cannon. Now, can you provide me some actual examples? Instead of the definition of PIS, and something that’s not cannon.
First, Vulcan can only speed-blitz Quicksilver, if he’s shown to use his speed during combat. That’s something Superman has done. And Vulcan did not fly across the Universe in less than a week. He flew to a nearby Galaxy in at least seven days. A week consists of seven days. So he took more than a week.
That was when Mr. Fantastic said there was something coming towards Earth at one hundred times the speed of light, wasn’t it? Huh, Superman has greater speed feats than that, and so does Gladiator.
No, it really doesn’t. Superman also has feats where he’s flown light-years in hours or less. So, you haven’t shown me any examples that put make me think that Gladiator is defiantly faster than Superman.
Perry White.
Aunt May.
So? Wolverine can fight fast. That doesn’t mean Superman has the same degree of comb at speed as Wolverine.
The narrator doesn’t always state at what speeds a character is moving. Even if a narrator says that a character is moving faster than sound, we won’t know much faster than sound. A character can be shown moving at great speeds, but we won’t always know the ecat speed at which that character was moving at.
Because I can see that reaching a location, in less time than it takes for light to reach the same location, while fighting, means that the characters were moving faster than light. It’s common sense. Everything doesn’t haven’t to be so forceful. I don’t need the narrator telling me that Batman is using his computer, when he’s shown using his computer. I don’t need the narrator to tell me that Superman is conscious, when he’s shown just standing still. I’m not a goddamn idiot.
Good knowledge on wally west, that would be someone that I wouldnt give you a heads up on in the future.
1st thing, who said that wonderwoman was even walking, she was in the air. 2nd wonderwoman is one of the best fighters on that planet, Im thinking that with her powers and being so tactical as she is she would know how to completely make herself silent, even to the likes of superman. Thats not one of the greatest feats that she have pulled. Hell she went a while fighting while she was blind and defeated half of the jla being blind.
Again who said that she was walking.
No, it has been stated to many times by dc own mouth that wonderwoman and superman are equals, stop changing sh**. Again I dont agree with them fighting at light speed but Ill get to that soon but where are you getting the fact that she wasnt holding back the entire fight but started holding back on earth, are you making up things again, adding on to comics. Where did it say that she wasnt holding back in space. Yeah superman did snap her risk but it was basically an almost sundipped superman since he was like miles away from the sun. By the way you must didnt see what happened after her risk got snapped.
So rogue and iron man can reach certain distance at supersonic but they can keep up with quicksilver, wow.
I never said that it doesnt count in comics, I specifically said that you are adding things in comics that have no proof and was never stated. I asked you for proof of wonderwoman or superman performing light of speed fighting and you show me superman creating sonic booms.
That scan shows no proof. From the way it looks it seems like max lord was timing how long it took wonderwoman to find him. I think you read that wrong but since we are reading into scan so well, answer this for me. How long does it take light to go around the earth. When wonderwoman flew off and went to max lord castle, since superman flies at the speed of light and max lord castle wasnt so far away, why wasnt superman there instantl, why did max lord look at his watch and said that superman would be there in a couple of seconds. Are you telling me that from where wonderwoman and superman was battling to the destination where max lord was at that it would take seconds for light to get there. NAAH, I dont think so.
If I was to show you a scan of ironman moving from point a to point b at the speed of light, trust me that doesnt give him the ability to combat at the speed of light. Has magneto done some interstellar flight, yes but wolverine runs circles around him because he has no combat speed and I already commented on the one, only one scan that you THINK superman actually did light speed combat.
Im not using pis but just go to a spiderman respect thread, he has done it so many damn times that its rediculous. Just ask thor, hell if were to use non cannon feats then I could say just ask superman since spiderman also ran circles around him.
Listen to your own words, just because you say superman performed light speed flight doesnt mean that he can combat in light speed until proven otherwise.
Yeah superman has greater speed feats then that without any caculation and it was basically meant for superman to be at point a to point b because that was the purpose of the comic. The comic wasnt meant to show anything impressive about superman flight speed. Hell if every situation that superman has been in was in a hyperion comic, they would have him flying there also due to the writer. Again you read to much in comics. On panel proof of speed with actual words = 0, gladiator proof that he can move faster then the speed of light by words = 3, do you see the difference.
On panel proof makes gladiator appear faster then superman. Actual words instead of forum caculations.
Im not even going to answer the next two post because you are trying to be funny.
Did I say that superman has the same degree of combat speed then wolverine. Hell people in wolverine and spiderman caliber seems to run circles around superman. Batman has done it along with deathstoke but I still know in the back of my head that superman reflexes are greater. It was one more guy that I was going to put in that post but I couldnt think of his name, I'll get it for you today and post it when Im at work.
So since it isnt stated in a comic how fast the person is fighting, where are you getting this speed combat from. In a comic they stated that doomsday had combat speed but when superman and doomsday fought, every human that was out there seen every blow. When superman and black adam was fighting, every human out there seen every blow.
I know you dont need a narrator pointing out anything but at least have some kind of proof backing your words up about a characters speed.
