Thor Vs Wonder Woman (Fist Fight)

Originally posted by Ricardo Potter
I read the C-Bomb one yesterday, they were going to test it but it was stolen so he never goy to, at that time he wasn't sure what he could take.

Just pointing out.

Originally posted by olympian
WW`s strength is magical in nature. There: we just discounted that.

Its like you didnt even read the reply. What does it matter the nature of the weigth involved as long it physically affects something like the whole globe? The same way, what does it matter the nature or origin of the strength source of a given character being magic? Or the sun? Or rage?

Totally. Nothing.

No.

He towed the Midgard Serpent alone. He armwrestle against Hercules alone. And if you want to bring more absurd feats into play he also moved the World engine alone.

WW, since the crisis, usually doesnt have such absurd feats written for her and the most impressive she got are with assist. The difference is again, somewhat telling.

Of course, since those big feats arent random for everyone even of this range, we can say that one average theyr strength is pretty close. But the difference is still there as it is. [/B][/QUOTE] I disagree.
That is probably why we use opinions when there is no proof available.

Not unless you take the assists into account. Wich it seems you arent.

What you present, this theory of yours, its what would be common sense in the real word. Someone older and more experience at MA wins against someone younger at MA. But this is not the real world. Its comic books. Where certain unwritten rules are applied. And one of them is the reason why Deathstroke makes WW and a Green Lantern look less skilled than he is shown to be.

This is not to say they are actually going to win straigh on, only that this level is written to be better than the higher in one aspect: figthing skills. Its theyr stich.

Appearantly you cant do better than say "its a bold face lie" to everything.

I can only conclude with this that you never ever ever ever read Thor in your whole life.

Honestly, Byrne Superman? Wich Hulk isent stronger than that? Grey?

When you spilled things like this out loud, it should be enough to make you stop typing.

It matters, because hes weaker than some folks Thor routinely figths.

Its pretty telling that you dont read Thor. Not only that but your hierarchy is bogus.

Know that speed is Thor's kryptonite.

All that ive named are stronger. And in the majority of the times, Thor doesnt go down with one punch.

Ok, stop now.

Its like replying to a brick wall. "It doesnt matter"? You trow here mid tiers that have nothing to do with the debate while im comparing characters of the same range and "It doesnt matter"?

Look, if you dont get something, then dont talk about the subject. Its easy.

Is Wonder Woman's speed being accounted for here also, or are we leaving that out?

She's been shown fast enough to be put on tier with Flash and Supes. "Speeds that only WE can reach."

That and like Supes and Flash, She's fast enough to vibrate herself invisible...

Originally posted by h1a8
There's no proof that Thor is stronger thus giving both the benefit of the doubt we say they are even here.

WW is fairly more skilled than Thor. This is because her martial art is superior to all known martial arts on Earth. Thor's art is not superior to most arts on Earth.

Thor has trouble been hit in the head by uber strong beings (like Hulk or Juggs). WW can be hit by an sun amped Superman from the Sun to the Earth, reenter the atmosphere, and super crash into the Earth making a huge crater. This alone proves that her physical blunt durability is at least equal to Thor's.

Also WW is about as old as Thor and thus has about the same amount of experience. So how does experience goes to Thor?

So Thor has 0 advantages in this fight. So how does he win? 😕

Would you stop using that one superman punch to judge her durability. Wonderwoman has been knocked out by far less force than that punch. You are indirectly implying dat if hulk hit wonderwoman multiple times in the hed she would hardly be affected which is bullshit. SS was taking hits/punches/smashes aimed to kill him from tenebrous and aegis and was not immediately koed. SS howevr has been hurt by the hulks continuous hits as well so using only one great durability feat is stupid.

Nextly WW is NOT as old as thor so he still gets the experience edge.

Wonderwoman really does not have many feats to show she cn fight at light speeds so i dont thik speed will be a factor and IMO thors is stronger and more durable so he wins

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Wonderwoman really does not have many feats to show she cn fight at light speeds so i dont thik speed will be a factor and IMO thors is stronger and more durable so he wins

What is it with people and fighting a FTL speeds?

Do people even get how fast light is? Even at a 10th of it's speed you're pwning biatches left and right in a slugfest.

Being slightly faster than an opponent is one thing...being VASTLY faster is a whole other story though.

Originally posted by Avlon
What is it with people and fighting a FTL speeds?

Do people even get how fast light is? Even at a 10th of it's speed you're pwning biatches left and right in a slugfest.

Being slightly faster than an opponent is one thing...being VASTLY faster is a whole other story though.

Really wondys feats do not give an acurrate account of HOW fat she was fighting. SO we dont know if she can fight at evn a tenth of light speed. Most of the feats are ambiguous and if we go by such then thor blocking a blured surfer gives him a great chance of nailing wonderwoman.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Really wondys feats do not give an acurrate account of HOW fat she was fighting. SO we dont know if she can fight at evn a tenth of light speed. Most of the feats are ambiguous and if we go by such then thor blocking a blured surfer gives him a great chance of nailing wonderwoman.

To run around the world at speeds comparable to flash, or vibrate invisible while watching someone you have to be pretty fast.

Originally posted by Avlon
To run around the world at speeds comparable to flash, or vibrate invisible while watching someone you have to be pretty fast.

I am not doubting her speed overall but her fighting speed in particular has never been accurately accounted for. In addition she hardly ever speedblitzes and evn when she does we dont know how fast she is going

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Would you stop using that one superman punch to judge her durability. Wonderwoman has been knocked out by far less force than that punch. You are indirectly implying dat if hulk hit wonderwoman multiple times in the hed she would hardly be affected which is bullshit. SS was taking hits/punches/smashes aimed to kill him from tenebrous and aegis and was not immediately koed. SS howevr has been hurt by the hulks continuous hits as well so using only one great durability feat is stupid.

Nextly WW is NOT as old as thor so he still gets the experience edge.

WW is thousands of years old my friend. How do you figure that he is necessarily older? Do you know both there exact ages?

WW is thousands of years old?

Originally posted by Mindset
WW is thousands of years old?

You didn't know?

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't know?

I knew the Amazons where around for thousands of years, does it say when WW was "born" though?

Originally posted by Mindset
I knew the Amazons where around for thousands of years, does it say when WW was "born" though?

A while ago, I've seen a scan showing WW saying that she is thousands of years old. I have no idea what comic that was though.

Originally posted by h1a8
Do you know what ethereal means? It means intangible, lacking material/mass and thus weight

Thats the reason the narration gives to describe how the mortals cant see the Serpent in a day to day life basis, sure.

The moment Thor engages in combat with the same, the globe is affected, and you can bet it wasent because of some etheral farts.

Originally posted by h1a8
The Midgard Serpent feat is debunked.

Only because of your inability in taking some statements with the context of the story?

Originally posted by h1a8
The armwrestling feat by Thor is not comparable since WW is said to be even stronger than D.C. Hercules. And there's no proof that Marvel Herc is stronger than D.C. Herc.
Thor didn't ever do the relevant things by himself. The midgard serpent thing doesn't prove anything. Until Thor is proven to do something she can't then he isn't [B]necessarily stronger. Use better logic.[/B]

Then you likely can provide me a list of things DC Hercules has done that his Marvel counterpart -couldnt possibly do-.

Seems to me you are using nothing but trollish tactics to avoid being confronted with what is in front of your nose, because some inevitable comparations dont make Wonder Woman as awesome as you think she is.

Originally posted by h1a8
Being assisted doesn't prove that you are weaker

When you need assist in a feat range against someone else who does the same without it?

Fail.

Originally posted by h1a8
But being assisted while another not being assisted in a comparable feat does prove you are weaker.

Bravo.

You have a comparable range of feat with the same object. One gets assistance to effect it, and the other doesnt. Seems to me, to be a good example to reach this kind of conclusion im providing.

Originally posted by h1a8
What is the theory of saying that WW's art is superior to all Earthly styles? It's a stated fact. Your argument is an inductive one (which is a weak type); it is also a faulty one. Thus your argument is a hot mess (no offense).

Yes, no offense, but you come off as blatantly ignorant in these matters.

It doesnt matter how good she is at martial arts compared with a D, C or B list of figthers. Most writers wont write her as better than the top cream group like Batman because thats theyr.s-t-i-c-h. Thats the revelant use they give to the most popular MA compared to the most popular top tiers.

Like that statement she is better than everyone else on Earth on that category? Batman has it. Lady Shiva has it. Richard Dragon has it. Bronze Tiger has it. Orion likely has it going by memory.

If you dont understand how comic rules apply, and how the characters are written you shouldnt debate this.

Originally posted by h1a8
Don't lie to yourself like that. I would bet a 100$ to a peanut that you know I read at least several Thor comics in my life. Otherwise it would be asinine to even debate against him with passion. Ask me how many Thor comics I have read and now own (through physical purchase). It's more than you think.

I dont need to.

Its blatantly nada. Like a vaccum devoid of life. And im exagerating so people get how its like to debate with you.

Originally posted by h1a8
John Byrne superman can press billions of tons. You didn't know?

So can Thor. And Hulk. And Hercules. But of course you know that, if you read such titles.

Originally posted by h1a8
Being weaker has nothing to do with what punch was thrown harder. A punch that knocks someone from the Sun (against the sun's gravity) to the Earth in seconds (FTL) is astronomically stronger than a punch that knocks someone several feat. So how in the hell is a sun-amped Superman weaker. It is pure fanboyism to even say such things without proof. How do you know how strong a sun-amped Superman is? Do you know that it was shown that a sun-dipped (several minutes) Superman can overpower thousands of galaxies right?

*shakes head*

Where have you read those stats? In da internetz? Overpowering Galaxies? At what, Poker?

On other boards by now you would be the target of the week. Smart up.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no absolute complete hierarchy (only the abstracts and cosmics hierarchy are in tact). Why? Because abc logic fails in general. Character A can be a better matchup for Character B than Character C is (by unique power set) but Character C can be in a higher league than than A. A weak example is Booster Gold can beat Superman with kryptonite doesn't mean that he is in Superman's league.

Its amazing how you try to switch the argument and trow plot devices as an ability to someone who doesnt own them in the first place - like Kriptonite to Booster Gold - when everyone knows that when you discuss hierarchy, you discuss someone`s inerehent powerset and abilities. Nothing else.

Yours its bogus and its bogus in every other board.

Tremedous Fail.

Originally posted by h1a8
Know that speed is Thor's kryptonite.

Not with Majolnir at hand, considering he has used it to repel faster figthers than him. Not that WW resorts to speed in such a way like say Spiderman often does.

Dragonball, she aint. Then again, no one in this thread is.

Originally posted by h1a8
Stop trying to be persuasive to the point it becomes lies. You were twisting up words, leaving out words, etc. You must use exact words or what you say is either ambiguous or a lie.

I was patient enough to quote everything you said in the first pages we debated. But enough is enough.

I guess, asking for objectivity and intelligence is too much these days, huh?

Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't matter as everyone here is using their character's
top feats to gauge their abilities (even you). It's fair game my friend.

WW is thousands of years old my friend. How do you figure that he is necessarily older? Do you know both there exact ages?

Thor and Hercules are at least both over 3000 years old.

The post crisis Wonder Woman isent that old. And the only way she even gets an exact account of a thousand of experience its because of the time she spent with Superman at Ragnarok.

Not that it matters for either characters, but why you hold up to this into trying to make Wonder Woman more formidable is beyond me.

Smart the alec up.

Originally posted by olympian
Thats the reason the narration gives to describe how the mortals cant see the Serpent in a day to day life basis, sure.

The moment Thor engages in combat with the same, the globe is affected, and you can bet it wasent because of some etheral farts.

The OHOTMU says "Jormungand, in ethereal form, constricted the planet with his coils, thereby magically causing widespread storm, earthquakes, floods, and landslides..."

Even the boat assisted Thor as it was pulling away.

Then you likely can provide me a list of things DC Hercules has done that his Marvel counterpart -couldnt possibly do-.
Seems to me you are using nothing but trollish tactics to avoid being confronted with what is in front of your nose, because some inevitable comparations dont make Wonder Woman as awesome as you think she is.

When you need assist in a feat range against someone else who does the same without it?

You have a comparable range of feat with the same object. One gets assistance to effect it, and the other doesnt. Seems to me, to be a good example to reach this kind of conclusion im providing.

Yes, no offense, but you come off as blatantly ignorant in these matters.

It doesnt matter how good she is at martial arts compared with a D, C or B list of figthers. Most writers wont write her as better than the top cream group like Batman because thats theyr.s-t-i-c-h. Thats the revelant use they give to the most popular MA compared to the most popular top tiers. If they won't have WW being better than batman then I guess they fukked up when they said her art is superior than all Earthly arts. The same way they fukked up when they had Spider-man say that Sentry stalemented Galactus.
[QUOTE][B]
Like that statement she is better than everyone else on Earth on that category? Batman has it. Lady Shiva has it. Richard Dragon has it. Bronze Tiger has it. Orion likely has it going by memory.

If you dont understand how comic rules apply, and how the characters are written you shouldnt debate this.

I dont need to.

Its blatantly nada. Like a vaccum devoid of life. And im exagerating so people get how its like to debate with you.

So can Thor. And Hulk. And Hercules. But of course you know that, if you read such titles.

*shakes head*

Where have you read those stats? In da internetz? Overpowering Galaxies? At what, Poker?

On other boards by now you would be the target of the week. Smart up.

Its amazing how you try to switch the argument and trow plot devices as an ability to someone who doesnt own them in the first place - like Kriptonite to Booster Gold - when everyone knows that when you discuss hierarchy, you discuss someone`s inerehent powerset and abilities. Nothing else.

Yours its bogus and its bogus in every other board.

Tremedous Fail.

Not with Majolnir at hand, considering he has used it to repel faster figthers than him. Not that WW resorts to speed in such a way like say Spiderman often does.

Dragonball, she aint. Then again, no one in this thread is.

Thor and Hercules are at least both over 3000 years old.

The post crisis Wonder Woman isent that old. And the only way she even gets an exact account of a thousand of experience its because of the time she spent with Superman at Ragnarok.

Not that it matters for either characters, but why you hold up to this into trying to make Wonder Woman more formidable is beyond me.

Smart the alec up.

WW is stronger or equal
WW is faster
WW is more skilled
WW is equal in punch durability

What exactly does Thor has that would make him win over WW? I can't see one thing.

Lastly, WW stated that she is thousands of years old in an earlier comic than the comic where Superman and her spent a thousand years together.

Originally posted by h1a8
Can't see has something to do with invisible, ethereal has nothing to do with invisible but intangible. You didn't see the people on Earth accidentally bumping into a big snake now did you?

No. But i see the whole globe shaking and being physically effected. Wich is what counts in this thread. Not some guy saying "My God, what a big Serpent that is!"

The point is how physically effected the Earth was to the struggle of strength between two subjects, not if the Serpent was spotted in a game of "Where is Wally" by a random guy.

Fail.

Originally posted by h1a8
The OHOTMU says "Jormungand, in ethereal form, constricted the planet with his coils, thereby [B]magically causing widespread storm, earthquakes, floods, and landslides..."[/B]

Thus effecting the globe. We know. Or at least, i know.

Originally posted by h1a8
Even the boat assisted Thor as it was pulling away.

He fished the worm. In that instance of the struggle, the boat wasent moving.

And the Serpent was trying to resist the pull, no less.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you ask the D.C. writer of Hercules do he think that he is weaker than Marvel Hercules. What do you think he would say? Answer: "I would say they're both equal if anything. I see no reason why one should be stronger than the other."

No real response then?

I told you to make me a list of what they have done in comic and compare them for a reason.

Originally posted by h1a8
True, but Thor didn't do the same without it.
Again, Thor, without assistance, never did anything WW, with assistance, did.

He has effected the globe without having someone considerable close or at least as strong as he is assisting him by his side.

Fail.

Originally posted by h1a8
Being good/or best on Earth is different than being better than any on Earth.

Now you are changing tunes.

You cleary mentioned how she was better at martial arts than anyone on Earth. Wich isent the case.

Originally posted by h1a8
If I send you a picture of me standing in front of all the Thor comics I have what would you say? I bet that you wouldn't bet anyone any significant amount of money that I never read a Thor comic (or even own one) before. Because you know you would lose. I don't think you're that stupid.

I would say, its a big fail to spend money on comics if you arent going to read them and be able to comprehend them.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't read Hercules comics (I've read some Avengers though) that much but my experience tells me that Thor can't lift billions of tons.

Your experience is wrong. There is no big tangible difference between Thor, Hercules and Superman. The one thing Superman got more is number of appearances. Thus a higher quantity of feat material.

If you stop reading internet myths, pick up the comics of all, and do a list of the LEVEL of feat ranges they have done, they all top at the planet effecting level in some way or another and rarely (meaning actually reraly) at some "absurd" cosmic effecting range like opening/closing dimensional rifs or something.

Its also about the quality of feats, not just quantity.

The problem of WW? She doesnt top like they do without assist.

Stop wasting money.

Originally posted by h1a8
Do you want me to prove that he overpowered thousands of galaxies when he sundipped for a few minutes?

Overpowered at what, again? Flying? Poker? Chess?

We are debating strength, here.

Originally posted by h1a8
I admit you got me there (see, I'm humble). That's probably why I said "weak example". But you clearly see that someone of a 'supposedly' lower hierarchy can beat someone of a higher one if they have the right tools. There should be plenty examples of this in the comics already.

Of course they can, and i agree.

But we arent talking in giving WW or Thor Kriptonite to defeat Superman. We are talking about inate ability, tools and powerset.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor would Godblast, antiforce blasts, etc. all day if he wants. But do you see him doing that in the comics?

True, he rarely does it.

Just like Superman and WW rarely use speed in a blitzzing manner to pummel someone to death.

Originally posted by h1a8
What exactly does Thor has that would make him win over WW? I can't see one thing.

Because you ignore what is obvious. If you didnt, you would welcome the challenge of similiar examples with an open mind. Badly, you do not.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lastly, WW stated that she is thousands of years old in an earlier comic than the comic where Superman and her spent a thousand years together.

And Hercules was stated in a Fantastic Four issue to be 5.000 years old. Marvel Thor if i gather is older than that.

They are still older than she is, and it still wont matter one thing for either character, so why you insist in one point that does not matter only to make the character you are defending look "more badass" than she is, is beyond me.

I mean, sure i get the "why", but its not like it actually works in the comic rules context.

Originally posted by olympian
No. But i see the whole globe shaking and being physically effected. Wich is what counts in this thread. Not some guy saying "My God, what a big Serpent that is!"

The point is how physically effected the Earth was to the struggle of strength between two subjects, not if the Serpent was spotted in a game of "Where is Wally" by a random guy.

Fail.

Thus effecting the globe. We know. Or at least, i know.

He fished the worm. In that instance of the struggle, the boat wasent moving.

And the Serpent was trying to resist the pull, no less.

No real response then?

I told you to make me a list of what they have done in comic and compare them for a reason.

He has effected the globe without having someone considerable close or at least as strong as he is assisting him by his side.

Fail.

Now you are changing tunes.

You cleary mentioned how she was better at martial arts than anyone on Earth. Wich isent the case.

I would say, its a big fail to spend money on comics if you arent going to read them and be able to comprehend them.

Your experience is wrong. There is no big tangible difference between Thor, Hercules and Superman. The one thing Superman got more is number of appearances. Thus a higher quantity of feat material.

If you stop reading internet myths, pick up the comics of all, and do a list of the LEVEL of feat ranges they have done, they all top at the planet effecting level in some way or another and rarely (meaning actually reraly) at some "absurd" cosmic effecting range like opening/closing dimensional rifs or something.

Its also about the quality of feats, not just quantity.

The problem of WW? She doesnt top like they do without assist.

Stop wasting money.

Overpowered at what, again? Flying? Poker? Chess?

We are debating strength, here.

Of course they can, and i agree.

But we arent talking in giving WW or Thor Kriptonite to defeat Superman. We are talking about inate ability, tools and powerset.

True, he rarely does it.

Just like Superman and WW rarely use speed in a blitzzing manner to pummel someone to death.

Because you ignore what is obvious. If you didnt, you would welcome the challenge of similiar examples with an open mind. Badly, you do not.

And Hercules was stated in a Fantastic Four issue to be 5.000 years old. Marvel Thor if i gather is older than that.

They are still older than she is, and it still wont matter one thing for either character, so why you insist in one point that does not matter only to make the character you are defending look "more badass" than she is, is beyond me.

I mean, sure i get the "why", but its not like it actually works in the comic rules context.

Your losing.
I just proved that the serpent was 'magically' and not physically causing Earthquakes, storms, etc. Why do you think the author put 'ethereal' in the panel? Do you think that something ethereal can have mass and thus weight? Please answer these.

Also, Thor needs the boat to move away to pull the serpents head. If the boat doesn't move then he can only pull the serpents head a few feet (the length of his arms), which isn't enough to pull the entire Serpent's head off the Earth.

You misunderstand me about the good/best on Earth thing. Please reread it. It implies that WW is better than any on Earth (even the best). What's greater, the best on Earth or better than any on Earth? WW is the latter.

No one knows exactly how old Diana is. She could be 10,000 years old for all we know. Thus it can't be proven as to who is older. Thus this should be dropped since there's no solution.

Why don't you start a poll on who is the stronger? Give three options.
1. Thor is significantly stronger 2. WW is significantly stronger 3. Not much apart from each other to make a significant difference. Then make another (optional) to see who is more durable to punches or blunt force. Give three options here too.

Anyway it is clear to me that WW wins over Thor in h2h since she has the majority of the advantages and Thor doesn't have any advantage.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your losing.
I just proved that the serpent was 'magically' and not physically causing Earthquakes, storms, etc. Why do you think the author put 'ethereal' in the panel? Do you think that something ethereal can have mass and thus weight? Please answer these

The Serpent being etheral is merely the explanation as to why the mortal world isent aware of the Serpent`s existance. The moment the struggle started, the globe was being effected. The Serpent being made of magic isent the key, what is important is how the struggle between Thor`s strength and the Worm was effecting an object like the Earth. And the struggle as obvious as it may seem, was real, it happened.

To draw it as it was: it doesnt matter if the mortal world couldnt see the Serpent, it matters that her struggle and resistance against Thor was effecting the world in a way that everyone was feeling it (physically) even if they couldnt see themselves the reason of it.

It was all showed on panel pretty clear, so what am i losing other than the patience for so much ignorance?

Originally posted by h1a8
Also, Thor needs the boat to move away to pull the serpents head. If the boat doesn't move then he can only pull the serpents head a few feet (the length of his arms), which isn't enough to pull the entire Serpent's head off the Earth.

When he fished the Serpent the boat was floating still.

Fail.

Originally posted by h1a8
You misunderstand me about the good/best on Earth thing. Please reread it. It implies that WW is better than any on Earth (even the best). What's greater, the best on Earth or better than any on Earth? WW is the latter.

Its ok, you dont get it. I already got THAT.

Originally posted by h1a8
No one knows exactly how old Diana is. She could be 10,000 years old for all we know. Thus it can't be proven as to who is older. Thus this should be dropped since there's no solution.

She was on her 20`s when the post crisis reboot started.

Add a 1000 year of worth with Asgard, and Thor and Hercules are still at the very least twice as older. But like i said, other than you trying to make one certain character look more badass, this crap doesnt matter.

Stop hitting against the wall, please. Yes drop it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why don't you start a poll on who is the stronger? Give three options.
1. Thor is significantly stronger 2. WW is significantly stronger 3. Not much apart from each other to make a significant difference. Then make another (optional) to see who is more durable to punches or blunt force. Give three options here too

I advise you something even better. Go to every board you know of and make that poll and see what the majority answers

Wonderwoman 9/10