Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't matter as everyone here is using their character's
top feats to gauge their abilities (even you). It's fair game my friend.WW is thousands of years old my friend. How do you figure that he is necessarily older? Do you know both there exact ages?
Actually i never used a single thor feat to guage his durability. You have said nay times you believe thor is more durable than the surfer( which is completely false), However if we go ONLY by the surfers top feats( Taking multiple KILLING shots from TWO GALCTUS LEVEL BEINGS and still fighting) then he is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY ahead of thor/superman/ evrybody short of thanos durability wise. Really that feat alone puts him on par with thanos durability wise considering that thanos has been dropped on his ass by one galctus blast before. Howver it is better to use their consistent durability showings ( barring PIS however) hence the reason i put thor above wondy durability wise
Originally posted by olympianEthereal doesn't mean invisible. Are you trying to convince me that the author didn't know what ethereal meant when he could have just used 'invisible'? And who says the Serpent is made of magic? Being made of magic has nothing to do with magically effecting something.
.The Serpent being etheral is merely the explanation as to why the mortal world isent aware of the Serpent`s existance. The moment the struggle started, the globe was being effected. The Serpent being made of magic isent the key, what is important is how the struggle between Thor`s strength and the Worm was effecting an object like the Earth. And the struggle as obvious as it may seem, was real, it happened.
The struggle had no effect on the World. The serpent was effecting the world before the struggle. Hell, the Earth didn't even budge from its orbit. Common sense should tell you that if someone is pulling something that is wrapped around something then that object is going to move too. And I said only the head materialized (not the body) as the handbook says. My argument is not that they couldn't see it but they couldn't feel it either (hence ethereal).
To draw it as it was: it doesnt matter if the mortal world couldnt see the Serpent, it matters that her struggle and resistance against Thor was effecting the world in a way that everyone was feeling it (physically) even if they couldnt see themselves the reason of it.
No! Succeed. I'm talking about him pulling the Serpent off the Earth (not fishing it).When he fished the Serpent the boat was floating still.
Fail.
Then why in the hell did she claim that she was thousands of years old in a comic before the Ragnarok incident?
She was on her 20`s when the post crisis reboot started.Add a 1000 year of worth with Asgard, and Thor and Hercules are still at the very least twice as older. But like i said, other than you trying to make one certain character look more badass, this crap doesnt matter.
Stop hitting against the wall, please. Yes drop it.
Originally posted by h1a8
No! Succeed. I'm talking about him pulling the Serpent off the Earth (not fishing it).
How can Thor pull a snake that's longer than the circumference of the
Earth completely into space if he is only to move his arms a few feet?
The boat was moving away in assistance. You are losing my respect if you can't see this common sense.
If he's strong enough, he'll pull the snake so hard that it'll be thrown off.
Go get 2 feet of rope, lay it across the ground and pull it as hard as you can.....
Originally posted by llagrok
If he's strong enough, he'll pull the snake so hard that it'll be thrown off.Go get 2 feet of rope, lay it across the ground and pull it as hard as you can.....
Thor struggled with the snake; he didn't throw anything. The snake was wrapped completely around, far different than rope laying across the ground.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor struggled with the snake; he didn't throw anything. The snake was wrapped completely around, far different than rope laying across the ground.
Yes, Thor had a hell of a time getting it loose.
The snake was destroying the planet, Thor pulled all he had and eventually the snake came off.
Originally posted by h1a8
You mean real world common sense.
Wich doenst apply in a fictional world where a God is using a line from a flying boat in open space to fish a giant worm off the Earth that no one else but him can see but feel.
Why are you here, h1A8? To debate what you cant seem to understand?
Originally posted by h1a8
Then why in the hell did she claim that she was thousands of years old in a comic before the Ragnarok incident?
Because she was on weed. It happens.
Doesnt matter how old she is, when in her moderm inclusion she was in her 20`s as per first appearance, while Hercules and Thor at Marvel wer already 5.000 years old. She cant be older. Thats that. It wont matter one bit but as a piece of trivia she just isent older.
Stop wasting time debating bollucks that wont matter, only to make her more than what she is.
Originally posted by olympianSince we can't use common logical sense to show that the boat had to be pulling away then I just we can't use common logical sense to show that the serpent's body weighed anything. 🙄
Wich doenst apply in a fictional world where a God is using a line from a flying boat in open space to fish a giant worm off the Earth that no one else but him can see but feel.
Prove to me that she was in her 20's. I don't believe it since I know what I saw.
Because she was on weed. It happens.Doesnt matter how old she is, when in her moderm inclusion she was in her 20`s as per first appearance, while Hercules and Thor at Marvel wer already 5.000 years old. She cant be older. Thats that. It wont matter one bit but as a piece of trivia she just isent older.
You haven't proven that she was in her 20's which is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe you misinterpreted the comic. It probably was saying that though she is thousands of years old she possess the apparent age of that of someone in their 20's. The same as Logan being over 100 but resembling a 30-40 something year old.
Stop wasting time debating bollucks that wont matter, only to make her more than what she is.
Originally posted by AvlonWonder Woman's travelling speed means nothing in a slugfest. Besides your scan is more reasonably read that Superman and Flash are on another level entirely from Wonder Woman, considering that Superman and Flash are zooming around in China and Egypt respectively and Wonder Woman is... still in the same park they were originally at. That kind of made me lol. Wonder Woman is nowhere near Flash's level of combat speed and even she is painfully aware of that fact:
Is Wonder Woman's speed being accounted for here also, or are we leaving that out?She's been shown fast enough to be put on tier with Flash and Supes. "Speeds that only WE can reach."
That and like Supes and Flash, She's fast enough to vibrate herself invisible...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wonder Woman's travelling speed means nothing in a slugfest. Besides your scan is more reasonably read that Superman and Flash are on another level entirely from Wonder Woman, considering that Superman and Flash are zooming around in China and Egypt respectively and Wonder Woman is... still in the same park they were originally at. That kind of made me lol.
Hahaha.
I never noticed that before, but it really does look like Diana is in the very same park. 😆 😆 😆
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wonder Woman's travelling speed means nothing in a slugfest. Besides your scan is more reasonably read that Superman and Flash are on another level entirely from Wonder Woman, considering that Superman and Flash are zooming around in China and Egypt respectively and Wonder Woman is... still in the same park they were originally at. That kind of made me lol. Wonder Woman is nowhere near Flash's level of combat speed and even she is painfully aware of that fact:
Why wouldn't WW's speed mean anything in a h2h fight? It's does when she is blocking rapid fire or Laser beams with her bracelets. You have to consider the speed a single bullet can travel at and the time it would take for her to be able to meet the bullet and block it. It think punching and kicking work the same way here.
Originally posted by thadarknite84Well, I actually meant her travelling speed wouldn't mean anything here. Same as Thor's travelling speed wouldn't mean anything. As for your other argument, Thor has also rapidly spun Mjolnir to block bullets and heat vision and also batted away bullets with Mjolnir (not just spinning). I personally don't think that Wonder Woman's blocking stuff and Thor's blocking stuff necessarily translates to them punching and kicking at the same rate.
Why wouldn't WW's speed mean anything in a h2h fight? It's does when she is blocking rapid fire or Laser beams with her bracelets. You have to consider the speed a single bullet can travel at and the time it would take for her to be able to meet the bullet and block it. It think punching and kicking work the same way here.
It's arguable, but considering that neither Wonder Woman, nor Thor have ever really speedblitzed anybody with a flurry of punches and kicks, I think it's more reasonable to assume that their reflexes are that fast, but not necessarily their combat sense. Like the speed from Hermes kicks in when Wonder Woman is threatened by fast projectiles and Asgardian immortal magic kicks in when Thor is threatened by fast projectiles. But attacking with concerted punches and kicks? Not to the same extent. Like I said, it's arguable, but they never do it. And there's been certainly plenty of opponents they could have done it to. Having never seen it even once, I'm inclined to believe they can utilize great speed in defensive parries, but not offensive thrusts.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Well, I actually meant her travelling speed wouldn't mean anything here. Same as Thor's travelling speed wouldn't mean anything. As for your other argument, Thor has also rapidly spun Mjolnir to block bullets and heat vision and also batted away bullets with Mjolnir (not just spinning). I personally don't think that Wonder Woman's blocking stuff and Thor's blocking stuff necessarily translates to them punching and kicking at the same rate.It's arguable, but considering that neither Wonder Woman, nor Thor have ever really speedblitzed anybody with a flurry of punches and kicks, I think it's more reasonable to assume that their reflexes are that fast, but not necessarily their combat sense. Like the speed from Hermes kicks in when Wonder Woman is threatened by fast projectiles and Asgardian immortal magic kicks in when Thor is threatened by fast projectiles. But attacking with concerted punches and kicks? Not to the same extent. Like I said, it's arguable, but they never do it. And there's been certainly plenty of opponents they could have done it to. Having never seen it even once, I'm inclined to believe they can utilize great speed in defensive parries, but not offensive thrusts.
I understand what you're saying. But at the same time. Blocking is apart of fighting. It's involves skill, and they both have it. I think the reason why you don't see them fighting at that speed is because no one they fight ever forces them to do so. That has to be taken into consideration.
Originally posted by thadarknite84I do take it into consideration, but I don't think it's as simple as that. It kinda sounds more like an excuse. Because they sure have been in a lot of situations that would have called for that level of combat speed. They've both been pushed to the brink several times. Flash, Zoom, amped-Cheetah for Wonder Woman and Gladiator, Balder, Hermes for Thor.
I understand what you're saying. But at the same time. Blocking is apart of fighting. It's involves skill, and they both have it. I think the reason why you don't see them fighting at that speed is because no one they fight ever forces them to do so. That has to be taken into consideration.
Fact: They've never on-panel punched and kicked at the same FTL speeds as they do when they defend and parry. Fact: They've fought a lot of speedster opponents and historically speaking, they don't match their combat speed. Fact: They've both stated on-panel that they have great difficulty with speedster opponents.
I'd like to think Wonder Woman and Thor could have FTL combat speeds. But at the same time, they've never demonstrated them. And that's key for me. Besides, several things seem to contradict that they could. And actually, if you care to know, I am of the opinion that Wonder Woman has a bit better combat speed than Thor. I also think her melee skills are more suited for this fight and she has an advantage there. I personally think Wonder Woman is very underrated. But compared to Thor's experience advantage, strength advantage and durability advantage... I'd pick Thor for a slight majority. I have seen him beast without Mjolnir.
Thor 6/10.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I do take it into consideration, but I don't think it's as simple as that. It kinda sounds more like an excuse. Because they sure have been in a lot of situations that would have called for that level of combat speed. They've both been pushed to the brink several times. Flash, Zoom, amped-Cheetah for Wonder Woman and Gladiator, Balder, Hermes for Thor.Fact: They've never on-panel punched and kicked at the same FTL speeds as they do when they defend and parry. Fact: They've fought a lot of speedster opponents and historically speaking, they don't match their combat speed. Fact: They've both stated on-panel that they have great difficulty with speedster opponents.
I'd like to think Wonder Woman and Thor could have FTL combat speeds. But at the same time, they've never demonstrated them. And that's key for me. Besides, several things seem to contradict that they could. And actually, if you care to know, I am of the opinion that Wonder Woman has a bit better combat speed than Thor. I also think her melee skills are more suited for this fight and she has an advantage there. I personally think Wonder Woman is very underrated. But compared to Thor's experience advantage, strength advantage and durability advantage... I'd pick Thor for a slight majority. I have seen him beast without Mjolnir.
Thor 6/10.
So for the 4/10 wins you gave to WW, how do you see her taking those wins?
Originally posted by h1a8
Since we can't use common logical sense to show that the boat had to be pulling away then I just we can't use common logical sense to show that the serpent's body weighed anything. 🙄
We arent talking on how much the Serpent weigthed, blueballs. No number is asserted, and its not even important. This only goes to show how you dont even know what is being debated.
All that matters is what Thor`s strength in a struggle did compared with what the strength of WW hasent done so far. Or it HAS but only with ASSISTS. Get another hobby. Like fishing. It doesnt take much to understand fishing from what i hear.
Originally posted by h1a8
ou haven't proven that she was in her 20's which is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe you misinterpreted the comic. It probably was saying that though she is thousands of years old she possess the apparent age of that of someone in their 20's. The same as Logan being over 100 but resembling a 30-40 something year old.
And if that was still the case, she still wouldnt be older than Thor or Hercules because she hasent been in events that spanned over five thousands years like they have, has she?
Not.that.it.matters.shit.in.comics.so.why.are.you.wasting.posts?
Damn, im starting to think you have serious comprehension problems.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
Why wouldn't WW's speed mean anything in a h2h fight? It's does when she is blocking rapid fire or Laser beams with her bracelets. You have to consider the speed a single bullet can travel at and the time it would take for her to be able to meet the bullet and block it. It think punching and kicking work the same way here.
It doesnt mean anything because, wheter her reaction time is good or not, her slugfest examples arent any different of bricks who are by supossition slower.
Originally posted by olympian
We arent talking on how much the Serpent weigthed, blueballs. No number is asserted, and its not even important. This only goes to show how you dont even know what is being debated.All that matters is what Thor`s strength in a struggle did compared with what the strength of WW hasent done so far. Or it HAS but only with ASSISTS. Get another hobby. Like fishing. It doesnt take much to understand fishing from what i hear.
And if that was still the case, she still wouldnt be older than Thor or Hercules because she hasent been in events that spanned over five thousands years like they have, has she?
Not.that.it.matters.shit.in.comics.so.why.are.you.wasting.posts?
Damn, im starting to think you have serious comprehension problems.
It doesnt mean anything because, wheter her reaction time is good or not, her slugfest examples arent any different of bricks who are by supossition slower.
WW can go blow for blow with him. She is faster, and a better fighter. Superman is stronger than WW. But I've seen WW put big blue on his ass before. I think she even defeated Darkseid once. You thinking that reaction time doesn't matter in h2h fight, makes no sense all at. So what about in boxing or football. Both are physical sports. Their strength and durability can be debated. But WW is clearly faster and she has the better fighting skills. Roy Jones Jr is a perfect example of why speed, reaction time, and better skills matter is a fight with someone who may be bigger or stronger.
