Originally posted by leonidas
you should know better than to bring up non-canon material. nuff said.expelled 2 universes of energy, eh? proof?
to use your own point -- those 2 universes of energy (proof?) don't seem to be enough to get him a win over the pedestrian juggernaut. even ww hulk couldn't get the advantage over him.
if you don't believe the words of the character, not much i can do for you.
and? he was driven mad by simply absorbing large amounts of energy from earth's sun! he was driven so nuts in infinity crusade he couldn't even find his own way to his target! and he didn't even absorb nearly the full sun. he also failed to absorb the ego infestation -- quasar had to deal with that. his limits have been firmly established and they are <<mjollnir.
it's wrong, but that is certainly your perogative.
i'm not even sure what the heck this means. thor wouldn't be blasting him with anything -- he'd be absorbing energy from him. you just don't believe mjollnir -- a skyfather level weapon -- is capable of absorbing his energy. and to that i can only say . . . 🤨
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that's a classic the ss guys bring up. but do they ever mention ss's admitting that mjollnir>ss? or how thor battled (and held BACK) against an AMPED ss who also had loki's powers? no, funny that they usually leave that part out . . .
you're wrong on all counts. the god blast>anything sentry has shown and very likely IS on zom's level. strange himself has been shocked by thor's power and been shown to be an approximate match at times for loki. thor>>loki.
the whole 'infinite energy' is all well and good in theory but it has never been demonstrated in any practical sense. ss can and HAS very easily drained him and made him change to banner. thor could do exactly the same thing.
your perogative of course. you raise some good points. i like hulk. but based on what thor has been shown to accomplish with his hammer, i think he could drain hulk enough to be able to take him out. massive energy drain, blast it back x100 strength, follow with godblast for good measure. all long range. thor STILL has too much versatility imo.
proof of nexus energies and on-panel statement of 2 universes of energies flowing through Hulk?
Heroes Return.
the infinite energy thing has practical effect, it's why Hulk manages to do things Thor won't and can't, such as beating up on the most powerful physical manifestation of Onslaught, like rending dimensional barriers by physically punching at them, like holding a planet together. Hulk's strength feats just have no limitations. Thor's quite obviously do.
Thor has faced off against Hulk many many times and never been shown to drain Hulk, even though he's often desired not to fight him or to end a confrontation quickly. Surfer has frequently siphoned gamma, I've never seen Thor do it and I doubt he can. he might be able to absorb some of the energies that Hulk will bathe the entire battlefield with, but that's going to require Thor's concentration and more importantly it's going to take Mjolnir out of the battle - because it will have to be absorbing the energies - whilst Hulk will be free to pummel Thor without any let up in terms of the energies he is throwing out or in terms of the exponentially increasing strength of his attacks.
I don't have anything against Thor but I find that people seriously do, often intentionally, under-estimate the phenomenal power and abilities that The Hulk represents.
as for the idea that Mjolnir/WM Thor is Zom level ❌... seriously not worth it ❌.
Zom was Strange's last resort, a desperate move to try and fight Hulk with strength and power - power clearly beyond Strange's control.
Hulk not only took Zom/Strange's barrage but, with a mere 3 punches, he KO'd Zom/Strange, leaving the "essence of Zom" to flee and seek out a host to help it reacquire the power that Strange had used up fighting Hulk (hence when Cho became the host, Angel KO'd it).
if all it took was mjolnir's/Thor's level of power to fight Hulk, Strange would never have lost control, never have stated that he couldn't control "so much power". Strange got a taste of the kinds of powers that Hulk keeps suppressed and Strange was humiliated by the fact that he could not control that kind of power, that he was more of a brute and threat with that level of power than the Hulk that he and the illuminati banished was. read that fight again, seriously.
regarding the instance were Surfer said that Thor was more powerful, that was a very very weak Surfer, during his banishment to Earth, who frequently said that he was a lot less powerful than he had been. since then Surfer has gone so far beyond Thor it's not even a debate. Surfer could actually hurt and survive an attack by characters of the level of Galactus, Thor could never do that (PIS/starving Galactus aside).
