SSJ hulk vs warrior mad thor

Woah when did you come back?

Originally posted by janus77
you do?
fascinating, prey tell how WM Thor wins or even gets much of a shot in, against Hulk when bfr is eliminated from the options and when Hulk's spewing gamma continent wide?

what's he going to do? hit him with the mallet? GodBlast? the same attack that did jack to Juggernaut?

I was attacking your assesment that other than flight Thor has nothing even out of warrior madness mode.

Originally posted by FearOfBlood
World Breaker wins 10 out of 10. Easy.

Okay I'm going to take a crack at this.

Guys, I'm a street level operative, so if I'm way off base please be easy on me.

Okay, While I think that there has been some excellent speculation from both sides of the debate, I also think that most of that speculation has been strictly bias.

I would venture to say that Hulk does draw his energy from an infinite power source. I think that aside from being an attribute that'd be consistent with his representation of madder=stronger, it's been alluded to enough times to simply be written off as nonsense.

I DO however think there's limits to the strength Hulk can attain given whatever personality he's using at the moment. One of the reasons he was so powerful in the Onslaught battle was because of the fact that he had outside help allowing him to let go of some psychological restraints that were previously holding him back. Whether he reached the apex of his power at that point or could have continued is speculation either way, but there's a good point brought up in that he was the only one who was able to confront Onslaught on a physical level at that moment.

The armor cracking. Impressive though it is... and, it IS impressive, the story did seem to imply that Onslaught had no interest in keeping it as he had ascended. I've also seen convincing arguments that Onslaught let it happen so that he COULD ascend. So it seems as an ambiguous thing to use against Thor in support of Hulk.

With his energy. It's not "limitless". The source he may be drawing energy from "could" be, but the amount he's able to retain in one Hulk manifestion can't be. As pointed out, we've seen him hit physical limits (even if it's been due to psychological issues), AND we've seen SS draw on his energy as well.

With Moljinir, Thor has been shown to draw out energy sources both physical and spectoral. While I think it's reasonable to question why he hasn't done the SS energy drain tactic on Hulk possibly because he couldn't, I don't think it's reasonable to answer that question by asserting that Moljinir's incapable of such a feat. Given the omnipotent origin of the tool itself one can most reasonably assume that Gamma radiation is well within the scope of it's abilities to manipulate.

All that said, this is warrior madness Thor, and if CIS has played a part in him failing to take advantage of such an incredibly powerful dues ex as Moljinir in his past fights with the green goliath, I fail to see how that's going to change here.

On one hand, we've seen that Moljinir's one of the most effective "hulk whackers" to date when it comes to putting the big guy down with blasts. On the other, we've seen multiple times that Thor's a bit over his head when it comes to dealing with Hulk using fisticuffs.

So... If he uses his versatility he should win. But given WM I think CIS would play a factor in him and Hulk getting into some toe to toe action, and the longer that kind of fight lasts between the two, the worse things get for Thor.

Pak claimed that "Thor wouldn't want to be in the Sentry's shoes" or some crap like that. Not that he writes Thor.

Thor has recently received a major upgrade in the physical department.

Did anyone AT ALL read Disassembled? Thor physically killed a guy, who the Surfer was forced to BFR in time in order to beat. Not to mention his skirmish with Loki and Fenris.

In that same arc Cap was giving Fenris problems.. I don't think they would have faired much better against "ssj" Hulk so I'm not sure what that proves.

Originally posted by jinzin
Okay I'm going to take a crack at this.

Guys, I'm a street level operative, so if I'm way off base please be easy on me.

Okay, While I think that there has been some excellent speculation from both sides of the debate, I also think that most of that speculation has been strictly bias.

I would venture to say that Hulk does draw his energy from an infinite power source. I think that aside from being an attribute that'd be consistent with his representation of madder=stronger, it's been alluded to enough times to simply be written off as nonsense.

I DO however think there's limits to the strength Hulk can attain given whatever personality he's using at the moment. One of the reasons he was so powerful in the Onslaught battle was because of the fact that he had outside help allowing him to let go of some psychological restraints that were previously holding him back. Whether he reached the apex of his power at that point or could have continued is speculation either way, but there's a good point brought up in that he was the only one who was able to confront Onslaught on a physical level at that moment.

The armor cracking. Impressive though it is... and, it IS impressive, the story did seem to imply that Onslaught had no interest in keeping it as he had ascended. I've also seen convincing arguments that Onslaught let it happen so that he COULD ascend. So it seems as an ambiguous thing to use against Thor in support of Hulk.

With his energy. It's not "limitless". The source he may be drawing energy from "could" be, but the amount he's able to retain in one Hulk manifestion can't be. As pointed out, we've seen him hit physical limits (even if it's been due to psychological issues), AND we've seen SS draw on his energy as well.

With Moljinir, Thor has been shown to draw out energy sources both physical and spectoral. While I think it's reasonable to question why he hasn't done the SS energy drain tactic on Hulk possibly because he couldn't, I don't think it's reasonable to answer that question by asserting that Moljinir's incapable of such a feat. Given the omnipotent origin of the tool itself one can most reasonably assume that Gamma radiation is well within the scope of it's abilities to manipulate.

All that said, this is warrior madness Thor, and if CIS has played a part in him failing to take advantage of such an incredibly powerful dues ex as Moljinir in his past fights with the green goliath, I fail to see how that's going to change here.

On one hand, we've seen that Moljinir's one of the most effective "hulk whackers" to date when it comes to putting the big guy down with blasts. On the other, we've seen multiple times that Thor's a bit over his head when it comes to dealing with Hulk using fisticuffs.

So... If he uses his versatility he should win. But given WM I think CIS would play a factor in him and Hulk getting into some toe to toe action, and the longer that kind of fight lasts between the two, the worse things get for Thor.

Lulz... stupid idiot. 🙂

Originally posted by batdude123
Lulz... stupid idiot. 🙂

Dammit!

hulk

world breaker hulk goes broly on his @$$.

I don't know about you, but when meik said what he said to the hulk,
i thought he reached his strength limit.....though that strength could very well break anyone below odin.

It was a cool moment in comics IMO because for the first time a character accualy said stop me before I break the world. he begged for something to stop him from imanintly owning earth.

Thor for the majority

Originally posted by jinzin
Okay I'm going to take a crack at this.

Guys, I'm a street level operative, so if I'm way off base please be easy on me.

Okay, While I think that there has been some excellent speculation from both sides of the debate, I also think that most of that speculation has been strictly bias.

I would venture to say that Hulk does draw his energy from an infinite power source. I think that aside from being an attribute that'd be consistent with his representation of madder=stronger, it's been alluded to enough times to simply be written off as nonsense.

I DO however think there's limits to the strength Hulk can attain given whatever personality he's using at the moment. One of the reasons he was so powerful in the Onslaught battle was because of the fact that he had outside help allowing him to let go of some psychological restraints that were previously holding him back. Whether he reached the apex of his power at that point or could have continued is speculation either way, but there's a good point brought up in that he was the only one who was able to confront Onslaught on a physical level at that moment.

The armor cracking. Impressive though it is... and, it IS impressive, the story did seem to imply that Onslaught had no interest in keeping it as he had ascended. I've also seen convincing arguments that Onslaught let it happen so that he COULD ascend. So it seems as an ambiguous thing to use against Thor in support of Hulk.

With his energy. It's not "limitless". The source he may be drawing energy from "could" be, but the amount he's able to retain in one Hulk manifestion can't be. As pointed out, we've seen him hit physical limits (even if it's been due to psychological issues), AND we've seen SS draw on his energy as well.

With Moljinir, Thor has been shown to draw out energy sources both physical and spectoral. While I think it's reasonable to question why he hasn't done the SS energy drain tactic on Hulk possibly because he couldn't, I don't think it's reasonable to answer that question by asserting that Moljinir's incapable of such a feat. Given the omnipotent origin of the tool itself one can most reasonably assume that Gamma radiation is well within the scope of it's abilities to manipulate.

All that said, this is warrior madness Thor, and if CIS has played a part in him failing to take advantage of such an incredibly powerful dues ex as Moljinir in his past fights with the green goliath, I fail to see how that's going to change here.

On one hand, we've seen that Moljinir's one of the most effective "hulk whackers" to date when it comes to putting the big guy down with blasts. On the other, we've seen multiple times that Thor's a bit over his head when it comes to dealing with Hulk using fisticuffs.

So... If he uses his versatility he should win. But given WM I think CIS would play a factor in him and Hulk getting into some toe to toe action, and the longer that kind of fight lasts between the two, the worse things get for Thor.

no wonder you stick to debating street guys. 😐

Originally posted by leonidas
no wonder you stick to debating street guys. 😐

🙁

y'know something constructive would be helpful... 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
🙁

y'know something constructive would be helpful... 😬

🙁

you have nice sentence structure . . . 😬

heh.

i agree with almost everything you said. in wm mode thor may well opt for h2h. if he does, he loses -- badly. but there are very few instances showing warrior madness, so it's hard to say with any real certainty how a wm thor would battle someone of this level. 'mad' doesn't mean stupid, or 'willing to get his arse kicked', nor does it necessarily mean he fights like a tard, though some have said as much.

could hulk win? of course. i just happen to think thor's versatility still gives him the egde.

so, yeah. good post as usual. 😉

Originally posted by leonidas
🙁

you have nice sentence structure . . . 😬

heh.

i agree with almost everything you said. in wm mode thor may well opt for h2h. if he does, he loses -- badly. but there are very few instances showing warrior madness, so it's hard to say with any real certainty how a wm thor would battle someone of this level. 'mad' doesn't mean stupid, or 'willing to get his arse kicked', nor does it necessarily mean he fights like a tard, though some have said as much.

could hulk win? of course. i just happen to think thor's versatility still gives him the egde.

so, yeah. good post as usual. 😉

I agree that Thor's versatility is too much for Hulk to overcome, I just don't know if his versatility is something that'd be implemented in this thread given the circumstances.

Wm Thor beat Surfer PIS or not.That's a feat none of the Hulk incarnations were able replicate.

If this is Warrior Madness Thor as we've seen him in the past, I'd give the win to the Hulk.

If this is current Thor gone Warrior Mad, well, it's anyone's guess.

Originally posted by Estacado
Wm Thor beat Surfer PIS or not.That's a feat none of the Hulk incarnations were able replicate.

Well, Hulk has rather handily tossed SS aside like garbage. And Namor at the same time if I'm not mistaken. But SS has way too much versatility over Hulk for Hulk to take him.

Lol *remembers Planet Hulk*

Originally posted by jinzin
Well, Hulk has rather handily tossed SS aside like garbage. And Namor at the same time if I'm not mistaken. But SS has way too much versatility over Hulk for Hulk to take him.

Lol *remembers Planet Hulk*

Originally posted by jinzin
Well, Hulk has rather handily tossed SS aside like garbage. And Namor at the same time if I'm not mistaken. But SS has way too much versatility over Hulk for Hulk to take him.

Lol *remembers Planet Hulk*

And Planet Hulk had circumstances. 😬