SSJ hulk vs warrior mad thor

Started by Xplosive6 pages
Originally posted by leonidas
to use your own point -- those 2 universes of energy (proof?) don't seem to be enough to get him a win over the pedestrian juggernaut. even ww hulk couldn't get the advantage over him.

WWH after Miek statement would own Juggernaut and would own him easily.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Even the writer himself stated that Thor with the full Odinforce wouldn't stand a chance against this version of Hulk.

Really?
So Hulk is beyond skyfather level now? I only remember writer said that in that moment Superman would lose against Hulk physically (except if you give me the quote). And even if he said so, we know he isn't.

Now, apparently Hulk could go against Tyrant I guess, and actually win.

Wow. Come on. Who is kidding who. He would own Thor, but he wouldn't stand a chance against King Thor.

Originally posted by janus77
[B]Zom was Strange's last resort, a desperate move to try and fight Hulk with strength and power

You forgot to mention it was only a fraction of Zom powers.

Originally posted by Xplosive
WWH after Miek statement would own Juggernaut and would own him easily.

Really?
So Hulk is beyond skyfather level now? I only remember writer said that in that moment Superman would lose against Hulk physically (except if you give me the quote). And even if he said so, we know he isn't.

Now, apparently Hulk could go against Tyrant I guess, and actually win.

Wow. Come on. Who is kidding who. He would own Thor, but he wouldn't stand a chance against King Thor.

You forgot to mention it was only a fraction of Zom powers.


every time I mention Zom/Strange, I assume people know that. Strange was channeling Zom, getting a fraction of Zom's power in order to take on Hulk. I think I've stated all this time and again, when discussing/debating WWH related fights.

and yeah, Pak has stated that "SSJ" Hulk would beat Superman, that he would be too much for Thor too ...

but that's Pak's view and he's welcome to it and if Marvel/DC ever put it on-panel that'll be my main argument, instead of just going with feats and the character's powerset as revealed in comics through narration and illustration.

This is lame The Hulk is not a sky father level character Thor would pound him into the earth easily.

Originally posted by skyfather
wm thor went toe to toe with thanos

And what gives you an idea that WWH wouldn't be able to go toe to toe against Thanos?
And no, Thanos isn't >>>>>Onslaught.

Originally posted by janus77
and yeah, Pak has stated that "SSJ" Hulk would beat Superman, that he would be too much for Thor too ...

I agree that WWH would be too much for Thor but that Thor with a full Odinforce wouldn't stand a chance, well, then Pak is kidding himself.
Because he isn't and hasn't shown nothing to be in his league.

I am now waiting to be said that WWH would be too much for the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by iceman24567
This is lame The Hulk is not a sky father level character Thor would pound him into the earth easily.

you prefaced the substance of your point with a pithy summary, thank you ✅.

Originally posted by Xplosive
And what gives you an idea that WWH wouldn't be able to go toe to toe against Thanos?
And no, Thanos isn't >>>>>Onslaught.

I agree that WWH would be too much for Thor but that Thor with a full Odinforce wouldn't stand a chance, well, then Pak is kidding himself.
Because he isn't and hasn't shown nothing to be in his league.

I am now waiting to be said that WWH would be too much for the Phoenix Force.


honestly, I haven't a clue what current Thor's done that makes people rate him so highly. aside from The Destroyer I don't recall anything much going on. and Hulk has, in the past, gotten blasted by The Destroyer (though I don't know how powerful the beam was) without being .. destroyed. and that was a Destroyer inhabited by Maestro Hulk, whom I'd imagine to be a good deal more powerful than the typical Asgardian or even 'classic' Thor.

anyway, until Hulk actually does take down a few more skyfather level characters (Onslaught, Zom/Strange) I won't be making a case for Hulk battling Cosmics.

Originally posted by janus77
honestly, I haven't a clue what current Thor's done that makes people rate him so highly. aside from The Destroyer I don't recall anything much going on. and Hulk has, in the past, gotten blasted by The Destroyer (though I don't know how powerful the beam was) without being .. destroyed. and that was a Destroyer inhabited by Maestro Hulk, whom I'd imagine to be a good deal more powerful than the typical Asgardian or even 'classic' Thor.

anyway, until Hulk actually does take down a few more skyfather level characters (Onslaught, Zom/Strange) I won't be making a case for Hulk battling Cosmics.

WWH hasn't even battle no one close to Odin level.

I would say Onslaught was pretty close, when you include the powers of Franklin that he tapped into. the same Franklin who created a pocket universe and was treated as an equal by The Celestials.

I'd say the same goes for Zom/Strange, that for Strange to be unable to control the power he was channeling, it would have to be pretty much skyfather level, given his track record with channeling and casting spells. and given Zom's phenomenally uber level, a fraction would likely be at about skyfather level.

Originally posted by janus77
I would say Onslaught was pretty close, when you include the powers of Franklin that he tapped into. the same Franklin who created a pocket universe and was treated as an equal by The Celestials.

Hulk fought Onslaught who was using only his strength and not other powers he had. Onslaught plan was also to get rid of his armour. I doubt Hulk would survive a second with Onslaught if he would 100% be determined to kill Hulk.
Onslaught with the power he had should go beyond even skyfather level.
And we all know that Hulk is really nothing more than a bug compared to the powers Onslaught had. And also due to his power, Onslaught should also give himself more brute strength then Hulk.

Originally posted by janus77
and given Zom's phenomenally uber level, a fraction would likely be at about skyfather level.

I really doubt it, especially because it wasn't close shown to be the skyfather level battle.

And also Strange said that he could kill WWH with his fingers. If Strange would go out 100% determined to kill WWH, he would have done it with the snap of his fingers.

Originally posted by janus77
you prefaced the substance of your point with a pithy summary, thank you ✅.
You made no point which makes you the best poster of the week. Lets face it WWH was portrayed as being above most of the heroes on earth but remember none of them were even close to sky father level so how could The Hulk be consider even close to Odin level? He beat herald level characters nothing more its like me saying Superboy prime is Odin level because he beat up Superman and the Flashes 😐.

Originally posted by janus77
I would say Onslaught was pretty close, when you include the powers of Franklin that he tapped into. the same Franklin who created a pocket universe and was treated as an equal by The Celestials.

I'd say the same goes for Zom/Strange, that for Strange to be unable to control the power he was channeling, it would have to be pretty much skyfather level, given his track record with channeling and casting spells. and given Zom's phenomenally uber level, a fraction would likely be at about skyfather level.

So now you are trying to use the Strange fight as some kind of sky father level feat? 😆 . Strange had the Hulk cornered and he could do nothing to stop Strange who was the one that stopped attacking? No a fraction of Zom doesn't equal sky father you are reaching for some odd reason.

Originally posted by iceman24567
You made no point which makes you the best poster of the week. Lets face it WWH was portrayed as being above most of the heroes on earth but remember none of them were even close to sky father level so how could The Hulk be consider even close to Odin level? He beat herald level characters nothing more its like me saying Superboy prime is Odin level because he beat up Superman and the Flashes 😐.
Superman Prime beat up Mxy. 313

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Superman Prime beat up Mxy. 313
Oh noes he has to be abstract level 😱

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm gonna push wolverine off a cliff.

my 300>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your little hair ball. 😛

Lies! 😠

You're just mad cause Wolverine's da man and he already killed your 300 in BS comics issue #347!
hmph!

Originally posted by Xplosive
Hulk fought Onslaught who was using only his strength and not other powers he had. Onslaught plan was also to get rid of his armour. I doubt Hulk would survive a second with Onslaught if he would 100% be determined to kill Hulk.
Onslaught with the power he had should go beyond even skyfather level.
And we all know that Hulk is really nothing more than a bug compared to the powers Onslaught had. And also due to his power, Onslaught should also give himself more brute strength then Hulk.

I really doubt it, especially because it wasn't close shown to be the skyfather level battle.

And also Strange said that he could kill WWH with his fingers. If Strange would go out 100% determined to kill WWH, he would have done it with the snap of his fingers.


Onslaught didn't show any intention of getting rid of his armour at all, that's been said by many but no proof is ever presented. instead what we saw was Onslaught gloating at the fact that he had become a being of pure energy (and then quickly getting beaten by the very foes who together could not do anything to harm him before). I think it's a very dubious argument to suggest that he let Hulk break his armour. also, if you go by that reasoning, as tendentious as it is, then you must accept that Onslaught could not by his own powers escape the armour, that he required The Hulk and The Hulk alone, to achieve his escape. given that all the heroes were there attempting to crack Onslaught, that does seem to confirm Hulk's physical power > Onslaught's physical power.

I never made a claim for Onslaught, in totality, being weaker than or the equal of Hulk, just in physical confrontation he clearly was weaker than Hulk, ultimately.

as far as Strange's claim goes, I don't buy it. hyperbole. I can see Strange easily bfr'ing Hulk but, the only way Strange would be able to kill Hulk is to summon power from some high end god and that would leave his soul imperiled too, thus technically a double-KO/stalemate.

Strange did go out 100% determined to kill Hulk, but only after failing to subdue and calm Hulk on the astral plane and getting his hands mushed. it was quite evident that Strange chose to channel Zom so as to have enough power (or so he presumed) to take down Hulk. clearly Strange wasn't messing about in the battle either, as he ripped through Hulk's chest and torso pretty much right away. furthermore, we have Strange's final realisation that the power was too much for him to control, definitive proof (if it is necessary after so much evidence) that Strange had called in some serious mojo in the form of his channeling of Zom's essence.

Originally posted by janus77
again, other than hostility towards the character's powerset, feats and basic status, what have you got to back up your assertion that Thor is "infinity times greater" in power?

what feats am I using that are from back in the Nexus energies period? his best feat was prior to acquiring Nexus energies, from before Onslaught's demise. remember he was the one that punched out Onslaught, he was the only one strong enough.
and Franklin was then released from Onslaught and free to create that pocket dimension. could you actually provide proof for what you've accused me of there?

what I'm presenting is both the mechanics of The Hulk as explicated by Marvel and how that would operate in a given hypothetical situation.

have you any proof for your "he hit a max at the end of WWH..."? no, of course not, you just wish that were true.

and again, as I said before, I was responding to the implied idea in your initial post that Hulk somehow was no longer powered on that scale. whilst technically no longer 2 universes of energies, 1 universe still trumps anything and everything Thor has.

You misread what I wrote... badly.
Unless you believe Hulk is even close to Thor in energy manipulation.

When you said he was using two universes of power... and I said that was long gone.

I said 'seemed'... as he was angrier than he's ever been in WWH... and then got even madder after he learned of something even more sinister. To a point of throwing off massive amounts of gamma radiation.

And if he's not powered by two universes anymore... that entire point of bringing it up, was highly irrelevant.
I was never bringing in the discussion of who would win in the fight. Except that Thor is a better energy manipulator.

Plus, does that mean that Hulk beats anyone under universe level?

World Breaker wins 10 out of 10. Easy.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
In an alternate reality... when Thor didn't have the Power Gem.

That was not Thor in Warrior Madness (Blood and Thunder Thor was NOT Thor in Warrior Madness).

Thor was in Warrior Madness in TIH #440 as stated by the narration. The Merged Hulk dominated HIM.

What the f*ck are you talking about? 😆

I swear that you were perma banned... 😕

Damn mods. 🙁

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
What the f*ck are you talking about? 😆

I swear that you were perma banned... 😕

Damn mods. 🙁

Read TIH #440. It has been said that Thor is in FULL Warrior Madness.
Read Blood and Thunders. It has been said that Thor was NOT in Warrior Madness.