Originally posted by LordKaos
To master if trolls are people who come into threads to attack others then why have I been refereed to as one, the last I checked I entered the thread responding to somebody who actually knew about Ion and to discuss the thread at hand, you on the other hand know nothing of Ion and refuse to know anything true about the Phoenix, so why are you even here, that to me sounds more like a troll.
Yeah, I knew you were also among those who figured him out some time ago.
Originally posted by LordKaos
I guess I'm a troll because your opinions about everything cosmic in marvel are usually seen for what they are, your (biased) opinion with tiny bits of fact thrown in for taste. Troll indeed, Mr. (Look at me I can turn one post into a billion scan essay that diverts attention from the discussion at hand, and when I don't get my way I insult people to get a mod to come in and threaten to close , but if I get in the last post before all that it looks like I win.) Master.
My point exactly. Couldn't be said better
Originally posted by Mr Master
This thread's transitioned from intransigence to straight up Trollhood. 😂
Let's see. GS came to thread to discuss about Ion Vs. Phoenix. He gives his opinion on who would win any why. You come only to argue with him about Phoenix and nothing more (you were also even trolling in his respect thread, shame on you) that he isn't correct and here never entered the thread to discuss about Ion Vs. Phoenix.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Master is only striking back.
Who are you kidding? I stated the obvious truth what is happening here, literally and you began to even insult, because truth hurt sometimes. But it makes you feel better, why not.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ion removes Jean Grey from existence.
This is already Jean WPOTC wielding the full power ot he PF. Ion won't be able to remove her out of existence. WPOTC is not Superman, CA,...
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Or he prevents her from originally tapping the Phoenix Force. Or he ends the universe with her in it.
WPOTC can also go into WHR, outside of the universe.
In anyway, ending the universe won't help in removing the WPOTC.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Classic Ion had almost no limits to his power.
The same can be said about WPOTC, who manifasted the universe, atomically controlled it, looked like without effort and wasn't even slighty tired after it.
Originally posted by Lord Feron
ILLDELPH u don't know me but i throughly enjoyed your debate between Full Potential Ice Man vs Superman very awesome band
Thanks. That was one of my favorite old debates. Avalon is one of the debators on this forum I respect most and it was a nice exchange with him and the other Supes supporters. I've pretty much retired from debating nowadays though. Every now and then I will chime in if a topic piques my curiosity, but for the most part I'm satisfied to just observe.
Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 Same ol, same ol'Wut up ills, been a minute,
laid back in the outskirts I see enjoying the comedy. 😂
As always homie. Things have been hectic here at work in the tax business but with the 15th a couple business days away I've had more free time to scan the forums. I see you're in your usual form.
Originally posted by Xplosive
This is already Jean WPOTC wielding the full power ot he PF. Ion won't be able to remove her out of existence. WPOTC is not Superman, CA,...WPOTC can also go into WHR, outside of the universe.
In anyway, ending the universe won't help in removing the WPOTC.The same can be said about WPOTC, who manifasted the universe, atomically controlled it, looked like without effort and wasn't even slighty tired after it.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
She had to use the whr....she didnt just lol manifest and fix everything without effort how many times does that have to be gone over,ion had much more casual control over time and space.
Ion did not manipulate time outside of the Universe. :/
Of the top of my mind, Phoenix has manipulated time within the universe.
Ion had complete time control over the entire dc universe which consists of several realities beyond just new earth so in a sense yes he did manipulate time outside the universe,he could leap frog thru time and change it whenever he wanted,and perhaps one of his bigger feats was his omniprescence within time he could be anywhere and everywhere something phoenix cant boast,and of course this was all before he got amped again....this time to a massive degree that left himself at first having trouble even getting used to that power and the wondering if there was anything he couldnt do,phoenix will put up a fight but I honestly dont see her winning against the strongest version of ion when one of her best feats involves the whr.
Originally posted by illadelph12As always homie.
Originally posted by illadelph12Things have been hectic here at work in the tax business but with the 15th a couple business days away I've had more free time to scan the forums.
Originally posted by illadelph12I see you're in your usual form.
You know, you were one my inspirations to get into debating,
at first I was as lost as certain victims of the overhyped comedy,
but after thorough research, the truth unveiled itself.
Since then it's been gravy,
well, aside from the die hard fanboys whose intransigences are overbearing,
as you've probably noticed,
you can turn a cat out if you present indisputable information
a scary realization to consider in future debates.
But I still get a good 😆 out of it.
Mr M, the kmc debating pimp. LOL!
Word? Well, I'm honored to be an inspiration M. Back in 04-06 when I was actively debating I tried to keep things very logical, scientifically sound, structured, and on the facts (like in the Superman/Iceman thread Feron mentioned, for example), even in the face of insults and the age old KMC practice of your opponnent getting flippant and trying to cover a weak argument with sarcasm and lame one liners. Back then the volume of heavyweight debaters seemed to be higher, or at least, it seemed that way because there were more original topics and original arguments being presented. I remember having month long debates and deep conversations with Leonidas, Demigawd (RIP), Whirly, Manjaro, Xmarks, GS, Avalon, Cosmic Cube, Dizzle, Jinzin, etc. Those were the good old days.
I've pretty much mounted the old debating sword and shield up on the wall now though. It's partly due to my getting older (I'm 28 now), and also due to the fact that I've gotten to the point I can't get my mind to override the paradox and the inherrent futility of attempting to debate a matter of fiction which is fluid and plot driven by it's very premise and not static, meaning nothing in these books is set in stone, and what's true today could not be tomorrow.
Now I just observe and judge tournaments when I can, and keep an eye out for when you and GS do your semi-annual showdown. 😆
Originally posted by illadelph12
Word? Well, I'm honored to be an inspiration M. Back in 04-06 when I was actively debating I tried to keep things very logical, scientifically sound, structured, and on the facts (like in the Superman/Iceman thread Feron mentioned, for example), even in the face of insults and the age old KMC practice of your opponnent getting flippant and trying to cover a weak argument with sarcasm and lame one liners. Back then the volume of heavyweight debaters seemed to be higher, or at least, it seemed that way because there were more original topics and original arguments being presented. I remember having month long debates and deep conversations with Leonidas, Demigawd (RIP), Whirly, Manjaro, Xmarks, GS, Avalon, Cosmic Cube, Dizzle, Jinzin, etc. Those were the good old days.
Those were the days indeed. I miss em! 🙁
Its never been the same since. Me against AC or Beyonder in the early days, or me, Cosmic and Cresh against Whirly and Yahman. You sitting on the sidelines coming in every now and then to utter a few words of wisdom. (Lazy as hell!! 😄 )
Originally posted by illadelph12
I've pretty much mounted the old debating sword and shield up on the wall now though. It's partly due to my getting older (I'm 28 now), and also due to the fact that I've gotten to the point I can't get my mind to override the paradox and the inherrent futility of attempting to debate a matter of fiction which is fluid and plot driven by it's very premise and not static, meaning nothing in these books is set in stone, and what's true today could not be tomorrow.
You got a few years on me,(Daaaamn you're old! lol) so maybe i'll get there some day. 😂
Originally posted by illadelph12
Now I just observe and judge tournaments when I can, and keep an eye out for when you and GS do your semi-annual showdown. 😆
Showdown? 😕
That description makes an event of it. 😉
He does try, bless him. 😆
Yo.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Ion had complete time control over the entire dc universe which consists of several realities beyond just new earth so in a sense yes he did manipulate time outside the universe,
INCORRECT. there was NO EVIDENCE shown to support this.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
and of course this was all before he got amped again....this time to a massive degree that left himself at first having trouble even getting used to that power and the wondering if there was anything he couldnt do,
INCORRECT. Kyle as Ion v1.0 never went thru a further evolution or had his power increased; I think yur confusing his time as Ion with the time he was merely tapping into that source of nrg while he was still a GL (but as a GL he didnt do *any* of the feats ya claimed he accomplished).
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