Jean Grey w/ Phoenix Force vs Ion

No long essays. No reposts. Just provide the conclusive proof for the forum!

Show me where it states that the Phoenix Force was going to get killed by Galactus? Funny how Galactus said in teh issue he was going to return the Force to the cosmos, liberating it from Rachel, only for the bio to refer to Phoenix 2! Rachel!!! 😄

With regards to the WHR stuff, show us where its stated point blank, that Jean needed to be in the WHR to use the high level telekinesis that the Phoenix Force has provided to her.

Bio adds the feat to her powers list, saying the Phoenix gives her TK to do stunts of that scale. The scene in the comic just attributed it to her TK, even talking about her TK control.

So where did your delusion come from? 😕

FEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRR!! fear

Dont worry i wont post in your hierarchy thread too much 😆

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not true.

"Galactus ... the Stars are goin Out"

and this is WHY, according to Roma:

"[B]That Child (Rachel Summers) IS Phoenix,
Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces,
you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death

Sorry mate.
Your own evidence has cost ya here bawling

See, it's easy to grope one's own nuts.

I know though, in your case you really believe it makes you right. 😂 [/B]

Are you seriously going to try and tell all of us longtime comic fans that Rachel hasnt been known as Phoenix 2 in the past? 😱

Youre unbelievable 😆

Answer me!

Post here and tell all of us longtime fans, that Rachel Summers/Grey has NEVER EVER been called Phoenix 2 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

No long essays. No reposts. Just provide the conclusive proof for the forum!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Show me where it states that the Phoenix Force was going to get killed by Galactus?

like Roma SAID:

"Galactus ... the Stars are goin Out"

and this is WHY, according to Roma:

"That Child (Rachel Summers) IS Phoenix,
Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces,
you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death,
there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

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They can't be separated!

Because "THAT CHILD IS PHOENIX LIVING EMBODIMENT of ONE of the PRIMAL FORCES!"

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Which is why it would lead to this:

Bibliography - Excalibur #25 -

"WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II"

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You don't want a repost but then you ask the same stupid question.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Funny how Galactus said in teh issue he was going to return the Force to the cosmos, liberating it from Rachel, only for the bio to refer to Phoenix 2! Rachel!!!

Get over it,
Galactus' intention was to separate the Force from Rachel,
BUT THAT"S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!

What's wrong with you?

Jeesh ... so in trying to separate the Force, Galactus was INSTEAD KILLING it.

This is what at the end the Watcher says:

"Yet Phoenix LIVES" (Uatu thought Galactus was going to surely kill Phoenix)

Galactus responds:

"FOR the PRESENT --- as in, for Now

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

With regards to the WHR stuff, show us where its stated point blank, that Jean needed to be in the WHR to use the high level telekinesis that the Phoenix Force has provided to her.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Bio adds the feat to her powers list, saying the Phoenix gives her TK to do stunts of that scale. The scene in the comic just attributed it to her TK, even talking about her TK control.

Her TK is universal on panel withIN the WHR only,
Until further notice/on panel depictions.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

FEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRR!!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Dont worry i wont post in your hierarchy thread too much

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Are you seriously going to try and tell all of us longtime comic fans that Rachel hasnt been known as Phoenix 2 in the past?

Youre unbelievable

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Answer me!

Post here and tell all of us longtime fans,
that Rachel Summers/Grey has NEVER EVER been called Phoenix 2

You got nothing that disproves what I've said,
and you've done nothing but get owned on a subject involving your favorite character.

😂

That's gotta hurt.

Nice try on getting the onlookers to focus on some bullshit you just made up,
your tactics never seem to surprise me.

What's unbelievable is that you really are under the impression your right.

I thought it was a joke, like messing with me to derail attention from that fact,
but no ...
you really do believe in yourself right now.

hysterical

I've already posted my interpretation of what happened in the Galactus/ Rachel Summers incident.

Galactus said he built his machine to separate the Force from Rachel.

With that in mind who are you to tell us it was doing anything differently?

What Galactus didnt realise is that Rachel and the Force are bonded inherently. It is her birthright to wield the Force, therefore by tearing them apart Galactus was affecting the natural order. Hence the stars blinking out.

"Your unique gift is to be the one capable of wielding that force. It came to you Jean as it will in time your children. Because like the sword excalibur was to King Arthur, it is yours by right"

On top of that the bio states plain as day that he was killing Phoenix 2. PHOENIX 2. Not the Force, so why youre parading that bio around as evidence i really dont know. It doesnt help mate, if anything it proves you quite wrong 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master

Bull,
On Panel Jean went into the WHR (Hospital for realities) to be able to heal.

Her TK is universal on panel withIN the WHR only,
Until further notice/on panel depictions.

Doesnt work like that mate. You were never told on panel that her TK at that scale was dependent on the WHR. On panel that was never stated and the handbook bio doesnt state that either.

You were wrong to make that assumption. Officially it is rejected. Sorry mate 🙁

Once again are you really going to tell all of us longtime readers that Rachel has never been called Phoenix 2?

You're unbeliveable!!! 😱

Either you're a barefaced liar or you need to do some background reading before you start mouthing off 😬

What this means for your argument is that it was only Rachel who was under threat NOT the Force as you are trying to make out, for the sake of your biased hierarchy 🙂

Gotta go mate. 🙁

Not gonna miss anything. ❌

Expecting reposts and insults and nothing more. 🙂

Ciao 😱

When Galactus intended to separate the Force from Rachel,
he inadvertently began erasing the Phoenix Force from existence!

This is what happened:

Phoenix Force in its natural state is the sustenance of the Stars,
WITHOUT the Phoenix Force's existence
the Stars will fade because they would have no energy to draw on.

"Galactus ... the Stars are goin Out"

and this is WHY, according to Roma:

"That Child (Rachel Summers) IS Phoenix,
Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces,
you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death,
there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

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They can't be separated!

Because "THAT CHILD IS PHOENIX LIVING EMBODIMENT of ONE of the PRIMAL FORCES!"

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which is why it would lead to this:

Bibliography - Excalibur #25 -

"WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II"

...............................................................................

I remember a debate where someone thought this scenerio was about the separation,
where only Rachel would die,
and not about the fact that the Phoenix Force is about to get ERASED!
BUT,
WHY would Roma CARE if Galactus slays Rachel Summers? hum

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In fact

Right before Galactus was about to KILL the Phoenix Force,

ROMA appears and says,

"Certain Events are of such Significance,
they must be Witnessed first hand,
THIS is a MOMENT in the Scheme of Things
which must stand or fall on it's own"

Yes, this moment of "SUCH significance"
was simply about Galactus separating the Force from Rachel. 😂

INSTEAD of a True Cosmic event of Significance,
like the Phoenix Force being NO MORE! - thus upsetting the natural order of things.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Once again are you really going to tell all of us longtime readers
that Rachel has never been called Phoenix 2?

You're unbeliveable!!!

For now .. again:

Originally posted by Mr Master

Nice try on getting the onlookers to focus on some bullshit you just made up,
your tactics never seem to surprise me..

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Either you're a barefaced liar
or you need to do some background reading before you start mouthing off

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What this means for your argument is that it was only Rachel who was under threat NOT the Force as you are trying to make out, for the sake of your biased hierarchy

Bottomline:

Bibliography - Excalibur #25 -

"WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II"

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KILL RACHEL ... you KILL the FORCE!

We know this is true because:

The Phoenix Force tells Rachel,

"ALL I have become, You ARE Too ...

.. My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit"

The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel,

"You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"

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The Stars started fading because Galactus was KILLING the Phoenix Force,
simple and plain.

Roma clearly told Galactus he could NOT separate the Force from Rachel,
because at that time, Rachel WAS the EMBODIMENT of the Phoenix Force,

And the Watcher ALSO knew the Phoenix Force was about to die:

Originally posted by Mr Master

Get over it,
Galactus' intention was to separate the Force from Rachel,
BUT THAT"S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!

What's wrong with you?

Jeesh ... so in trying to separate the Force, Galactus was INSTEAD KILLING it.

This is what at the end the Watcher says:

"Yet Phoenix LIVES" (Uatu thought Galactus was going to surely kill Phoenix)

Galactus responds:

"FOR the PRESENT --- as in, for Now

The fact that Rachael’s alias is Phoenix 2, and it is Rachael who is being questioned if it can/cant survive the ordeal. Compromises the data book entry, because it is addressing a character by its alias.

Originally posted by id369

The fact that Rachael’s alias is Phoenix 2, and it is Rachael who is being questioned if it can/cant survive the ordeal. Compromises the data book entry, because it is addressing a character by its alias.

The Stars were going out,
that clearly means the sustenance of the Stars was depleting (dying)

The Phoenix is that sustenance:

No one's gonna convince me that Phoenix's role in the universe,
is dependent on Rachel staying bonded to it. 😂

Especially when Rachel was indeed later separated from the Force completely again.

The fact is, that at this time, (Excalibur #25 and up)
the Excalibur writers had Rachel as the one and only true Phoenix,
and You - id - know this is true,
I know, but you won't admit it.

But the proof is there:

Originally posted by Reason

Bibliography - Excalibur #25 -

"WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II"

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KILL RACHEL ... you KILL the FORCE!

We know this is true because:

The Phoenix Force tells Rachel,

"ALL I have become, You ARE Too ...

.. My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit"

The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel,

"You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"

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Roma didn't say that child is this, that or the other,

Roma said it in plain english:

Originally posted by Mr Master

"Galactus ... the Stars are goin Out"

and this is WHY, according to Roma:

"That Child (Rachel Summers) IS Phoenix,
Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces,
you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death,
there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

KILL RACHEL ... you KILL the FORCE!

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That Child (Rachel Summers) IS Phoenix,
Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces

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✅

The mechanisms behind Galactus separating the force is different from the others. Galacuts wanted to segregate the bond all together, so that Phoenix may no longer bond with anyone.

Galactus deems a host, accessing the Force’s power to dangerous to the point of destroying the entire universe.

Originally posted by id369

The mechanisms behind Galactus separating the force is different from the others. Galacuts wanted to segregate the bond all together,
so that Phoenix may no longer bond with anyone.

Cause there's nothing to separate, Rachel WAS the Force embodied.
This is WHY the Stars were going out, because their sustenance were fading,
Phoenix Force was that sustenance, and since it was dying, the Stars was fading.

You split Rachel in two, and you kill her, you kill the Force,
which she embodied, which she was as Roma clearly stated.

Simple, and plain.

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Don't see why yall Phoenix heads are so surprised,
Galactus has tech that can remake the entire infinite Multiverse in an instant,
the Phoenix Force is nothing in comparison.

Something to think about.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This isn't stated anywhere,

But my master concluded that Phoenix’s continued existence is a threat to his own survival, that he cant accept. - Nova

Hhahahahah. That was funny. GS asks Mr Master something and Mr Master just again puts the same essays. And then again. It's really funny. Well now at least it's not the debate about HCT.
Now it's about Galactus and Phoenix II.

Well, GS won this debate.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Well, GS won this debate.

Pages ago 😄

Originally posted by id369

But my master concluded that Phoenix’s continued
existence is a threat to his own survival, that he cant accept. - Nova

What it does seem to state, is Galactus is out to Kill Phoenix,
which coincides nicely with what took place on panel.

Although Galactus, in fact, did not intend to kill Rachel/Phoenix,
he only wanted to initially separate the two,
but like Roma told him, that was impossible,
because Rachel WAS the embodiment of the Phoenix Force,
so separation of Rachel, meant death of both,
since Rachel WAS Phoenix, Living Embodiment of one of the Primal Forces.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Hhahahahah. That was funny.
GS asks Mr Master something and Mr Master just again puts the same essays. And then again. It's really funny.
Well now at least it's not the debate about HCT.
Now it's about Galactus and Phoenix II.

This ridiculous post proves that blatantly.

Btw. --- Reported for LYING about my name. 🙂

(I can amuse myself with GS' words of pure shit ...
but not from some meaningless snot in a bucket such as yourself biatch)

Originally posted by id369

Well, GS won this debate.

Originally posted by LordKaos
Pages ago

You need to learn how to make better use of the quote button, before addressing some one.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting, it doesn't say what you claimed Galactus wanted to do.

What it does seem to state, is Galactus is out to Kill Phoenix,
which coincides nicely with what took place on panel.

Although Galactus, in fact, did not intend to kill Rachel/Phoenix,
he only wanted to initially separate the two,

Wouldn’t Nova be aware of Galactus intentions, and know that the machine would separate the two yet kill Racheal in the processes?

Oh wait she does.😬

Originally posted by id369

You need to learn how to make better use of the quote button,
before addressing some one.

Originally posted by id369

Wouldn’t Nova be aware of Galactus intentions,
and know that the machine would separate the two
yet kill Racheal in the processes?

Oh wait she does.

How many times do I need to repost this:

"Galactus ... the Stars are goin Out"

and this is WHY, according to Roma:

"That Child (Rachel Summers) IS Phoenix,
Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces,
you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death"

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

They can't be separated!

Because "THAT CHILD (Rachel) IS PHOENIX LIVING EMBODIMENT of ONE of the PRIMAL FORCES!"

They can't be separated! doh

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Which is why it would lead to this:

Bibliography - Excalibur #25 -

"WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II"

...............................................................................

Which makes sense,
if I separate your spirit from your body, you DIE!

Rachel's spirit is one and the same with Phoenix's essence.

Please already ... stop trying to find the proverbial loophole friend.