Neo vs. Luke Skywalker

Started by Blax_Hydralisk52 pages

*shrug* I'm pretty much the loser of the Star Wars vs. Forum too. My knowledge is weak. 😛

As I said above, he is not resistant to lightsabers. As such he's at a disadvantage. How do you propose he fights Luke using just his fists? He can't grab the blade like a normal sword, and Luke's hand is covering the hilt. So, Neo would somehow to dodge every lightsaber swing.. all 20 of them basically, and somehow either land a hit on Luke or take away his lightsaber. And this is not counting the fact that Luke can just force push him to the other side of the planet with a simple gesture. HE can't do such a thing you say? Hardly. Luke used the force to move and manipulate a black hole. Mace Windu, who is far, far weaker then Luke as of NJO, managed to hold back hundreds of tons worth of rock and lava, while with the other hand holding a multi-ton tractor filled with kids. Kyp Durron, another Jedi significantly weaker then Luke, used the force to pull a starship out a planet with gravity that's like a hundred times stronger then ours. He did this from hundreds of thousands of miles away.

A group of padawans worked together and used the force to force push a a fleet of Stardestroyers light-years away from Yavin when the Imperial Remnant tried to destroy the Jedi Temple on Yavin.

Luke is significantly stronger then everyone I have listed just now. Significantly stronger.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sure, I'll ask again... maybe I'll get an answer.

At their peak, Neo & Smith were moving/fighting so fast, lighting slowed to a crawl by comparison. Jedi can do this?

Lighting travels at 186,000 miles per sec.

Can you prove that they were fighting faster then lightning moves? As in, prove that it wasn't just one of many slow-motion special effects used through the movie? Do you have factual proof, and/or proof from infallbile sources? Or can we only go off of what you and I, fallible sources, see from the movie?

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
*shrug* I'm pretty much the loser of the Star Wars vs. Forum too. My knowledge is weak. 😛

As I said above, he is not resistant to lightsabers. As such he's at a disadvantage. How do you propose he fights Luke using just his fists? He can't grab the blade like a normal sword, and Luke's hand is covering the hilt. So, Neo would somehow to dodge every lightsaber swing.. all 20 of them basically, and somehow either land a hit on Luke or take away his lightsaber. And this is not counting the fact that Luke can just force push him to the other side of the planet with a simple gesture. HE can't do such a thing you say? Hardly. Luke used the force to move and manipulate a black hole. Mace Windu, who is far, far weaker then Luke as of NJO, managed to hold back hundreds of tons worth of rock and lava, while with the other hand holding a multi-ton tractor filled with kids. Kyp Durron, another Jedi significantly weaker then Luke, used the force to pull a starship out a planet with gravity that's like a hundred times stronger then ours. He did this from hundreds of thousands of miles away.

A group of padawans worked together and used the force to force push a a fleet of Stardestroyers [b]light-years away from Yavin when the Imperial Remnant tried to destroy the Jedi Temple on Yavin.

Luke is significantly stronger then everyone I have listed just now. Significantly stronger. [/B]

When you're that much faster than your oppenent, you don't need to worry about getting hit. If lighting was crawling by comparison to Neo's moves, Luke's glowstick would be going even slower.

That is unless someone wants to claim Luke can move/attack quicker than lightning? Which I'm sure the fanboys will say he can.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Can you prove that they were fighting faster then lightning moves? As in, prove that it wasn't just one of many slow-motion special effects used through the movie?

Do you want to come over to my house? I think I burned a copy of part 3, not sure though, as it sucked.

Edit: Some other poster named the scene, I don't remember exactly which one it was, but I'm guessing it was the final "epic" battle.

Edited. 😛

I'd also like to add that any time you can them fighting/moving faster then lightning, I can you scenes where they are not moving/fighting faster then lightning. So if anything, Neo's speed is incredibly inconsistent.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Edited. 😛

Wait, you're black, you can't come over, you'd try and steal my flatscreen. Not that I'd blame you, it's a nice TV.

Well if I did I would just sell it for crack.

I'd let you have half, of course. Well... maybe a quarter.

Obviously.

Liar.

Hey. I may be a liar but what I am not, dear sir, is a liar.

I'll give you 35% if you agree to concede this debate. mmm

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Hey. I may be a liar but what I am not, dear sir, is a liar.

I'll give you 35% if you agree to concede this debate. mmm

Cosidering that once you've smoked your 65%, you'd be fiending and then would be willing to give me a blowjob for my protion... I'll think about it.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
well, in that scenario. I would say Luke is bested rather quickly. Luke and Neo possess, essentially the same abilities when it comes to manipulation of the force. For all intents and purposes Neo is a Jedi in this scenario, He may lack a lightsaber but he can fly and has Super human strength. He also has a supreme physical constitution. I have never read a star wars book where Luke gets knocked through buildings and slammed into the ground hard enough to create a massive crater while still being able to stand. However, I did read in the new jedi order where Lukes son brought down a small mountain face with his force ability..,that was metal.

If both are fully powered, the only advantage luke has is his lightsaber, but i wouldn't even consider that an advantage.

...thats the scenario I gave in the first post

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, here are some more force powers NJO Luke has at his disposal:

Absorb Energy or Dissipate Energy: a Force power that allows the user to absorb harmful energy with minimum damage and can also be used to increase the users other abilities for a short amount of time.

Alter Image: a Force power developed by Hyobu Sulloran which allowed him to alter his own personal features, such as his height, weight, skin color, facial features, sex, voice, and body shape. These changes would stay as long as the Force-sensitive kept the power up, but would be dropped whenever the Force-user fell unconscious or simply lost concentration.

Electric Judgment: a Force technique used by Jedi such as Plo Koon, and most likely Luke Skywalker.
It showed up as yellow or green energy instead of blue or white, but otherwise it was very similar in both appearance and usage to the dark side power Force lightning. This power was both uncommon and controversial among the Jedi because of its similarity to the dark side technique and its association with anger and aggression.

Protection Bubble: a Force power, probably related to Force Protection. With this Force power, the user could create a defensive sphere around their body. It is described as a shimmering blue globe of energy. It could protect the user from a wide range of attacks, deflect laser blasts, and even inflict certain amounts of damage upon contact with the enemy. Protection bubbles can also be used offensively. Should the user surround the attacker in a Protection bubble, it is possible the attacker will become a victim of their own attack, having been trapped within its destructive radius.

Force Barrier or Force (war) shield: both an offensive and defensive force power, related to but weaker than a Protection Bubble. Defensively this power created a barrier or wall around the intended target, absorbing a wide variety of physical or energy based attacks the target may have encountered. Offensively this power created the same barrier around an assailant, effectively preventing them from commencing an attack.

Force Blinding: a light side Force power. Upon use, what appears as a blinding flash of energy emanated from a user's hand, overloading the target's vision and causing temporary blindness. A powerful tool of the light side, a Jedi could obfuscate an opponent's sight, making it difficult for the adversary to spot and attack the Jedi (or anyone else, for that matter).

Force Burst: a Force power that could be used by a Jedi or Sith. The strength of the Burst depended on the amount of time and energy put into it. A Burst's size and intensity could range anywhere from huge and combustible, to small, but relatively deadly. It was usually semi-transparent with a blue or green hue, where as the Sith variant had a reddish shade. The sphere of Force energy sought out it's intended target with the utmost accuracy and speed.

Force Reflex: a Force power that allowed the user to effectively slow the world around them, heightening their reflexes and perceptions.

Remain Conscious: a Control-based Force ability which allowed a force-user to fight off damage effects that would knock out a normal individual.

Kinetite: a sphere of restrained kinetic energy which could be thrown at an enemy. The ball was fist-sized and could batter down most obstacles in its path.

Force Cloak: also known as Force Camouflage, was, unsurprisingly, a rarely seen Force ability.

Force Slow: This power clouded the target's mind, causing them to slow down both mentally and physically.

Force Stun: a light side power that could temporarily deaden the senses and perceptions of a targeted enemy. It was often used when a Jedi faced a large number of opponents or if they wished to disable an enemy long enough to flee from or apprehend them.

Force Subjugate: a Force power that enabled the user to inflict damage upon the mind of an opponent. The infliction was able to act as a distraction, or to rid the opponent of concentration for a short period of time. Some used this power to calm, or even enrage creatures with a low amount of will power.

Telekinesis: abbreviated TK, a neutral ability that most Jedi had. With it, they could lift objects according to their concentration and move them, hovering the items in any direction. This ability was the base for Force Pull, Force Throw and Force Push, as well as telekinetic lightsaber combat techniques such as Saber Throw. It could be disputed that these are all the same power applied to different means.

Malacia: a Jedi technique that used the Force to induce a powerful dizziness and nausea in enemies.

Mind tricks: a spectrum of Force powers which influenced the thoughts of sentient creatures, most commonly used to coerce into agreement by suggestion through voice manipulation, or to cause one to reveal information. This allowed its practitioners to resolve matters in a non-violent way. It could also be used to appeal to a sensory impression for distraction or cause friendly fire among enemies.

Precognition: a universal Force power. The ability of foresight was perhaps universal to the Jedi or Force sensitive and was manifested in the form of Force Visions of future events, or helped the Jedi predict his opponent's movements. Carnor Jax trained in the art.

Battle Precognition: a variant of precognition that allowed one to sense the flows of the Force and anticipate an opponent's moves, increasing reaction time in combat.

Force protection: a light side Force power. This ability would make the bearer invulnerable to a wide range of attacks until it wore off, either through time, or if the user was fatigued.

Force Drain: refers to a spectrum of offensive Force powers, tied to the same concept, which used the dark side of the Force to tap into the strengths of an organic target. Mastery of each technique could scale the area of effect, sometimes dramatically, or exhaust the victims almost instantaneously.

And these are only SOME of the powers he would have access to.

posting these over and over again won't prove anything especially when many of them have already been responded to

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Can you prove that they were fighting faster then lightning moves? As in, prove that it wasn't just one of many slow-motion special effects used through the movie? Do you have factual proof, and/or proof from infallbile sources? Or can we only go off of what you and I, fallible sources, see from the movie?
thats the thing they had t oslow down time to watch their moves in the smith/neo battle

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Edited. 😛

I'd also like to add that any time you can them fighting/moving faster then lightning, I can you scenes where they are not moving/fighting faster then lightning. So if anything, Neo's speed is incredibly inconsistent.


he moves as fast as he needs to, no more, no less

star wars side, you keep trying to work around the rules

this is neo at full potential and luke at full potential meeting in an arena

they arent meeting up for a random fight

luke cant kill the real neo and neo can't alter reality so luke force powers wont work

also electric judgement would do practically no harm to neo (he survived a drop that caused an asteroid like crator in a city street...normal people can survive lightning)

YouTube video

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YouTube video

Watch all three of these, especially the first, and tell me they are not ALL fighting the same speed. If anything, Annie and Obi Wan are fighting FASTER than Neo.

And dont give me the "Neo fights faster that lightning" horseshit, SHOW me a vid of Neo fighting that fast.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
star wars side, you keep trying to work around the rules

this is neo at full potential and luke at full potential meeting in an arena

they arent meeting up for a random fight

luke cant kill the real neo and neo can't alter reality so luke force powers wont work

also electric judgement would do practically no harm to neo (he survived a drop that caused an asteroid like crator in a city street...normal people can survive lightning)

Read the rules of thread, moron.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Read the rules of thread, moron.

I make the thread hence I make the rules

plus those were the rules both at full power no working around the other ones powers which is what you kep trying to do

theres no killing neo i nthe real world

youre fighting neo with his matrix powers

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Watch all three of these, especially the first, and tell me they are not ALL fighting the same speed. If anything, Annie and Obi Wan are fighting FASTER than Neo.

And dont give me the "Neo fights faster that lightning" horseshit, SHOW me a vid of Neo fighting that fast.

The Neo/Smith fight was far more impressive than either of the Star Wars ones, from a "kick ass" standpoint. Star War is still a much better franchise though.

You realize that not every part of the Matrix is on youtube, watch the last Matrix movie.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
I make the thread hence I make the rules

plus those were the rules both at full power no working around the other ones powers which is what you kep trying to do

theres no killing neo i nthe real world

youre fighting neo with his matrix powers

Don't take the fanboy's insults personally, you're threatening his fantasy of Luke, it's only natural he lashes out.

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Remember RJ, fear leads to anger...