Neo vs. Luke Skywalker

Originally posted by Robtard
And that would be irrelevant, if as you say, 'Jedi see everything before it happens'. Which we already covered and you agreed that precog wouldn't be the end-all in this fight; just a very good advantage.

Still, with Neo's speed and uber-strength, I doubt it will be enough. One punch or kick and Luke would be dead or severely injured, I'm fairly certain Neo could land at least one punch.

If he were fighting alongside Neo, as a comrade, it'd make it harder to determine.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well of course it takes some effort, a small bit on Lukes part. Luke would be giving Neo all his attention, therefore he would know whatever Neo has planned.

If he were fighting alongside Neo, as a comrade, it'd make it harder to determine.

Do you think Neo could land at least one good hit?

Originally posted by Robtard
Do you think Neo could land at least one good hit?

I think all his punches are super strong, it's just the strength-level he's at.

Do you really see Luke, as a regular human, surviving those hits or at least not be crippled by them?

Originally posted by Robtard
I think all his punches are super strong, it's just the strength-level he's at.

Do you really see Luke, as a regular human, surviving those hits or at least not be crippled by them?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Luke has powers that can lessen the impact of each blow, IF they land. It'd hardly be a problem for him to read Neos attack, and with just a thought, repel or lessen it.

Wow... this EU shit is ****ing retarded, I get the impression these stories are written for little kids, I hope it never makes it into the movies, all we need is more gumball shit.

The better question, what CAN'T Luke do with his force-foolery.

Destroy armies, check
Destroy planets, check
Absorb hits, check

Originally posted by Robtard
Wow... this EU shit is ****ing retarded, I get the impression these stories are written for little kids, I hope it never makes it into the movies.

The better question, what CAN'T Luke do with his force-foolery.

Destroy armies, check
Destroy planets, check
Absorb hits, check

I'm not doubting of what it says, jus that's it's retarded making Jedi to be like gods. Having them as just kick-ass guys (like in the movies) makes for a much better story.

I didnt write the story, man, I am just going with it.

Not blaming you.

It's like I said, Lukes array of powers is just too vast.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's like I said, Lukes array of powers is just too vast.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's like I said, Lukes array of powers is just too vast.

And retarded.

Neo has uber powers, but he's in a computer world.

Originally posted by Robtard
And retarded.

Neo has uber powers, but he's in a computer world.

Sure, Luke is a retard.

Doesnt change the fact that due to him having said powers he pwns Neo.

Originally posted by Robtard
Where does it state that those were "special clones"; what special abilities do they have?

Episode II. Don't you remember that part where Obi Wan is talking to Lama Su?

Here's what I was referring to:

"Before initiating the gestation process, the Kaminoans tampered with Fett's DNA, selecting behavioral genes having to do with such qualities as loyalty, aggression, independence, and discipline. This resulted in soldiers that were more obedient, more resilient, and more reliable than unaltered ones would have been. Only a small batch of one hundred clones, which came to be the Advanced Recon Commandos, did not undergo these gene modifications."

Their abilities happen to be one of THE best military force seen in the Star Wars universe.

"Cloned and raised in the cities of Kamino, the clone troopers, trained and drilled since birth, came to be regarded as one of the most efficient military forces ever to have existed in galactic history. This was not only due to their training, but also to their unwavering loyalty to the Galactic Republic and its leader, Supreme Chancellor Palpatine."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_trooper

Also, one of their abilities seems to be being able to take out Jedi....but later on this.

Originally posted by Robtard
But to the point that RJ was making, if the Jedi always see something before it happens, they should have seen it, regardless of how "special" the clones were.

Wrong. I was alluding to the above point being wrong...but only wrong because that is the way it was written. RJ is right about his opinion on this. Observe:

"Throughout the Galaxy, the clones swiftly executed the Jedi, all of whom had grown to trust the clones with their lives; it was a fatal mistake for the entire Jedi Order. The very troops that they led to win the war after countless numbers of battles had betrayed them in cold blood without so much as a second thought. To the clones, Order 66 labeled every Jedi as a traitor to the Republic that had to be eliminated immediately. From the clones' perspective, they were merely carrying out a legal order; they felt no animosity or hatred against the Jedi as they leveled their weapons against their former commanders. This was the sole reason as to why the Jedi could not sense the clones' betrayal until it was too late. However, some commandos, such as Ion Team, who had been gifted with more individuality and morals than the average clone, refused to carry out the order, believing it to be illegitimate.[5]

Only after so many Jedi had died were some able to detect the treachery, such as in the case of Jedi Master Yoda[6]. Some Jedi, like Obi-Wan Kenobi, Roan Shryne and his friends, managed to escape through luck. Yet, it was too late. By the time Kenobi and Yoda returned to Coruscant, the once mighty Jedi Order had been nearly eradicated to the last Master, Knight, and Padawan. "

I agree that SOMEONE should have foreseen the eradication with their foresight. How the hell they missed it, I don't know. But like I said, you can write stuff like that into your story because it's fiction. dunno

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_trooper

It appears that the efficiency, aggression, intelligence, etc. of the clone troopers that they were specifically "designed for" coupled with a surprise attack against the Jedi Order made it more than possible for the extermination of the Jedi. My original assumption that they were designed to be able to take out Jedi is not entirely correct. They were specifically designed to be super soldiers and being able to take out Jedi is incidental to that. My apologies for getting my facts wrong.

Originally posted by Robtard
Here we go again... [b]my point is that the precog doesn't always work to win a fight, not that it is completely useless as there are several instances (the Jedi blocking all the droid fire) shown besides the one you posted that prove it is indeed useful. [/B]

In this particular case, NJO Luke is the ultimate battle precog. Luke has faster fighting feats than Neo. Luke has better "impact" moments than Neo. (Much larger scale...Neo is on the City block level, Luke is on the planet and sometimes larger than planet level with his battles...yes, we are talking about that much of a difference.)

Originally posted by Robtard
Try and pay attention before you make stupid claims and say shit like "doopeedoopeedooo".

It would probably make more sense in this "debate" if you spent the next 6 months of your life studying the EU. Read a dozen or two EU books, some encyclopedias, and even read articles on the website formerly known as "wookiepedia".

The "doopeedoo.." comment was just me being a douche again.

Its all coming full circle, man. Neo gets pwned.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure, Luke is a retard.

Doesnt change the fact that due to him having said powers he pwns Neo.

The power levels he's at in the EU is retarded, not "Luke is a retard", retard. Might as well throw a red cape on him and curly-q hanging down his forehead.

Still not convinced of that, but those retard-level powers do give him a better chance.

Edit: Looks powers in the EU are reminescent of Adam West era Batman. If Neo were to attack Luke by throwing a flaming bus full of school children. Luke would have an anti-flaming-bus-full-of-school-children force ability.

Originally posted by dadudemon

It would probably make more sense in this "debate" if you spent the next 6 months of your life studying the EU. Read a dozen or two EU books, some encyclopedias, and even read articles on the website formerly known as "wookiepedia".

No thank you, currently reading "The Road" and the rest of the books on my 'to be read' list are far better than those, I am certain.

Originally posted by Robtard
Edit: Looks powers in the EU are reminescent of Adam West era Batman. If Neo were to attack Luke by throwing a flaming bus full of school children. Luke would have an anti-flaming-bus-full-of-school-children force ability.

Oooooor he would easily catch it and swiftly throw it back. (Not literally catch it and throw it...with the force.)

Originally posted by Robtard
No thank you, currently reading "The Road" and the rest of the books on my 'to be read' list are far better than those, I am certain.

Fair enough. I was giving advice on how to be better equipped to debate a subject like this. You know pretty much know everything that needs to be known about Neo. You don't know very much about the EU. It doesn't make sense to debate about the EU Luke Skywalker when you know so little. Honestly, I think that a lot of the EU material was not necessarily written for adults.

In this debate, I learned something new: RJ probably knows more than I do about StarWars.

Also, I have never read "The Road" but hear by some that its great and I hear by others that it's bad, horrible, and depressing. I guess that somehow, the post apocalyptic world was captured in some sort of new and unique way in order for it to get great reviews.

Originally posted by Robtard
The power levels he's at in the EU is retarded, not "Luke is a retard", retard. Might as well throw a red cape on him and curly-q hanging down his forehead.

Edit: Looks powers in the EU are reminescent of Adam West era Batman. If Neo were to attack Luke by throwing a flaming bus full of school children. Luke would have an anti-flaming-bus-full-of-school-children force ability.