Neo vs. Luke Skywalker

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oooooor he would easily catch it and swiftly throw it back. (Not literally catch it and throw it...with the force.)

Fair enough. I was giving advice on how to be better equipped to debate a subject like this. You know pretty much know everything that needs to be known about Neo. You don't know very much about the EU. It doesn't make sense to debate about the EU Luke Skywalker when you know so little. Honestly, I think that a lot of the EU material was not necessarily written for adults.

In this debate, I learned something new: RJ probably knows more than I do about StarWars.

Also, I have never read "The Road" but hear by some that its great and I hear by others that it's bad, horrible, and depressing. I guess that somehow, the post apocalyptic world was captured in some sort of new and unique way in order for it to get great reviews.

Of course he would.

When the debate started, it was 'Neo vs Luke', not 'Neo vs Luke "God of the EU" Skywalker'

It's a great read so far, but it gets me thinking too much (which is a good thing if a book does that) of what I would do in that situation, as I also have a very young child like the protagonist. It's a fast read, pick it up if you have the chance. It's also being made into a movie, should be excellent.

Originally posted by Robtard
Of course he would.

Obviously, you already knew that with you anti-throw-the-bus... comment. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Robtard
When the debate started, it was 'Neo vs Luke', not 'Neo vs Luke "God of the EU" Skywalker'

I know. The thread starter and Imp. both agreed that NJO Luke would be a better choice. ROTJ Luke wouldn't stand a chance against a fully powered Neo...I acknowledged that at the beginning somewhere. He WAS powered greatly in the EU...from a well below average Jedi Knight to the best Force user in all of Star Wars history (more than 20,000 years of it.)

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a great read so far, but it gets me thinking too much (which is a good thing if a book does that) of what I would do in that situation, as I also have a very young child like the protagonist. It's a fast read, pick it up if you have the chance. It's also being made into a movie, should be excellent.

If it's being made into a movie and it's a short read, I don't see why I shouldn't pick it up...my bad for continuing this off topic discussion.

Originally posted by Robtard
Of course he would.

When the debate started, it was 'Neo vs Luke', not 'Neo vs Luke "God of the EU" Skywalker'

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It has been established that we are talking NJO Luke.

Yes, thank you. I know that. I was responding to Dadudemon's "why did you debate if you didn't know". When the debate started, Luke was Luke, not Luke-God, destroyer of planets.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It has been established that we are talking NJO Luke.

Originally posted by Strangelove
By whom?

Originally posted by Strangelove
By whom?

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
moi, seeing as regular luke would get destroyed

thanks for the unnecessary quote ermm

Hey, you asked.

Originally posted by dadudemon
"Dodging"? No.

Lame joke? Absolutely. 😆 😆 😆

I was at work at the time and I was training a new employee. No body's computer was broke, all servers were up, and no one needed their password reset so I figured I would "wtf pwn" a newb on the internetz. We had a good laugh about it. 😆

I think you are taking this a weee bit too seriously, though.

I can't remember if this was stated already...but...Neo can do that because they are plugged into the Matrix and they are programs running on the Matrix. Neo's mind acts like some sort of uber software inside of the matrix.

If Neo was to have all of his powers in a fight with Luke, it really wouldn't work because Neo's powers are dependent upon being "plugged into the matrix". So an alternate universe would have to be created that gave Neo all his powers and allowed Luke to retain his powers. That doesn't make much sense because Neo's powers are incumbent upon being in an interface that allows him to "see" the code and be one with the "Matrix OS". (I just made that phrase up...I know, bare with me.)

If Neo was the God of the Matrix as some tout him to be, a fight with ANY agent would end faster than it takes Bardock to eat a bowl of cereal. Neo isn't "wtf pwning" in the Matrix like that because his limitations are his mind. He can only manipulate the matrix so much. By manipulate, it means he is reprogramming the matrix on the fly with his mind.

I made that point to come to another one.

Neo is THE best "The One" to be born among humans. We know this because the Architect said that there were 5 others before him AND his realization in the word games came "faster" to Neo than the others.

Recall "that was faster than the others" -Architect.

We have definite proof that Neo posses an uber mind among humans.

However, it can be determined that Luke's mind far surpasses Neo's in ability. (Ability to learn new techniques mixed with the force as it relates to the mind.)

If they were to retain all their powers and fight in a separate universe away from their own, it would be an interesting fight indeed. Also, I wouldn't put it past NJO Luke to pull a "Reloaded" move like Neo did where he stopped all the bullets in mid air...shouldn't be a problem for him or any well trained force user.

Oh, Bardock, Luke wouldn't even have to touch Neo to send him flying faster and further than one of those punches that make your vagina wet. Neee...........Nars. 😐

I was all over the place with this post and I apologize for no organizing my thoughts.

Bards, that cereal comment was not intended to hurt your feelings: I am almost sure that I eat more each day than you do...so it was the pot calling the kettle black basically.

Also, a bit of irony there, eh?

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, thank you. I know that. I was responding to Dadudemon's "why did you debate if you didn't know". When the debate started, Luke was Luke, not Luke-God, destroyer of planets.

...hmm It makes perfect sense, now, why you would debate this without knowing about NJO...you thought that this was SUPPOSED to be ROTJ Luke.

Edit- And for those who need proof of why we are going with NJO...

Originally posted by Impediment
I say we just go ahead with NJO Luke.

Originally posted by dadudemon
...hmm It makes perfect sense, now, why you would debate this without knowing about NJO...you thought that this was SUPPOSED to be ROTJ Luke.

Still, NJO Luke's little force-grabs/cock-chokes woudn't be enough to take out Neo, imo.

As if tha'ts all he would use, that's just one of his vast array of powers.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Its all coming full circle, man. Neo gets pwned.

second the deifference between them, neo only neeeds one hit, one punch f rom neo will kill luk, and seeing as neo can pretty much keep out of range until he sees an opening and doesnt exhaust neo wouldwin

Originally posted by dadudemon
We've been over this already. A blaster bolt, though not as fast as a bullet, is pretty damned fast. I think we ended up with a bullet being 5-6 times as fast as a blaster bolt. Considering a Jedi can react to a blaster bolt enough to block it is pretty good....but not only can they block it, they can block it precisely enough to reflect it back onto the person who fired it. We never once saw Neo "fire" the bullets back at his attackers because he simply can't do that...even in the matrix. Wouldn't it have been useful if he would have done that?

Where is it established in the movies or from the Wachowski Bros. that Neo knows all forms of martial arts? Regardless, that makes it worse off for Neo. What happens if Luke rips those memories from his mind and assimilates them? What happens if they are erased?

and you se in one of the very firt scenes in the matrix neo being taught every single form of martial art from karate to drunken boxing

also, thats a big if seeing as in the matrix the memories are every bit apart of him as his arm is

and if all fails neo uses his trump card, runs into luke and blows him up from the inside one of his cooler abilities

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
fett was able to stalemate windu as a child first thing

second the deifference between them, neo only neeeds one hit, one punch f rom neo will kill luk, and seeing as neo can pretty much keep out of range until he sees an opening and doesnt exhaust neo wouldwin

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...there is still a large difference in that blast bolts give off a blinding light, bullets are small and would be pretty much invisible to his eye,

You must've missed the part where Luke was dodging small blaster bolts on the Millennium Falcon in Episode 4 while completely "blind". Jedi's don't block and reflect blaster bolts with sight, they do it with their precog ability. ("Jedi Reflexes" as it was called in Episode I)

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
that and the fact they can be fired I think more rapidly than blaster bolts make is all the more harder for luke,

Fast forward to 3:20. Those battle droids have rapid fire blasters and use them quite often. 🙂

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Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and not really, why would it have been neccersary for him to send bullets back when many of the programs themselves are bullet dodgers and it wouldn't have worked

AGENTS were, not the French Man's body guards...which is what I was referring to because that is the only part that we see Neo stop a bunch of bullets, of course. If Neo had as much control over The Matrix as you and others are intending, the Wachowski Bros. would have written that into the script. Because they couldn't over power Neo because they needed a friggin' plot/opposition, Neo isn't a God of the Matrix as you intend him to be. His mind is the limiting factor in the Matrix: he can only do so much with it. Firing back bullets that he has stopped isn't one of them.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and you se in one of the very firt scenes in the matrix neo being taught every single form of martial art from karate to drunken boxing

My point was, you are claiming that he learned every single martial art, which is simply not the case. It is never stated anywhere that he learned every form of martial art. He probably didn't learn JUST martial arts either.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
also, thats a big if seeing as in the matrix the memories are every bit apart of him as his arm is

No its not. Luke has shown the ability to telepathically communicate with others over light years. Touching the minds of others and/or ripping memories from them shouldn't be too difficult if Neo is connected to the Matrix. He could even send feedback to Neo if he wanted...frying his brain. Luke has shown overly prodigious abilities over machines with very littler training: hardly an effort to send feedback through Neo in the Matrix.

bullets again are different than blast bolts, that and the fact he could use the guns to get in cloe enoug hto land a hit is all that is needed

and agents are bullet dodgers too, I dont see the effectiveness of firing bullets bac kat bullet dodgers when it is much easir to beat them hand-to-hand

what would be the point though of teaching him only limited martia larts skills? you saw more than 20 martial arts flash on the screen, neo is a more versatile fighter than luke

tpoint of the movie was neo was pretty muc hthe savior/mesiah of the matrix, I mean some parts i nthe movie you'd have to be blind not to see the almost direct references to the bible (he was freaking crusified)

also, again neo can easily fly stright into neo and destroy him fro mthe inside

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
bullets again are different than blast bolts, that and the fact he could use the guns to get in cloe enoug hto land a hit is all that is needed

and agents are bullet dodgers too, I dont see the effectiveness of firing bullets bac kat bullet dodgers when it is much easir to beat them hand-to-hand

what would be the point though of teaching him only limited martia larts skills? you saw more than 20 martial arts flash on the screen, neo is a more versatile fighter than luke

tpoint of the movie was neo was pretty muc hthe savior/mesiah of the matrix, I mean some parts i nthe movie you'd have to be blind not to see the almost direct references to the bible (he was freaking crusified)

also, again neo can easily fly stright into neo and destroy him fro mthe inside