Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
how? when luke can fly into him and explode him for mthe inside, or kill with one punch neo can stay out of range until he sees an opening
You don't get it, do you?
Luke can...
Dodge Neo's punches (may I note this: punches. A simple fist. Versus a lightsaber) and slice him into pieces with a saber.
Create Force illusions of himself that Neo will attack while the real Luke kills him.
Hold Neo in Force Stasis then slice him with a lightsaber.
Hold Neo in Force Stasis then use Electric Judgement (one-hit kill).
Generate a Force field that protects him from Neo's attacks.
Cloak himself with the Force, then kill an unwary Neo from behind.
The list goes on.
And how do we know one of Neo's punches can kill Luke? Better yet, how do we know Neo can do the explode inside-out trick on Luke? How do we know it doesn't just affect Agents, or those who are plugged in to the Matrix? And even better yet, how do we know that Luke can't just dodge all of Neo's punches and kicks (once more, simple punches and kicks) and just dice him up with a lightsaber, as he has done to so many other people?
Originally posted by caedusrulesallneo has more durability, and a punch from him cause a large shockwave and surived a blow that created a shockwave the encased an entire city
You don't get it, do you?Luke can...
Dodge Neo's punches (may I note this: punches. A simple fist. Versus a lightsaber) and slice him into pieces with a saber.
Create Force illusions of himself that Neo will attack while the real Luke kills him.
Hold Neo in Force Stasis then slice him with a lightsaber.
Hold Neo in Force Stasis then use Electric Judgement (one-hit kill).
Generate a Force field that protects him from Neo's attacks.
Cloak himself with the Force, then kill an unwary Neo from behind.
The list goes on.
And how do we know one of Neo's punches can kill Luke? Better yet, how do we know Neo can do the explode inside-out trick on Luke? How do we know it doesn't just affect Agents, or those who are plugged in to the Matrix? And even better yet, how do we know that Luke can't just dodge all of Neo's punches and kicks (once more, simple punches and kicks) and just dice him up with a lightsaber, as he has done to so many other people?
next most of neos moves only work on people and htigns in the matrix...thats wh yI made the topic as if neo is plugged into the matrix, neo is fighting this battle as if luke is another person in the matrix, the only thing luke cant be rewritten or erased, while form lukes point of view this is a normal place
that was both of them have all of there powers and can use them to the full extent, thats how neo can use hs fly-in-and-explode-the-enemy move
as for clones and such again neo can use code vision to see possible outcomes of lukes moves, luke wont be able to surprise neo, and the force field has a limit, can the force field survive a blow like neo going full force and hitting it? (if you saw the last matrix remember when agent smit hgrabbed him and rammed him into the ground and the resulting shockwave? can the shield sustain against something like that?)
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
neo has more durability, and a punch from him cause a large shockwave and surived a blow that created a shockwave the encased an entire city
Correction, him and Smith flying at each other at nearly the speed of sound caused the shockwave. The punch was just kind of there.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
next most of neos moves only work on people and htigns in the matrix...thats wh yI made the topic as if neo is plugged into the matrix, neo is fighting this battle as if luke is another person in the matrix, the only thing luke cant be rewritten or erased, while form lukes point of view this is a normal place
Really. Then what happened to "Luke is in his world not the Matrix" as you stated a couple of posts ago?
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
that was both of them have all of there powers and can use them to the full extent, thats how neo can use hs fly-in-and-explode-the-enemy move
Luke can dodge that move. Also, once more, how do we know that that move doesn't only work on things that exist solely in the Matrix? We only ever see it used on Agent Smith, who is a program, not a real being.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
as for clones and such again neo can use code vision to see possible outcomes of lukes moves, luke wont be able to surprise neo, and the force field has a limit, can the force field survive a blow like neo going full force and hitting it? (if you saw the last matrix remember when agent smit hgrabbed him and rammed him into the ground and the resulting shockwave? can the shield sustain against something like that?)
Luke, according to you a couple of posts ago, is in his own world/galaxy. Meaning he's not in the Matrix. So code vision is useless. Also, remember what I said about Force flash? And as for the Force field, it can survive blaster bolts. Also, Luke can make himself so deeply rooted in the Force that he's so unmoveable that not even a black hole can move him, as demonstrated in Dark Nest III: The Swarm War. So the shockwave doesn't really do much. And if Neo tries to grab Luke and ram him, that's an excellent opportunity for a quick lightsaber beheading of Neo.
NJO Luke>All. Again.
what do you mean by just there? even a regular punch from neo (hurls pople through walls) is done on a vulnerblae luke would kill him
and its as if luke is in his world and luke is in his, thats wh yI added at the start that neo can rewrite luke in anyway, im having trouble putting the right words because no one seems to be able to understand, I mean both can use there full powers on each others save for neo rewriting luke
neo only kills agents, and seeing as for neo the fight is in the matrix the move can be used, sorry Im having trouble explaining - its my fault
and neo like luke only needs one hit to get the victory, I mean if neo manages to get his hands around luke its over, the smame way luke only needs one strike to end it
anand neo ramming into it at mach speeds would be greater than simple blaster bolts, but even if he can root himself that doesnt mean he can take the full force of the blow
and force statsis is assuming luke power is stronger than neos, which is what he uses to propell his flight, in order to use force stasis he would basically have to over power neos matrix manipulation, which basically increases as he needs it to
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Dude, give it up, you are the last holdout. Luke owns neo, end of story. You can say what about this, what about that, bottom line is Luke has too much raw power and too many weapons to choose from.
what do you mean by just there? even a regular punch from neo (hurls pople through walls) is done on a vulnerblae luke would kill himand its as if luke is in his world and luke is in his, thats wh yI added at the start that neo can rewrite luke in anyway, im having trouble putting the right words because no one seems to be able to understand, I mean both can use there full powers on each others save for neo rewriting luke
neo only kills agents, and seeing as for neo the fight is in the matrix the move can be used, sorry Im having trouble explaining - its my fault
and neo like luke only needs one hit to get the victory, I mean if neo manages to get his hands around luke its over, the smame way luke only needs one strike to end it
anand neo ramming into it at mach speeds would be greater than simple blaster bolts, but even if he can root himself that doesnt mean he can take the full force of the blow
and force statsis is assuming luke power is stronger than neos, which is what he uses to propell his flight, in order to use force stasis he would basically have to over power neos matrix manipulation, which basically increases as he needs it to
LUKE IS NOT IN THE MATRIX, NEO CANNOT SENSE WHAT HE IS GONNA DO BECAUSE LUKE IS NOT A PROGRAM......get it?
Originally posted by Rogue Jediwhy would I giveit up? I made the fightso that both of them coulduse their powers to the fullest on each other, thats why I changed movie luke to NJO luke so he could use his full power, the fight isnt so that luke can use all of his powers while neo can only use a few
Dude, give it up, you are the last holdout. Luke owns neo, end of story. You can say what about this, what about that, bottom line is Luke has too much raw power and too many weapons to choose from.LUKE IS NOT IN THE MATRIX, NEO CANNOT SENSE WHAT HE IS GONNA DO BECAUSE LUKE IS NOT A PROGRAM......get it?
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
why would I giveit up? I made the fightso that both of them coulduse their powers to the fullest on each other, thats why I changed movie luke to NJO luke so he could use his full power, the fight isnt so that luke can use all of his powers while neo can only use a few
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, give it up, you are the last holdout. Luke owns neo, end of story. You can say what about this, what about that, bottom line is Luke has too much raw power and too many weapons to choose from.LUKE IS NOT IN THE MATRIX, NEO CANNOT SENSE WHAT HE IS GONNA DO BECAUSE LUKE IS NOT A PROGRAM......get it?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, give it up, you are the last holdout. Luke owns neo, end of story. You can say what about this, what about that, bottom line is Luke has too much raw power and too many weapons to choose from.LUKE IS NOT IN THE MATRIX, NEO CANNOT SENSE WHAT HE IS GONNA DO BECAUSE LUKE IS NOT A PROGRAM......get it?
There you go again, being the #1 Fanboy.
Why is it that Luke gets constantly upped in power, while Neo gets gimped? Wasn't the fight on the premise that there were at their strongest and had full use of their powers? The battle ground would be where Neo had ALL his powers like in the Matrix and Luke had all his powers like in the EU.
But if you have to gimp Neo so Luke wins, then Luke wins.
what you dont seem to realize all of neos abilities rely on the fact his world and surroundings are digital, thats why I made it so its as if luke i si nthe matrix, and set the rule that neo cant pull some stunt like erasing neo, however its also as if luke is in his world so star wars fans dont come in and say he just kills neo in the real world
Originally posted by RobtardThey can fight in the Matrix, in my bathroom, in your living room, in Cheech and Chings backyard. Luke still wins.
There you go again, being the #1 Fanboy.Why is it that Luke gets constantly upped in power, while Neo gets gimped? Wasn't the fight on the premise that there were at their strongest and had full use of their powers? The battle ground would be where Neo had ALL his powers like in the Matrix and Luke had all his powers like in the EU.
But if you have to gimp Neo so Luke wins, then Luke wins.
And you know damn well that we have been talking as if they are fighting on neutral ground, OUTSIDE the matrix. pretty chicken shit of the thread starter to change things around now that he doesnt have a leg to stand on.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedino, thats how Iintended it for the entire thread, why do you think I added the fact that neo cant erase luke?
They can fight in the Matrix, in my bathroom, in your living room, in Cheech and Chings backyard. Luke still wins.And you know damn well that we have been talking as if they are fighting on neutral ground, OUTSIDE the matrix. pretty chicken shit of the thread starter to change things around now that he doesnt have a leg to stand on.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedihe looks into the matrix code to see the most probable outcome its not exact precognition its very similar though and can be just as useful
Fine then, they are in the Matrix. Doesnt change the fact that Neo has no precog. You can babble all day about how he "saw the agents moves before they executed them", but that aint the case. Neo saw the attacks as they were coming, thats all.