It just proves that Luke really is quite shit compared, because fanboys have to resort to, essentially, fan written books.
You were the one of the first, if not THE first, to bring non-canon Luke into this movie discussion. Why not just say "Luke loses."? It's a canonical movie forum. Why resort to the E.U.?
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Originally posted by Alpha CentauriBecause it was obvious ROTJ Luke loses, thats why we branched out into EU Luke.
It just proves that Luke really is quite shit compared, because fanboys have to resort to, essentially, fan written books.You were the one of the first, if not THE first, to bring non-canon Luke into this movie discussion. Why not just say "Luke loses."? It's a canonical movie forum. Why resort to the E.U.?
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if we hadn't, there'd be nothing to discuss.
So why not say "This thread is irrelevant, someone close it."?
There'd be nothing to discuss because the fight is simple. Why then make it even more ridiculous by bringing in a non-canon book version of one of the characters? Originally the thread starter said it should just be movies.
That's what's wrong with most Vs threads. People make easy conclusive fights last longer into discussion by including silly incarnations and stupid rules. Like the Storm Vs Dr. Doom thread, ages ago. The answer is: Doom, end of story. Because people wanted "Something to discuss.", it descended into hundreds of pages of idiocy.
Not saying you are to blame for this, just a minor thought.
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Originally posted by Alpha CentauriProblem with most versus threads is that the thread starter is too unspecific as to the conditions of the fight, and we are left to guess.
So why not say "This thread is irrelevant, someone close it."?There'd be nothing to discuss because the fight is simple. Why then make it even more ridiculous by bringing in a non-canon book version of one of the characters? Originally the thread starter said it should just be movies.
That's what's wrong with most Vs threads. People make easy conclusive fights last longer into discussion by including silly incarnations and stupid rules. Like the Storm Vs Dr. Doom thread, ages ago. The answer is: Doom, end of story. Because people wanted "Something to discuss.", it descended into hundreds of pages of idiocy.
Not saying you are to blame for this, just a minor thought.
-AC
And as far as to what you said, I agree, but I see nothing wrong with branching out. Like say the thread is Jet Li vs. Jackie Chan, in two of their respective movies. If Jet owns Jackie in the first scenario, whats the problem if the thread starter agrees to Jackie in another movie?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here is how the thread starter started the thread:Neo vs. Luke Skywalker
first this is neo with his matrix powers
second, luke has no way of harnessing anything in the matrix to amplify his own powers, he only has his own as demonstrated in the movies
third, neo cant erase luke from the matrix
He said Neo cannot erase Luke from the Matrix, but he NEVER stated that they were indeed IN the matrix.
It was only after several pages that he came back and claimed that they are in fact in the matrix. Pretty convenient.
And as far as Neo erasing the Force from the Matrix, the force is created by life, it is, in essence, life itself. Neo would have to erase all life from the Matrix in order to erase the force from the matrix.
n o Icame bac kan stated neos powers work as if hes in the matrix after you started saying some of his abilities that would give hi mthe win wouldnt work
yes since it was established early on matrix neo vs. movie luke was barely a fight
I turned it to NJO luke so they could all have their powers
as certain powers seemed to give neo the win the started saying those abilities werent allow
even NJO luke would be killed as all ne oahs to do is fly into him and destroy him from the inside
What about the Matrix are you not understanding?
If Neo exists, he has to fight in the Matrix, otherwise it's just going to be him fighting a normal human. As Luke would have no force outside of the Matrix.
Neo's very EXISTENCE means that the Matrix exists, and therefore anything in existence is created by it. Even the force, inside the Matrix.
He's a bad choice for Vs battles, since people are generally too ignorant to realise that Neo is not some man with regular superhero powers. It's too complicated to just throw stipulations.
It's a movie forum, it should be movie Vs movie.
If people are gonna pick and choose what abilities Neo has, and where, then it's dumb. His abilities and surroundings are not always able to be divided.
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Originally posted by Impediment
DestinyGuy678 needs to specify, once and for all, which versions of Luke Skywalker and Neo are pitted against each other. And, I might add, whether or not this fight takes place in the Matrix.
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its not freaking hard, neo has all of his powers, luke has all of his
yes since it was established early on matrix neo vs. movie luke was barely a fightI turned it to NJO luke so they could all have their powers
as certain powers seemed to give neo the win the started saying those abilities werent allow
even NJO luke would be killed as all ne oahs to do is fly into him and destroy him from the inside
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NJO Luke doesn't count as "all" Luke's power, though.
Neo does not have the level playing ground of having a boosted, exaggerated and ridiculous non-canon persona to fight against NJO Luke, so it's ridiculous.
It's canon Neo vs non-canon Luke.
Luke's powers are depicted as they were meant to be in Return of the Jedi, that's their peak. It's not fair on Luke if it's canon, but at least they're both canon.
If we're stooping to a non-canon hyperbole Vs Neo as he always is, then it's ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What about the Matrix are you not understanding?If Neo exists, he has to fight in the Matrix, otherwise it's just going to be him fighting a normal human. As Luke would have no force outside of the Matrix.
Neo's very EXISTENCE means that the Matrix exists, and therefore anything in existence is created by it. Even the force, inside the Matrix.
He's a bad choice for Vs battles, since people are generally too ignorant to realise that Neo is not some man with regular superhero powers. It's too complicated to just throw stipulations.
It's a movie forum, it should be movie Vs movie.
If people are gonna pick and choose what abilities Neo has, and where, then it's dumb. His abilities and surroundings are not always able to be divided.
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I asked because I have gotten several PM's from people asking that it be clarified in an undisputed way, is all.
I wasn't popping at you, I just think this is a retarded Vs topic.
There's honestly no realistic and balanced way to depict the fight without giving a radical advantage to the other person, but, seeing as this is the MOVIE Vs forum, I think it needs to be canon depictions.
Therefore, it's still stupid. Might as well close the thread.
As I said above, it's too unbalanced, for reasons stated.
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To answer your question, it's possible Luke would win, in that case.
There's still the fact that all of that Luke's powers would still just be a creation of the Matrix, and therefore not out of Neo's control. You don't seem to truly grasp the rules of the Matrix yet, either. As evidenced by suggesting people can waltz in and out of it.
Hardly fair though is it? Non-canon fan-based Luke Vs Neo as he can only be.
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Neo came back to life in the Matrix. He can also bring back Trinity from the death inside the Matrix.
Neo couldn't revive Trinity in the real world. Neo couldn't revive himself after fighting Agent Smith in the revolutions.
Correct? This means...in the real world Neo can do some things but can't do others.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauriall of Lukes powers are a creation of the matrix? elaborate on that please.
To answer your question, it's possible Luke would win, in that case.There's still the fact that all of that Luke's powers would still just be a creation of the Matrix, and therefore not out of Neo's control. You don't seem to truly grasp the rules of the Matrix yet, either. As evidenced by suggesting people can waltz in and out of it.
Hardly fair though is it? Non-canon fan-based Luke Vs Neo as he can only be.
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