Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Luke will know moments in advance, more than enough time for him to prevent Neo from taking flight. And Neo, from what I remember, didnt just take off, he always had to put a second or two of effort behind it.
LoL, Luke only takes "moments", while Neo takes a "second or two".
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678I see, so Lukes powers wont work on Neo now? Well obviously if the force wont work on Neo, Neo wins.
this has been said numerous timesneo is fighting this as if hes i the matrix, none of his abilities are restrained, all of them work
Why didnt you specify at the start of the thread that Luke is as helpless as a baby?
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Implying that Luke cannot predict what Neo is going to do, then take the appropriate action to prevent it, that implies that Luke is without powers.
.....can you read? where in that post do you see "lukes abilities dont work"
All the assumptions you are making about Neo being able to counter force powers are null and void, for you have provided no proof.
Originally posted by Rogue JediNEVER did I say that, I sad neos precog puts them o nthe same level, and what proof havent I provided, the fact he can resist them like other characters in star wars have,
Implying that Luke cannot predict what Neo is going to do, then take the appropriate action to prevent it, that implies that Luke is without powers.All the assumptions you are making about Neo being able to counter force powers are null and void, for you have provided no proof.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
NEVER did I say that, I sad neos precog puts them o nthe same level, and what proof havent I provided, the fact he can resist them like other characters in star wars have,
it is you who havent provided any proof, saying luke can move a planet which you still havent provided, or showing any feats which sugest luk can stop neo if hes moving 3x the speed of sound.
You haven't proven that Neo has precog, you are just saying he does. PROVE IT.
I provided some evidence that Luke is capable of moving planets, the fact that his STUDENT can move a large spaceship speaks volumes for what Luke is capable of.
Neo will not be moving 3x the speed of sound, Luke will sense Neo's intent and prevent him from doing so.
until you provide EVIDENCE, not YOUR OPINION that Neo has precog, they ARE NOT on the same level.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedistated in the matrix neo's ability has been descried as "seeing the world without time" directly , specifically its called code vision, he uses the matrix code to see several moves ahead
You haven't proven that Neo has precog, you are just saying he does. PROVE IT.I provided some evidence that Luke is capable of moving planets, the fact that his STUDENT can move a large spaceship speaks volumes for what Luke is capable of.
Neo will not be moving 3x the speed of sound, Luke will sense Neo's intent and prevent him from doing so.
until you provide EVIDENCE, not YOUR OPINION that Neo has precog, they ARE NOT on the same level.
and again lukes student moving a ship DOESNT MEAN luke can move a planet, I guess if trinity can dodge a bullet neo can dodge lightning (exactly what youre doing)
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
and again lukes student moving a ship DOESNT MEAN luke can move a planet, I guess if trinity can dodge a bullet neo can dodge lightning (exactly what youre doing)
The Force is fickle in beginner ways. Just because Luke, or, rather, Yoda, moved an X-Wing out of the bog, doesn't mean that The Force can't move a planet.
IMO.
Silly thing about Vs topics.
If people (And it's happening here on both sides) can't debate from an objective point of view about abilities and put them against each other, they should not bother.
All people here are doing is saying "Neo/Luke would win cos he'd do this, Neo/Luke would then try this, but Neo/Luke would do this.".
You could say that about anything. "I'd win WWIII on my own. Just avoid all the soldiers like this, shoot them like this.", it's stupid. As is the argument "He can move a ship, therefore a planet.". It's two die-hard Star Wars fanatics Vs a fanatic of The Matrix. Neither of you are going to get anywhere, and neither of you seemingly have enough knowledge of the opposing franchises to debate.
Oh, and for shits and giggles:
"A more subtle application of Neo ability is a heightened awareness of the simulated nature of the Matrix, enabling him to easily detect Agents, Exiles, and other anomalous phenomena (such as the presence of explosives). He is even capable of a limited form of precognition. The ability to see the Matrix's inner workings has been referred to as 'Code Vision.'. This has been described as 'seeing the world without time', or visualizing possible futures like a chess player looking several moves ahead.".
-AC
I'm the first to admit I don't know anything out of watching the Star Wars movies and liking some of them, but the methods people are using to say EITHER person would win, are ridiculous. Anyone can win if you make a scenario where...they win.
Luke can theoretically move a moon, Neo actually controls and manipulates reality itself, and everyone in it. So I'm not entirely sure if it's a sensible fight.
-AC
He couldn't, because only Neo controls the Matrix, and by definition, the "force" would be something created to exist inside of it, since it is a force, not reality itself. Neo manipulates the Matrix because it is a program, not because it's a reality and open to anybody with reality warping skills. It's his to control and his alone, or someone else with the same access, Luke is not one of those. He's just a man, not a carrier of the program.
So Neo would control the force also, he could remove it from existence if he wanted. If this fight were in the Matrix that is.
-AC
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
stated in the matrix neo's ability has been descried as "seeing the world without time" directly , specifically its called code vision, he uses the matrix code to see several moves aheadand again lukes student moving a ship DOESNT MEAN luke can move a planet, I guess if trinity can dodge a bullet neo can dodge lightning (exactly what youre doing)
Yes, but the agents are part of the Matrix, they are programs, Luke is NOT. Therefore, Neo has no way of knowing what Luke will do.
Lukes student moving a ship, lets say Luke can perform the exact same feat (it's quite obvious he can, in fact it's obvious he can do FAR MORE), but Luke being able to move a ship, which he SURELY CAN, means he would be able to EASILY stop Neo in mid flight, and it would be even EASIER for Luke to prevent him from taking flight.
Neo tries to get in close and Kung Fu Luke, you saw what the link I provided said. Luke will SLICE HIM TO BITS.