Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfactually neo survived the fight with the smiths (the story continues in the matrix online game)
Neo came back to life in the Matrix. He can also bring back Trinity from the death inside the Matrix.Neo couldn't revive Trinity in the real world. Neo couldn't revive himself after fighting Agent Smith in the revolutions.
Correct? This means...in the real world Neo can do some things but can't do others.
Originally posted by ImpedimentI think not. The force has never existed in the matrix until Luke enters thhe matrix. And the mere fact that he can conceal himself via the force proves he can conceal his "code."
AC is starting to make some sense here...............Dumb question: Would The Matrix still apply "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away"?
Originally posted by Impediment
My point of asking was that, obviously, Luke is from a time before Neo awoke from the grasp of the Matrix. I don't see how they could logically fight.
It's the same scenerio with Superman. As far as it goes the Matrix program is restricted to our planet. Supes comes from a planet far away from another galaxy.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
all of Lukes powers are a creation of the matrix? elaborate on that please.
I've done so before, and I'll do so again in the next quote. Sooner or later you'll have to admit you don't understand it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I think not. The force has never existed in the matrix until Luke enters thhe matrix. And the mere fact that he can conceal himself via the force proves he can conceal his "code."
It can't, that's not how it works. If you don't understand the way the Matrix works, don't comment on it.
First off: all of reality is the Matrix, so the force is a creation of the Matrix.
Secondly: you cannot just "enter" the Matrix. Have you ever watched the movies? If he is able to just "enter", then he is obviously a red pill. Someone who lived in the Matrix before being woken out of the fake reality. This would mean that OUTSIDE of the Matrix, he has no force, no powers. That's only INSIDE, and INSIDE, Neo controls everything like that.
You cannot just bring the force into the Matrix. The Matrix is a program that creates all reality, or rather is the reality. Luke cannot be strolling around outside of it, with the force, then decide to randomly go into the Matrix with it. It's not how the Matrix works.
No offence meant here, but if you honestly don't know how this goes, don't start trying to say what can and can't happen.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It's the same scenerio with Superman. As far as we know the Matrix is restricted to our planet. Supes comes from a planet far away from our galaxy.
"Reality" is not restricted to Earth.
Not sure where you got that from.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Neo came back to life in the Matrix. He can also bring back Trinity from the death inside the Matrix.Neo couldn't revive Trinity in the real world. Neo couldn't revive himself after fighting Agent Smith in the revolutions.
Correct? This means...in the real world Neo can do some things but can't do others.
Neo has different abilities in the real world, yes. This was established pages ago.
Anyone with powers IN the Matrix, who ISN'T Neo, is TOTALLY powerless outside, though. Also known as, in this case, Luke. The force would only exist in the Matrix, so outside of it, he'd be just a man.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI understand how this works. I have seen the movies several times.
It can't, that's not how it works. If you don't understand the way the Matrix works, don't comment on it.First off: all of reality is the Matrix, so the force is a creation of the Matrix.
Secondly: you cannot just "enter" the Matrix. Have you ever watched the movies? If he is able to just "enter", then he is obviously a red pill. Someone who lived in the Matrix before being woken out of the fake reality. This would mean that OUTSIDE of the Matrix, he has no force, no powers. That's only INSIDE, and INSIDE, Neo controls everything like that.
You cannot just bring the force into the Matrix. The Matrix is a program that creates all reality, or rather is the reality. Luke cannot be strolling around outside of it, with the force, then decide to randomly go into the Matrix with it. It's not how the Matrix works.
No offence meant here, but if you honestly don't know how this goes, don't start trying to say what can and can't happen.
This is not based on luke "swallowing a pill", or the thread starter would have specified. This is a fantasy scenario, plain and simple. Luke is entering the matrix with full force powers while the matrix has never seen the force before. The force doesnt exist in anything related to the matrix (movies and games).
"Reality" is not restricted to Earth.What he is saying, I think, is that the matrix is restricted to Earth, that is the reality in the matrix. Tattooine, Coruscant, the entire SW universe, it is not in any way connected to the matrix. Different realities.Not sure where you got that from.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I understand how this works. I have seen the movies several times.This is not based on luke "swallowing a pill", or the thread starter would have specified. This is a fantasy scenario, plain and simple. Luke is entering the matrix with full force powers while the matrix has never seen the force before. The force doesnt exist in anything related to the matrix (movies and games).
So basically this is a gigantic mishmash of retarded rules that make absolutely no sense, and could never work logically, that are slyly altered to benefit a non-canon version of Luke Skywalker, in a fight against a regular Neo?
I'm with you now.
It's getting ridiculous from the S.W. fanboys.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What he is saying, I think, is that the matrix is restricted to Earth, that is the reality in the matrix. Tattooine, Coruscant, the entire SW universe, it is not in any way connected to the matrix. Different realities.
Says who? You? What's the point of doing fantasy battles if one side is simply going to alter everything in one man's favour, despite the two never ever being compatible, and the rules of the Matrix totally being ignored in favour of a version of Luke that was essentially written by fans?
Surely it takes the fun out of actually discussing who would win, when you have to spend time discussing the conditions. If the conditions are this incompatible, then obviously it's a stupid fight.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue JediWhat he is saying, I think, is that the matrix is restricted to Earth, that is the reality in the matrix. Tattooine, Coruscant, the entire SW universe, it is not in any way connected to the matrix. Different realities.
I would say the Matrix Program is restricted to Earth. The machines were using humans as batteries. They don't mention beings from other worlds...if there were they would harvest them as well.
Can't see how in the blue blazers would the Matrix machines try to start a war with Empire or even The Republic.
Haha!!! I can picture it now, the matrix machines start a war with the Empire....cue the Deathstar...GAME OVER.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI didnt know Destiny Guy was a SW fanboy.So basically this is a gigantic mishmash of retarded rules that make absolutely no sense, and could never work logically, that are slyly altered to benefit a non-canon version of Luke Skywalker, in a fight against a regular Neo?
I'm with you now.
It's getting ridiculous from the S.W. fanboys.
This thread is no more ridiculous than someone talking about Zorro versus captain Jack Sparrow. They come from different times, it's not possible that they would ever fight, who cares? It's all hypothetical, to see who is the biggest badass.
Says who? You? What's the point of doing fantasy battles if one side is simply going to alter everything in one man's favour, despite the two never ever being compatible, and the rules of the Matrix totally being ignored in favour of a version of Luke that was essentially written by fans?The rules of the matrix are based on the reality created by the matrix, that reality NOT being the SW universe.Surely it takes the fun out of actually discussing who would win, when you have to spend time discussing the conditions. If the conditions are this incompatible, then obviously it's a stupid fight.
-AC
If you cant handle the topics here, or the way they are discussed, maybe you should refrain from posting.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I didnt know Destiny Guy was a SW fanboy.This thread is no more ridiculous than someone talking about Zorro versus captain Jack Sparrow. They come from different times, it's not possible that they would ever fight, who cares? It's all hypothetical, to see who is the biggest badass.
It's actually nothing like that.
Two men who are rogue swordfighters and nothing more, in a fantasy fight, is entirely different than two people whose powers depend on VERY technical, specific and complex circumstance, having to integrate that and so forth.
It's an incompatible fight. Because again, you fail to realise, Neo is not just some "badass" with powers, it's a lot more complex than that. You can't say "Give him all his powers...but not in the Matrix.", it doesn't work that way. They are not able to be divided. So then you decide the genius stroke is: "Well, give Luke ALL of his non-canon powers, let him just walk into the Matrix, despite this being illogical and impossible, and fool the entire system by masking his own code, of which he has no dominion or control".
Where's it going to end before you realise this is a null fight?
It's not like saying, ok, Hulk Vs Abomination in a desert, GO!
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The rules of the matrix are based on the reality created by the matrix, that reality NOT being the SW universe.If you cant handle the topics here, or the way they are discussed, maybe you should refrain from posting.
The two realities, or one reality (Whichever side you fall on) are obviously not compatible, so either way, it's an impossible fight.
It will never be balanced because one guy will always have an advantage. In the Matrix, Neo wins, end of. Then you wanna bring in a non-canon version, stupidly powerful incarnation of Luke against the SAME version of Neo, whilst also giving Luke the ability to just fool the Matrix.
It's fanboyistic, one-sided, slanted nonsense.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriOf COURSE it's an impossible fight, thats what makes it so much fun to talk about.It's actually nothing like that.
Two men who are rogue swordfighters and nothing more, in a fantasy fight, is entirely different than two people whose powers depend on VERY technical, specific and complex circumstance, having to integrate that and so forth.
It's an incompatible fight. Because again, you fail to realise, Neo is not just some "badass" with powers, it's a lot more complex than that. You can't say "Give him all his powers...but not in the Matrix.", it doesn't work that way. They are not able to be divided. So then you decide the genius stroke is: "Well, give Luke ALL of his non-canon powers, let him just walk into the Matrix, despite this being illogical and impossible, and fool the entire system by masking his own code, of which he has no dominion or control".
Where's it going to end before you realise this is a null fight?
It's not like saying, ok, Hulk Vs Abomination in a desert, GO!
The two realities, or one reality (Whichever side you fall on) are obviously not compatible, so either way, it's an impossible fight.
It will never be balanced because one guy will always have an advantage. In the Matrix, Neo wins, end of. Then you wanna bring in a non-canon version, stupidly powerful incarnation of Luke against the SAME version of Neo, whilst also giving Luke the ability to just fool the Matrix.
It's fanboyistic, one-sided, slanted nonsense.
-AC [/B]
Robocop versus the Terminator. Ridiculous as hell, but fun to talk about. Yoda versus Dumbledore, also way out there, but fun to talk about.
You dont seem to have the mindset for this type of talk.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Of COURSE it's an impossible fight, thats what makes it so much fun to talk about.Robocop versus the Terminator. Ridiculous as hell, but fun to talk about. Yoda versus Dumbledore, also way out there, but fun to talk about.
You dont seem to have the mindset for this type of talk.
If you truly do not have the capacity to see why those fights are different to this one, then it's no wonder you're having the wrestling match of the decade when trying to grasp the rules of the Matrix.
Impossible? Yes. Incompatible? No.
With those, you could say "Robocop Vs The Terminator, in a warehouse. Go.". They do not depend on anything else, it's simple.
If you fail to see, well, why THIS particular pairing fails, then you'll not see much else.
As for lacking the mindset, I came here and spent the bulk of my earlier KMC time in the Vs forum, that's why I'm even on this site, cos I was looking for fun Vs discussions. That soon turned to shit when this kind of thing started happening.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I didnt know Destiny Guy was a SW fanboy.This thread is no more ridiculous than someone talking about Zorro versus captain Jack Sparrow. They come from different times, it's not possible that they would ever fight, who cares? It's all hypothetical, to see who is the biggest badass.
The rules of the matrix are based on the reality created by the matrix, that reality NOT being the SW universe.
If you cant handle the topics here, or the way they are discussed, maybe you should refrain from posting.
I'm not a SW fanboy either....and I'm picking Luke in this fight. 😉
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriLook up "overanalyze" in the dictionary.
If you truly do not have the capacity to see why those fights are different to this one, then it's no wonder you're having the wrestling match of the decade when trying to grasp the rules of the Matrix.Impossible? Yes. Incompatible? No.
With those, you could say "Robocop Vs The Terminator, in a warehouse. Go.". They do not depend on anything else, it's simple.
If you fail to see, well, why THIS particular pairing fails, then you'll not see much else.
As for lacking the mindset, I came here and spent the bulk of my earlier KMC time in the Vs forum, that's why I'm even on this site, cos I was looking for fun Vs discussions. That soon turned to shit when this kind of thing started happening.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriNo, thats a polite way of saying that you should accept the fact that this is D Guys thread, not yours, and that if you cant handle the conditions of the thread, you should pobably go back to the GDF.
Is that a dodgy way of saying we all have to suspend belief until we become retarded, logicless fools to enjoy a fantasy battle?That's not the case.
-AC
I have nothing against you partaking in, nor enjoying, this thread, RJ.
I am simply pointing out the FACT that it is an incompatible fantasy fight with conditions that are totally unbalanced and ridiculous. You comparing them to Robocop/Terminator etc only proves you do not understand why. I've explained it to you, and you either ignore it or don't get it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriDo Robo and the Terminator exist in the same reality/Universe? NO....pitting them against one another is just as silly as Neo versus NJO Luke.
I have nothing against you partaking in, nor enjoying, this thread, RJ.I am simply pointing out the FACT that it is an incompatible fantasy fight with conditions that are totally unbalanced and ridiculous. You comparing them to Robocop/Terminator etc only proves you do not understand why. I've explained it to you, and you either ignore it or don't get it.
-AC
Compatibility has no place here.