Neo vs. Luke Skywalker

Originally posted by Scythe
Yeah I read it, I don't think that guy understood the prowess that Neo has, nor the Matrix. Otherwise he would've started the thred like this.

"Okay, Neo Vs. Luke Skywalker, in the Matrix, Luke has all his powers but they have no effect within the Matrix, thus saying, Neo is a god and Luke is defenseless. Discuss"

He hasn't got the right to say they work on Neo, just that he has the ability to use them.

That's why you need characters whose powers do NOT rely on a billion other things.

Neo Vs Luke is a ridiculous match, and this thread is proof.

-AC

To start a good Vs. thread, one must know both aspects of both fighters.

It's like saying: "Okay, God Vs. Mark Twain! Oh, and Mark Twain has all his powers! Discuss!"

I have nothing against Luke, I like Star Wars, it's just a stupid fight.

Neo is a horrible character to use in these. It sucks the fun out of simple Vs fights.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Neo Vs Luke is a ridiculous match, and this thread is proof.

-AC

The point is, Luke has greater powers than Neo does. Neo has all his stupid little stunts (like fighting off 50 Smiths. Oh, so difficult when none of them really seemed to be doing much except dogpiling. Or running along the walls. A Luke-counterable stunt), but Luke's Force powers reach way more heights.

Owned and owned again. Matrix fanboys, just stop trying to win. If you stopped deluding yourself in the "oh Neo is so ultra uber-pwnage because he can dodge bullets and blow up computer programs" you'd realize that Luke has done way more than Neo ever has. Okay, Neo fought off 50 Smiths. Luke fought off hundreds of Yuuzhan Vong warriors (each with the strength of 2-3 strong humans), then the Slayers (even more powerful), then Shimrra (the most powerful Yuuzhan Vong) all without rest.

Oh, and don't talk bad about Wikipedia. It IS a credible source.

And if you need a reminder of Luke's Force Godliness,
then you can just dodge this.

You're not doing Star Wars fans any favours, whoever you are.

Quoting a STAR WARS WIKIPEDIA page isn't helping either.

Really.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
On this we agree, at least the two of them fighting in the Matrix. All versus battles should be on neutral ground.

That would be gimping Neo. It's no different than saying Luke can't use the Force.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
The point is, Luke has greater powers than Neo does. Neo has all his stupid little stunts (like fighting off 50 Smiths. Oh, so difficult when none of them really seemed to be doing much except dogpiling. Or running along the walls. A Luke-counterable stunt), but Luke's Force powers reach way more heights.

Owned and owned again. Matrix fanboys, just stop trying to win. If you stopped deluding yourself in the "oh Neo is so ultra uber-pwnage because he can dodge bullets and blow up computer programs" you'd realize that Luke has done way more than Neo ever has. Okay, Neo fought off 50 Smiths. Luke fought off hundreds of Yuuzhan Vong warriors (each with the strength of 2-3 strong humans), then the Slayers (even more powerful), then Shimrra (the most powerful Yuuzhan Vong) all without rest.

Oh, and don't talk bad about Wikipedia. It IS a credible source.

And if you need a reminder of Luke's Force Godliness,
then you can just dodge this.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're not doing Star Wars fans any favours, whoever you are.

Quoting a STAR WARS WIKIPEDIA page isn't helping either.

Really.

-AC

If you'd taken time to read some of the rest of the thread, you'd notice that I have consistently been debating on a pro-Luke stance.

And just shut up about Wikipedia. It's not bad, and the Star Wars Wikipedia (also known as Wookieepedia) contains only the truth.

Just take a look at Luke's abilities. Neo cannot match over three-quarters of them.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
If you'd taken time to read some of the rest of the thread, you'd notice that I have consistently been debating on a pro-Luke stance.

And just shut up about Wikipedia. It's not bad, and the Star Wars Wikipedia (also known as Wookieepedia) contains only the truth.

Just take a look at Luke's abilities. Neo cannot match over three-quarters of them.

He can, and Wikipedia is not a credible source, regardless of what information is contained within.

You're not showing anything I don't know by now, and you're still wrong.

Fanboys, gotta laugh.

-AC

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Luke_Skywalker/Archive2

Luke's abilities with a lightsaber and the Force allow him to prevail over thousands of Yuuzhan Vong warriors, along with other enemies. Luke defeated Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, who on his own could kill many Jedi.

THOUSANDS......

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He can

How then?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
and Wikipedia is not a credible source, regardless of what information is contained within.

Any why is Wikipedia not a credible source? Despite the fact that this Star Wars Wikipedia in fact is a perfectly reliable source that contains the correct information?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're not showing anything I don't know by now

Obviously I am, or else you would realize that Neo cannot counter a Force Shield, or Force Camouflage, or Electric Judgement, or Force Stasis, and so on and so forth.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
and you're still wrong.

I'm perfectly correct. Luke will kill Neo with any number of the methods listed in the article, or that have been posted in this thread.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Fanboys, gotta laugh.

You really shouldn't be talking when Matrix fanboys such as yourself are so difficult to debate with. They just can't accept that Neo is not a god. And that Luke is.

I'd like to point that where is the credible source that says Neo can program all kinds of stuff in the matrix and he is god and so on...

(I mean, if Star Wars fans can't use EU or Wiki..then where is all this Matrix attributes come from? Just the movies or the video games?)

Since you like Wiki Caedusrulesall, read this and try to comprehend:

"Neo has carried since his inception the Matrix's source code, known as the Prime Program. This gives him the ability to freely manipulate the simulated reality of the Matrix, similar to the authority a system administrator has over a given system. However, he mainly manifests these abilities as various superhuman powers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_%28The_Matrix%29#Powers_and_abilities

In laymen terms, Neo can do whatever he wills. So if the fight is on the terms that both Neo and Luke at are their full potential, then Neo is basically a god. So please just STFU now, that goes for RJ as well.

Haha, RJ had to bring his SW buddies for this, awesome!

But anyhoe, I seriously doubt the thread starter knows any of this over the top Luke Skywalker shit. He probably saw episodes 4-6 and based this entire thing on the Luke depicted there.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
You really shouldn't be talking when Matrix fanboys such as yourself are so difficult to debate with. They just can't accept that Neo is not a god. And that Luke is.

Star Wars fanboys unite! Haha, when egos collide, a puppy dies.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Luke_Skywalker/Archive2

Luke's abilities with a lightsaber and the Force allow him to prevail over thousands of Yuuzhan Vong warriors, along with other enemies. Luke defeated Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, who on his own could kill many Jedi.

THOUSANDS......

Until you start quoting credible sources, I'm not taking your links seriously.

So Neo would create millions of himself, big deal. It's getting a bit beyond stupid now.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
How then?

I've spent the past 50 pages explaining "How?" to RJ, I'm not going to do it all over again to someone who is clearly a Star Wars fanboy.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
Any why is Wikipedia not a credible source? Despite the fact that this Star Wars Wikipedia in fact is a perfectly reliable source that contains the correct information?

Because it's a fanboy's encyclopedia that any fanboy can edit.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
Obviously I am, or else you would realize that Neo cannot counter a Force Shield, or Force Camouflage, or Electric Judgement, or Force Stasis, and so on and so forth.

In the Matrix he can counter anything he desires, that's how the Matrix works.

You see, in Vs threads, you need to know both sides. Not just one to fanboyistic degrees.

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
I'm perfectly correct. Luke will kill Neo with any number of the methods listed in the article, or that have been posted in this thread.

Nope, Neo would win with any of the methods I have suggested. See? How far do we take this?

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
You really shouldn't be talking when Matrix fanboys such as yourself are so difficult to debate with. They just can't accept that Neo is not a god. And that Luke is.

I'm difficult to debate with because I don't take bs.

Wait, so now Neo isn't godlike, and Luke Skywalker is? Funny.

I'm no Matrix fanboy, I like one of the three movies.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Until you start quoting credible sources, I'm not taking your links seriously.

So Neo would create millions of himself, big deal. It's getting a bit beyond stupid now.

-AC

Oh...yeah, that non-canon stuff that fanboys have to rely on because their favourite character was never as powerful as they liked.

I've since read what I'd have needed to read to participate on this thread, and spoke with experts on the subject.

Still, fanboys out in full force now!

Smith populated an entire city of clones of himself, Neo is more powerful than Smith. He couldn't fight them all.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh...yeah, that non-canon stuff that fanboys have to rely on because their favourite character was never as powerful as they liked.

I've since read what I'd have needed to read to participate on this thread, and spoke with experts on the subject.

Still, fanboys out in full force now!

Smith populated an entire city of clones of himself, Neo is more powerful than Smith. He couldn't fight them all.

-AC

Deal with it.