Neo vs. Luke Skywalker

Originally posted by Robtard
If you really did, you would understand how Luke can't win here, in fact, Luke has no chance, unless of course Neo wills him one. This isn't because Luke is weak by any means either, it's just a fact about Neo and his claus of "freely manipulating reality" while within the Matrix.

Think about what those three words imply "freely manipulating reality". Like I said, it's not "Luke loses because he is weak", it's "Luke loses because Neo can't lose in the Matrix" (unless he wishes). Understand now?

It's as fair a fight as Q vs Chewbacca, which is just stupid.

And if Neo is a bit slow to react, and Luke is on him with his saber, force powers (which are so vast it aint even funny), is he gonna have the presence of mind to defend himself from Lukes attacks AND will reality to his liking?

Everyone has their limitations, man.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And whats to stop Luke from realizing this and attacking Neo before Neo has a chance to do all this? Is it instantaneous? I mean, hypothetically, if Luke were to enter the Matrix and BAM BAM BAM he is on Neo with force powers and saber throws, is Neo gonna have a chance to bend reality to his liking?

And if Neo is a bit slow to react, and Luke is on him with his saber, force powers (which are so vast it aint even funny), is he gonna have the presence of mind to defend himself from Lukes attacks AND will reality to his liking?

Everyone has their limitations, man.

"Freely manipulating reality" = Ability to do anything, what can't you grasp about that?

To answer your question, Neo could react as fast as he wanted, see "freely manipulating reality", understand now?

When you're "free to do anything", you only have the limitations you set on yourself, understand now?

Edit:
Not sure how much clearer/simpler I can say it, but, if Luke where to be in the Matrix, he would be bound by its laws. Neo is free to alter, modify, create or destroy these laws. Understand now?

Originally posted by Robtard
"Freely manipulating reality" = Ability to do anything, what can't you grasp about that?

To answer your question, Neo could react as fast as he wanted, see "freely manipulating reality", understand now?

When you're "free to do anything", you only have the limitations you set on yourself, understand now?

Luke coming at Neo, wielding all these force powers, which Neo wont even see coming, I cant see Neo countering.

You are basing your argument on things Neo recognizes, agents and guns. Neo will think Luke is just some guy, likely will try to better him one on one.

FFS, dude, I don't now how simpler I can explain it to you.

When in the Matrix Neo sees everything as code, so he would see Luke as what he is and what Luke does for what it is. This is besides the fact of "freely manipulating reality", which is the 'ability to do anything', do you understand this concept?

You simply either can not or refuse to grasp that within the Matrix, Neo is unbeatable. Unless Luke has the ability to overwrite a portion of the Matrix and make a pocket-world within the Matrix for himself where he is essentially free to do anything and Neo isn't, then Luke wins, but that wouldn't be an ability Luke possesses.

No offense meant, but you are basing your argument on ignorance of Neo and the Matrix.

You're also gimping Neo AGAIN while boosting Luke, why would Neo not think anything of Luke, while Luke would come blazing at him with his powerful attacks? (not that it would matter within the Matrix)

Originally posted by Robtard
FFS, dude, I don't now how simpler I can explain it to you.

When in the Matrix Neo sees everything as code, so he would see Luke as what he is and what Luke does for what it is. T[b]his is besides the fact of "freely manipulating reality", which is the 'ability to do anything', do you understand this concept?

You simply either can not or refuse to grasp that within the Matrix, Neo is unbeatable. Unless Luke has the ability to overwrite a portion of the Matrix and make a pocket-world within the Matrix for himself where he is essentially free to do anything and Neo isn't, then Luke wins, but that wouldn't be an ability Luke possesses.

No offense meant, but you are basing your argument on ignorance of Neo and the Matrix.

You're also gimping Neo AGAIN while boosting Luke, why would Neo not think anything of Luke, while Luke would come blazing at him with his powerful attacks? (not that it would matter within the Matrix) [/B]

And lately YOU have been doing all the gimping.

Do try and pay attention to the rules of the thread.

Let me put it a different way, let's say we're superheroes and in a fight.

Robtard's powers: instantly kill people, cut planets in half, implode stars.

Rogue Jedi's powers: Do anything.

Who wins this fight?

Originally posted by Robtard
Let me put it a different way, let's say we're superheroes and in a fight.

Robtard's powers: instantly kill people, cut planets in half, implode stars.

Rogue Jedi's powers: Do anything.

Who wins this fight?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so now Neo is unbeatable? 😆

And lately YOU have been doing all the gimping.

Do try and pay attention to the rules of the thread.

Within the Matrix, yes. Have you watched the movies? Did you understand them?

Where have I gimped Luke?

As mentioned, Neo's powers have been gimped to lower himself at a more manageable level for Luke, that should tell you something; ofcourse it doesn't. Not that it really matters since there are near-limitless ways Neo can defeat Luke while within the Matrix.

Originally posted by Robtard
Within the Matrix, yes. Have you watched the movies? Did you understand them?

Where have I gimped Luke?

As mentioned, Neo's powers have been gimped to lower himself at a more manageable level for Luke, that should tell you something; ofcourse it doesn't. Not that it really matters since there are near-limitless ways Neo can defeat Luke while within the Matrix.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See, thats the thing, Neo cant do ANYTHING.

You really have no understanding of "freely manipulating reality" implies. It's no ones fault but yours, I tried to explain this to you in many ways, you refuse to grasp though.

Lets take a different approach. What does "freely manipulating reality" mean to you?

Originally posted by Robtard
You really have no understanding of "freely manipulating reality" implies. It's no ones fault but yours, I tried to explain this to you in many ways, you refuse to grasp though.

Lets take a different approach. What does "freely manipulating reality" mean to you?

Why did Trinity die?
Why did the keymaker die?
Why was Zion attacked?
Why didnt Neo just WILL the Agents away?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
see WD's last post for my response to that.

Well, if he did, movie #2 and especially #3 would have been a 5 minute short. Like I said, he can do whatever he wants within the Matrix, the limitations he has are the ones he imposes on himself.

Why doesn't Superman use one of his most powerful abilities of "super-speed' in conjunction with his strength and invulnerability to defeat the majority of his foes each and every time? Answer: Because it wouldn't be much of a fight/story.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Depends on the individual who is doing the manipulating?

Why did Trinity die?
Why did the keymaker die?
Why was Zion attacked?
Why didnt Neo just WILL the Agents away?

That wasn't an answer, now was it. I posted the definition of "freely", did you happen to see "without hindrance", besides the other definitions which basically imply the same thing?

Because she had to.
Because he had to.
Because it had to be.
Because he didn't/wasn't supposed to happen that way and it would have made for a short movie.

This tells me you watched, but didn't understand what was being told to you.

There's no chance in hell I'm even picturing this juiced up version of Luke in this fight. As originally planned, I'm picturing a young Luke getting in touch with his Jedi powers, mastering them, but being only slightly more powerful than Vader. Seriously, the Emporer's force lightning almost killed Luke, yet Neo has to automatically lose to Luke?

It's irrelevant which version of Luke is used, as long as the fight is within the Matrix or Neo has his abilities like he were in the Matrix (which would be the same thing essentially), Neo wins.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's irrelevant which version of Luke is used, as long as the fight is within the Matrix or Neo has his abilities like he were in the Matrix (which would be the same thing essentially), Neo wins.

Yes, although that is true, if RJ would get it through his thick skull that ep. 4-6 Luke would never stand a chance against Neo, he'd last less due his powers not being nowhere near the level they are in those so-called "novels".

If anything, the Luke portayed in the "novels" might be wiser, and therefore not even participate in the fight. leaving it a mystery.

Originally posted by Scythe
Yes, although that is true, if RJ would get it through his thick skull that ep. 4-6 Luke would never stand a chance against Neo, he'd last less due his powers not being nowhere near the level they are in those so-called "novels".

If anything, the Luke portayed in the "novels" might be wiser, and therefore not even participate in the fight. leaving it a mystery.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I admitted LONG ago ep 4 thru 6 Luke has no chance against Neo. Maybe you should go back and read ALL of the posts here before spouting offf.

As much as I feel like reading through 40 pages of close-minded banter from you, I could care less if you agreed or not, seeing as you did, then you'de also accept the fact that this fantasy fight is over, the victory goes to Neo for besting ep. 4-6 Luke. End of story.

This has turned into everyone whooping RJ and him going "Don't agree.".

It's dumb.

-AC

Obviously. Heh.