Neo vs. Luke Skywalker

Originally posted by Scythe
With Luke projecting many images of himself, and making Neo's heart burst with a thought, sounds like you're kinda god-modding Luke alot. I understand that you're basing all this on a Luke that was talked about in an official, licensed by LucasArts or whatever publishing company unfortunetly craps them out, novel that has nothing to do with actual storyline canon. I feel like I'm repeating everything AC is saying cuz you just don't understand.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
By RJ's rationale, he could beat Galactus.

-AC

And "the one", creator of Primus and Unicron as well as Primus and Unicron themselves, and The Beyonder, and even anyone using the infinity gauntlet. Haha.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey, I am merely quoting some of Lukes PROVEN powers. It is DOCUMENTED.

I am marely quoting Neo in his god form, it is DEPICTED. One with the Matrix, he even materialized a pair of sunglasses.

Originally posted by Scythe
I am marely quoting Neo in his god form, one with the Matrix, he even materialized a pair of sunglasses.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So Luke cant manipulate Neos mind? That goes against the thread starters conditions, where all of Lukes powers work on him.

And Luke could just as easily battle several Neos as he could one Neo, read on.

That's erroneous though. To say it would work ON him, not "He has the ability to use it." is wrong, cos it wouldn't work. I think he meant that he just has the ability to use his powers.

I didn't say several, although that is not true either.

I said a city of Neo clones. If you're so intent on being silly, I will offer up that very possible scenario to the point that you cannot deny Luke's loss.

So I'm asking you, would Luke win? Yes or no? You're fond of "Yes or no", afford me the same courtesy.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And these are just a few of the powers at Lukes disposal.

But hey, we all know you will ignore D Guys conditions and say that these wont work on Neo.

Why are you posting shit we've already refuted?

-AC

Originally posted by Robtard
"Freely manipulate reality" can Luke counter that? Name some power that counters or matches "doing anything", go on?

"Manipulating Luke's mind" doesn't even have to go into the equation, he could simply will the force not to exist. Also of note, notice how Neo has to be gimped here with the "can't manipulate his mind" thing. That should tell you something about how powerful Neo is as compared to Luke. See?

To say Neo can will the force away from the Matrix is gimping Luke, as you say, thus NOT following the thread starters conditions. Its taking away Lukes powers.

See?

Originally posted by Robtard

Neo has the ability to do anything he wills. "Freely manipulate reality."

Then why didn't he just snap his fingers and disintegrated Smith in Revolutions instead of fighting him? Why did he had to make a treaty with the machines when he could have wipe them out? Why didn't he revive Trinity when she died the second time in the real world?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Thats just it, he appears to have god like powers, but he is not a God. If he was a god, he could have defeated the evils that be with a snap of his finger.

But he was depicted, it was storyline canon, not concealed in the pages of some SW virgin's basement. That was the point I was trying to make, that the film showed him like that. As much as people respect the SW novels, I for one don't, they're shit, fanboyism at it's best. Just another way to make money for SW.

If you take major video game characters, like, let's say...Cloud Strife from FF VII, he's limited in the video game, but his storyline has been fleshed mostly in fan made mangas and doujinshis. Not canon....

Also, for the purpose of it being a movie, it was given some logic. Why didn't use his Jedi powers at times where he could've, it's a movie...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

That's erroneous though. To say it would work ON him, not "He has the ability to use it." is wrong, cos it wouldn't work. I think he meant that he just has the ability to use his powers.

I didn't say several, although that is not true either.

I said a city of Neo clones. If you're so intent on being silly, I will offer up that very possible scenario to the point that you cannot deny Luke's loss.

So I'm asking you, would Luke win? Yes or no? You're fond of "Yes or no", afford me the same courtesy.

Why are you posting shit we've already refuted?

-AC [/B]

You keep determining which of Lukes powers would work on Neo, when it has been stated that ALL of Lukes powers work on Neo, and vice versa.

You are over analyzing everything, and not focusing on the fight itself.

But to answer your question, no, Luke could not defeat an entire city of Neos, though he would give them one helluva fight.

Originally posted by Scythe
But he was depicted, it was storyline canon, not concealed in the pages of some SW virgin's basement. That was the point I was trying to make, that the film showed him like that. As much as people respect the SW novels, I for one don't, they're shit, fanboyism at it's best. Just another way to make money for SW.

If you take major video game characters, like, let's say...Cloud Strife from FF VII, he's limited in the video game, but his storyline has been fleshed mostly in fan made mangas and doujinshis. Not canon....

Also, for the purpose of it being a movie, it was given some logic. Why didn't use his Jedi powers at times where he could've, it's a movie...

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Then why didn't he just snap his fingers and disintegrated Smith in Revolutions instead of fighting him? Why did he had to make a treaty with the machines when he could have wipe them out? Why didn't he revive Trinity when she died the second time in the real world?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Then why didn't he just snap his fingers and disintegrated Smith in Revolutions instead of fighting him? Why did he had to make a treaty with the machines when he could have wipe them out? Why didn't he revive Trinity when she died the second time in the real world?

One question, did you watch Revolutions?

1) If he did that, there'd be a pretty short movie.

2) Because that wasn't in the Matrix.

Do you understand, or does that need to be in crayola? Why do you keep bringing up the real world? We're discussing the fight in the Matrix.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
This thread isnt about Luke versus a city of Neos, its about Luke versus Neo, one on one. ALL of their powers working on the other.

Saying that powers will definitely work on the other is not the person's decision to make, so it's an erroneous stipulation.

Secondly, it seemed fine for you to say "MULTIPLE LUKES! MULTIPLE LUKE IMAGES!". Why not the same for Neo? He's not going to be able to tell which one out of a city of holograms is the real Neo before he gets a bullet in the head.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You keep determining which of Lukes powers would work on Neo, when it has been stated that ALL of Lukes powers work on Neo, and vice versa.

And anyone can see that's a stupid stipulation, because then it gets even more confusing and dare I say impossible than before.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
You are over analyzing everything, and not focusing on the fight itself.

Because the fight itself is IMPOSSIBLE by the way the stipulations and conditions have been set.

ONE of these days you will get this.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
But to answer your question, no, Luke could not defeat an entire city of Neos, though he would give them one helluva fight.

He wouldn't give millions of Neos a hell of a fight, stop being stupid.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dont tell me, tell D Guy.

What's he got to do with this? He's not the one arguing right here and now.

Luke would have to enter the Matrix to fight Neo, midi-Chlorians happan. Bam! Instantly they wouldn't even work for shit since Neo wouldn't allow them to happen. Luke's force powers are numbed down, it'll come down to skill. Neo has all the skill at his very thoughts. One -sided.

You've got to understand, Scythe.

We understand the force, because it's a simple concept.

These people do not understand the Matrix.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You've got to understand, Scythe.

We understand the force, because it's a simple concept.

These people do not understand the Matrix.

-AC

Guh, I suppose so.

Originally posted by Scythe
What's he got to do with this? He's not the one arguing right here and now.

Luke would have to enter the Matrix to fight Neo, midi-Chlorians happan. Bam! Instantly they wouldn't even work for shit since Neo wouldn't allow them to happen. Luke's force powers are numbed down, it'll come down to skill. Neo has all the skill at his very thoughts. One -sided.

Luke has ALL his powers ALL throughout the fight.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You've got to understand, Scythe.

We understand the force, because it's a simple concept.

These people do not understand the Matrix.

-AC

Not even gonna touch that hypocritical nugget.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Cuz he's the one who started the thread and he's the one who set the conditions of the thread.

Luke has ALL his powers ALL throughout the fight.

Still wouldn't matter. Neo's domain, Neo's reality, Neo's rules, Neo's win.

You don't understand why, that's not our problem, it's yours. Get to understanding or stop debating the rules of the Matrix. It's all very well and good you saying "I know more than you about Luke's powers.", but the fact that you do not grasp the Matrix is why that's irrelevant.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not even gonna touch that hypocritical nugget.

Still wouldn't matter. Neo's domain, Neo's reality, Neo's rules, Neo's win.

You don't understand why, that's not our problem, it's yours. Get to understanding or stop debating the rules of the Matrix. It's all very well and good you saying "I know more than you about Luke's powers.", but the fact that you do not grasp the Matrix is why that's irrelevant.

-AC

I understand enough about the Matrix to know what Neo can and cannot do, so why dont you switch channels....

Its obvious the fight is in the matrix because Luke entering the Matrix with the force is more feasible than Neo fighting outside the Matrix while retaining his powers.

But hey, I know you'll reply with the usual shit, about how I dont understand the Matrix, because really thats the only leg you have to stand on at this point.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you are misinterpretting what D Guy stated and exploiting it to suit your own means.

I understand enough about the Matrix to know what Neo can and cannot do, so why dont you switch channels....

Its obvious the fight is in the matrix because Luke entering the Matrix with the force is more feasible than Neo fighting outside the Matrix while retaining his powers.

But hey, I know you'll reply with the usual shit, about how I dont understand the Matrix, because really thats the only leg you have to stand on at this point.

If you really did, you would understand how Luke can't win here, in fact, Luke has no chance, unless of course Neo wills him one. This isn't because Luke is weak by any means either, it's just a fact about Neo and his claus of "freely manipulating reality" while within the Matrix.

Think about what those three words imply "freely manipulating reality". Like I said, it's not "Luke loses because he is weak", it's "Luke loses because Neo can't lose in the Matrix" (unless he wishes). Understand now?

It's as fair a fight as Q vs Chewbacca, which is just stupid.