*sigh* i know you're trying to argue that he'll anticipate them. its still just as stupid. seriously, all cyke needs to do is keep is optic beams shooting. he doesn't need to just do single beams. if he keeps them on, then as long as he sees bats, bats gets hit. its seriously asinine to assume that bats with no prep will be able to deal with that. without prep, cyke wins the majority. with prep, bats does.
😆 you know pretty much every peak human has been displayed "dodging" at the same level more or less. don't hear you complaining about that. they all use the same "excuse" too, they anticipate them. if you thinks it's stupid, go tell someone who can do something about it, in other words, not me............maybe god.......he's pretty powerful.
batman FTM
Originally posted by namorsubby
come on, cyke, a [b]human with human resistance taking hits from those guys? he's not even peak human resistance level. [/B]
Cyke, while not peak human, is still pretty damn close. He would be considered top-tier athletic. Out of all the X-Men, he works out the hardest, not just in strength but in every physical aspect (speed, agility, endurance, reflexes, etc.).
In addition to this, his skills are good enough for him to avoid taking full-force attacks most of the time. OBVIOUSLY a full-force punch from Colossus would kill him. Cyke is able to roll with a lot of things, something he'd have his training to thank. That's not to say that he still doesn't get hit EXTREMELY hard in some cases. For example, he was unable to roll with that Sentinel hit at all. His great physical conditioning combined with his nearly unequaled will-power keeps him in fights against super-strong opponents and enables him to withstand their attacks to some degree.
Also, I never want to see you saying that Batman can TRULY withstand blows from super-strong opponents. Because then I'll bring up this thread, this post specifically.
your retort = "i can't logically think of a way for batman to win so i'll just spout crap and try to sound intelligent."
explain to me how batman dodges a steady stream of optic blast. all cyke has to do is see bats to hit him. are you seriously going to say that batman is able to continuously move to fast for the eye to see? well, i'm pretty sure plenty of damn people see batman in there fights. sorry.
also, you act as if batman has never gotten hit before. guess what, he has. bats has been hit FAR more often then cyke has missed something. hell, batman gets punched pretty damn often. someone can hit batman with a damn punch, then why would it be so hard for cyke to blast him BY LOOKING AT HIM.
Originally posted by namorsubby
he's not "dodging" them, as in, he's faster than the rays itself.he..........go look a few pages back.
So, you concede that he's unable to actually dodge said beams (more so, he anticipates their trajectory and moves from that position). Then why are you still arguing that he will be able to avoid being hit? Unless you REALLY believe that Batman is going to instantly disappear from Cyke's vision. In which case, you're a lost cause.
Cyke, while not peak human, is still pretty damn close. He would be considered top-tier athletic. Out of all the X-Men, he works out the hardest, not just in strength but in every physical aspect (speed, agility, endurance, reflexes, etc.).
In addition to this, his skills are good enough for him to avoid taking full-force attacks most of the time. OBVIOUSLY a full-force punch from Colossus would kill him. Cyke is able to roll with a lot of things, something he'd have his training to thank. That's not to say that he still doesn't get hit EXTREMELY hard in some cases. For example, he was unable to roll with that Sentinel hit at all. His great physical conditioning combined with his nearly unequaled will-power keeps him in fights against super-strong opponents and enables him to withstand their attacks to some degree.
Also, I never want to see you saying that Batman can TRULY withstand blows from super-strong opponents. Because then I'll bring up this thread, this post specifically.
ooooooohhhhhh.😆
bats has, doesn't mean it's legit.although the human body can take much more than normal, if routinely challenged to.like a professional fighter. or like those guys who break cinder blocks and such.
Originally posted by Metalmanxso he can dodge supergirl, but not cyclops?
So, you concede that he's unable to actually dodge said beams (more so, he anticipates their trajectory and moves from that position). Then why are you still arguing that he will be able to avoid being hit? Unless you REALLY believe that Batman is going to instantly disappear from Cyke's vision. In which case, you're a lost cause.
batman can't disappear.he's only human 😆
edit: oh, and cyclops just doesn't hit everything he sees(it seemed like you were implying it).i discussed this for sometime a ways back. if he did, then he'd never miss. all he'd have to do is see.
Originally posted by namorsubby
so he can dodge supergirl, but not cyclops?batman can't disappear.he's only human 😆
...You missed the point entirely.
He shouldn't be able to DODGE Supergirl either.
Can he anticipate and then move out of the way? Sure. Is it nigh-impossible for him to do this against anything traveling at the speed of light that is also controlled by the user's eyes? Hells to the yes.
Originally posted by namorsubby
so he can dodge supergirl, but not cyclops?batman can't disappear.he's only human 😆
edit: oh, and cyclops just doesn't hit everything he sees(it seemed like you were implying it).i discussed this for sometime a ways back. if he did, then he'd [b]never
miss. all he'd have to do is see. [/B]
Uh...no? 🤨
Cyke has hardly ever missed in his career. The only times that I can think of him missing anything/anyone are when: 1) He wasn't actually trying to hit his opponent, merely distract or something else, and 2) when his opponent has super-speed/super-reflexes.
Originally posted by emporerpantsthere we go again implying cyke hits everything he sees:
your retort = "i can't logically think of a way for batman to win so i'll just spout crap and try to sound intelligent."explain to me how batman dodges a steady stream of optic blast. all cyke has to do is see bats to hit him. are you seriously going to say that batman is able to continuously move to fast for the eye to see? well, i'm pretty sure plenty of damn people see batman in there fights. sorry.
also, you act as if batman has never gotten hit before. guess what, he has. bats has been hit FAR more often then cyke has missed something. hell, batman gets punched pretty damn often. someone can hit batman with a damn punch, then why would it be so hard for cyke to blast him BY LOOKING AT HIM.
"are you seriously going to say that batman is able to continuously move to fast for the eye to see?"
"then why would it be so hard for cyke to blast him BY LOOKING AT HIM"
like i said, if he did, he never miss.i say bats can evade cyke because he has comparable feats to prove it.i even posted some a ways back. i've been here for a while
Originally posted by Metalmanxi posted magneto dodging him close range. i could see if i could find more, but that would be a lot of work.i mean, i don't even know where to start searching.i'd just have to download a whole bunch of cyke appearances and skim through them.i don't want to do all that.😆
Uh...no? 🤨Cyke has hardly ever missed in his career. The only times that I can think of him missing anything/anyone are when: 1) He wasn't actually trying to hit his opponent, merely distract or something else, and 2) when his opponent has super-speed/super-reflexes.
Originally posted by Metalmanxsee, you can't argue your point effectively without calling all of batman feats comparable to(or beyond) evading cyke PIS. that's why he wins, because i have feats that say so, and nobody can refute them without callling them illegitamit
...You missed the point entirely.He shouldn't be able to DODGE Supergirl either.
Can he anticipate and then move out of the way? Sure. Is it nigh-impossible for him to do this against anything traveling at the speed of light that is also controlled by the user's eyes? Hells to the yes.
Originally posted by namorsubby
i posted magneto dodging him [b]close range. i could see if i could find more, but that would be a lot of work.i mean, i don't even know where to start searching.i'd just have to download a whole bunch of cyke appearances and skim through them.i don't want to do all that.😆 [/B]
Magneto has superhuman reflexes. Don't ask me why or how. But he does. There's a scan somewhere on here to prove it. I don't like it either, but it's fact. So...nice try?
Originally posted by namorsubby
see, you can't argue your point effectively without calling all of batman feats comparable to(or beyond) evading cyke PIS. that's why he wins.
😆 ..."that's why he wins". Because of the SLIIIIIIIIM chance that Cyke misses the first blast, Batman automatically wins?
You are quickly becoming my new favorite debator around here. Keep up the good work. 👆
Originally posted by namorsubby
see, you can't argue your point effectively without calling all of batman feats comparable to(or beyond) evading cyke PIS. that's why he wins, because i have feats that say so, and nobody can refute them without callling them illegitamit
Ah, nice editing job there. 😉
Except we have refuted them. Without calling it PIS even. All we've done is shown you more than one feat of Cyke hitting someone with SUPER-SPEED AND SUPER-REFLEXES (Quicksilver and Northstar). So, unless you honestly believe that Batman can move faster than either of these two, you're point is moot. You can show Batman dodging lasers all day long, but unless that equates to him having super-speed+super-reflexes, it just ain't cutting it.
Originally posted by namorsubby
if cyclops attempted to take off his visor he'd get blindsided quick.especially if batman has seen what he can do with it on.