Predators

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
i want to know how the predators got the prey to their planet. where they beamed there? and how far is this planet from earth. i know it's galaxies away. and why humans only. i'm sure there are other civilizations in outter space with bad asses and it would've been cool if that kind or race was thrown in with the humans like mixed nuts. i mean it's what they do, don't they. scour the cosmos for the toughest of the tough in order to challenge them and increase their ranking amoung each other. i'd also like to know how they're gonna leave.

also, that planet, i seemed like it was more a hunting ground rather than their home planet. like some lush rock the picked in space to engaged their game. maybe it's a moon of the predator planet cause i could've sworn i saw a red planet in the distance similar to the one in the avp film. or maybe it's the other way around. the red planet in avp was just a moon or base they used for technical operations and the planet we see in "predators" is their home. i dunno..

but i read that theres a comic book that came out a coupe of days ago, along with the film, that's the prequel to "predators" where it basically explains whyand what happens with the predators and the captors just before being ported to the new planet.

They do get other stuff, it was mentioned at one point just it works in seasons.

It also isn't there planet, like you said it was a lush planet used for hunting.

It would have been awesome for them to show the Yautja capturing the humans from prison/battlefield, etc. Imagine how cool it would be to have them kidnap that guy from a maximu-security prison.

LOL at people saying this is better than Predator 2.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
You do realize that the comic book portrayals of the Predators are not the correct versions, right?

The movie versions are the real depictions of the creatures.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I didn't read too much of this thread for fear of spoilers but can somebody tell me if this is a restart or a continuation of the Predator or AVP movies?

Originally posted by Darth Martin

LOL at people saying this is better than Predator 2.

When did I say anything about comic depictions of the creature? The Predators in the film were incompetent, killed too easily, and were pretty stupid. They weren't consistent with the other Predators from the first two films.

although i have to admit that the predatrs in "predators" seemed dumb at times, like when the russian soldier pulled out those 2 grenades and the predator looked on like a curious puppy. like wtf? the original predator would've launched that dude in the opposite direction and fled the other way and got away.

And LOL at people saying that Predator 2 was better than Predators.

i thought i read once that the predators director or producers made the film in the hopes that people'd forget about 2. as if they wanted us to forget about 2, but i already did long ago. as far as i'm concerned predators is the real predator 2, to me.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
although i have to admit that the predatrs in "predators" seemed dumb at times, like when the russian soldier pulled out those 2 grenades and the predator looked on like a curious puppy. like wtf? the original predator would've launched that dude in the opposite direction and fled the other way and got away.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
i thought i read once that the predators director or producers made the film in the hopes that people'd forget about 2. as if they wanted us to forget about 2, but i already did long ago. as far as i'm concerned predators is the real predator 2, to me.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And LOL at people saying that Predator 2 was better than Predators.

Originally posted by BackFire
They didn't earn the twist. They coulda made it work if they put an ounce of effort in, but instead it was basically 'hey i'm a good guy' throughout the whole movie, then at the end 'oh wait, i'm bad now'. Was just poorly written to a very large degree.

Well yeah, how else would a serial killer incognito have acted? He's obviously gonna wear a smile and put on a non-threatening front. If you look at most serial killers throughout history, they tend to look like regular working people (Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacey), because during the day, that's what they are. Fictional serial killers as well. They don't look like gang-bangers, all tatted up and mad-dogging everyone they see.

If the movie showed flashbacks of him killing someone, that might have worked. But for the most part, he would be too smart to reveal it. " So you're Yakuza? And you're former Black Ops? Oh by the way, about me...."

Originally posted by BackFire

And it made sense as to why they'd want a doctor there. Maybe they wanted someone who could help patch up injured victims, so that they could be hunted again another day.

That wouldn't make sense. The Predators ship humans there for one reason: to die for their amusement. So then they pick one who can give them shots and bandages in the mean time? That would defeat the whole purpose of the thing.

If they caught a doc in the middle of an operation, would the person being performed on be off-limits? What about the doc himself? Could they be killed, or were they treated like medics? And how long after getting patched up, could a guy get killed?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Well yeah, how else would a serial killer incognito have acted? He's obviously gonna wear a smile and put on a non-threatening front. If you look at most serial killers throughout history, they tend to look like regular working people (Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacey), because during the day, that's what they are. Fictional serial killers as well. They don't look like gang-bangers, all tatted up and mad-dogging everyone they see.

If the movie showed flashbacks of him killing someone, that might have worked. But for the most part, he would be too smart to reveal it. " So you're Yakuza? And you're former Black Ops? Oh by the way, about me...."

That wouldn't make sense. The Predators ship humans there for one reason: to die for their amusement. So then they pick one who can give them shots and bandages in the mean time? That would defeat the whole purpose of the thing.

If they caught a doc in the middle of an operation, would the person being performed on be off-limits? What about the doc himself? Could they be killed, or were they treated like medics? And how long after getting patched up, could a guy get killed?

Him hiding it a bit is fine, but the fact is for a twist to work there has to be at least some hint during the course of the story, or else it's not a twist, it's just a lie. It's just the movie saying one thing the whole time and then ending up doing something else. From a writing standpoint it takes no talent to do that, literally anyone can do it, which is the problem. A twist should make the viewer go "ohhhh, wow, now it all makes sense." Not "wtf, how's that work." This one did the latter. There should have been a few subtle hints here and there that he wasn't a wholesome guy. Don't need flashbacks, just anything that would have made it possible for the audience to wager a guess that there's something not quite forthcoming about him.

Who says they are killing them for their amusement? The film botched this as well, it didn't explain it. I took away that they were hunting them for training, not just for the **** of it. So having a doctor there to maybe bring the hunt closer to what an actual battle might be like would make sense.

He was selected as a

Spoiler:
serial killer

Originally posted by BackFire
There should have been a few subtle hints here and there that he wasn't a wholesome guy.

Well, how about the fact that he was there in the first place? The planet was a game preserve where the Predators only brought humans they deemed worthy of hunting. You had a bunch of hardened, crazy fools who had weapons on them when they were abducted, and then one unarmed nerdy-lookin fool, who looked like either a computer techie or some run-of-the-mill office worker who spends all day in a cubicle. He was the least forthcoming about himself, aside from the Yakuza who pretended to not speak English. All those were a red flag. I kept wondering when they were gonna explain why he was chosen for the hunt. As for subtle hints: I noticed that when he collected the neurotoxin from the flower, he didn’t wipe it off his scalpel, and presumably saved it for later. Then when he said the kids in the Russian guy’s photo were his, I thought to myself, “Ok, he’s definitely up to something”. And when he cut the Israeli lady and revealed who he was, it all came together; the “Ohhhh, wow” moment you mentioned.

So the Predators picked him because deception, infiltration and backstabbing made him a deadly opponent, as opposed to high caliber weaponry and brute strength. He was like those small, unassuming animals in nature that pack a powerful venom (literally in the case of his poisoned knife).

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Well, how about the fact that he was there in the first place? The planet was a game preserve where the Predators only brought humans they deemed worthy of hunting. You had a bunch of hardened, crazy fools who had weapons on them when they were abducted, and then one unarmed nerdy-lookin fool, who looked like either a computer techie or some run-of-the-mill office worker who spends all day in a cubicle. He was the least forthcoming about himself, aside from the Yakuza who pretended to not speak English. All those were a red flag. I kept wondering when they were gonna explain why he was chosen for the hunt. As for subtle hints: I noticed that when he collected the neurotoxin from the flower, he didn’t wipe it off his scalpel, and presumably saved it for later. Then when he said the kids in the Russian guy’s photo were his, I thought to myself, “Ok, he’s definitely up to something”. And when he cut the Israeli lady and revealed who he was, it all came together; the “Ohhhh, wow” moment you mentioned.

So the Predators picked him because deception, infiltration and backstabbing made him a deadly opponent, as opposed to high caliber weaponry and brute strength. He was like those small, unassuming animals in nature that pack a powerful venom (literally in the case of his poisoned knife).

Yeah, I thought the same thing on all accounts. I figured he saved the venom for something sneaky, and noticed he was really lying when he had the pic of the kids.

Originally posted by Scythe
Yeah, I thought the same thing on all accounts. I figured he saved the venom for something sneaky, and noticed he was really lying when he had the pic of the kids.

I'm not using hindsight bias, if that's what you're thinking. I honestly thought all that as the film was going along.

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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Well, how about the fact that he was there in the first place? The planet was a game preserve where the Predators only brought humans they deemed worthy of hunting. You had a bunch of hardened, crazy fools who had weapons on them when they were abducted, and then one unarmed nerdy-lookin fool, who looked like either a computer techie or some run-of-the-mill office worker who spends all day in a cubicle. He was the least forthcoming about himself, aside from the Yakuza who pretended to not speak English. All those were a red flag. I kept wondering when they were gonna explain why he was chosen for the hunt. As for subtle hints: I noticed that when he collected the neurotoxin from the flower, he didn’t wipe it off his scalpel, and presumably saved it for later. Then when he said the kids in the Russian guy’s photo were his, I thought to myself, “Ok, he’s definitely up to something”. And when he cut the Israeli lady and revealed who he was, it all came together; the “Ohhhh, wow” moment you mentioned.

So the Predators picked him because deception, infiltration and backstabbing made him a deadly opponent, as opposed to high caliber weaponry and brute strength. He was like those small, unassuming animals in nature that pack a powerful venom (literally in the case of his poisoned knife).

Fair enough, but i really just though the twist was dim and pointless. But to each his own. The things you mention don't impress me, they're way to meek.

And being a doctor would make him deadly in the context of battle, as he can keep other soldiers fighting when they otherwise wouldn't be able to.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'm not using hindsight bias, if that's what you're thinking. I honestly thought all that as the film was going along.

I know what you mean, I did the same thing. When it was revealed that he was not such a good person, I thought back to the tidbits, like the venom and picture part, and I was left with the impression that they were hints.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
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"....and Morpheus! These Predators don't stand a chance!"

That's funny as hell.

Watched it last night, only had a few disappointments.

Near the begining when they saw that one guy with his chest imploded that was taking cover alone, i honestly thought aliens were going to pop up somewhere. Whatever.

Machete dying right away after seeing his preview before the movie.

Morpheus dying in the lamest way after supposeldy surviving 7-10 seasons.

What were with those crates with the roach infested weird looking beings? Were those another species the preds were hunting as well? Could be.. never got to know.

***** raping time.

Okay, I just saw this movie last night and... it was just alright.

It was better than both AVP films, however, and that's pretty much what I expected. But I was hoping it'd be better than it was.

Complaints:
- The pacing had problems; the first act seemed to drag at times.
- Topher Grace was so out of place and bugged the crap out of me. His twist was executed poorly and unnecessary in the first place.
- The dialogue/conversations weren't well-written. "Your ass is awesome" - Most of the conversations went something like this: "Where are we?" - "We're where you don't ever wanna be...." Just questions and half-ass attempts at a badass, abrupt response.
- The action scenes were mostly underwhelming. The ninja swordfight was okay, but nothing special, the Predator vs. Predator fight was pretty cool, Adrien Brody acting like Arnold at the end was kind of lame.
- The ending of the film was kind of predictable/underwhelming too.
- Morpheus was lame.

Things I liked:
- I kinda liked the use of the original Predator score.
- I liked some of the throwbacks to the original as well.
- The Predators looked awesome, as always.
- The setting was neat; I enjoyed the fact that they were on an alien planet, in the jungle.
- Some of the action was good, like the Predator vs. Predator fight I mentioned earlier.

All in all I'd give it maybe a 6/10, worth a matinee or a rental.

Then again, topher is always out of place.

Spiderman 3 rings a bell.

I didn't like that the characters were killed 1 by 1. Too cliche. Id rather have a good handful go out near the middle in some big brawl.

They didnt mention much about the "blood fued" between the two different preds. I kinda of wish the jungle preds were a little more smaller. Mini preds lol.

Brody did point out that Topher did seem out of place when they were sitting on the rocks.

Originally posted by Mairuzu

What were with those crates with the roach infested weird looking beings? Were those another species the preds were hunting as well? Could be.. never got to know.

***** raping time.

Spoiler:
morpheus implied they hunted things other then humans. Also the thing in the crate was speculated by them to be the thing morpheus shot that was chasing topher.

response to some previous posts.
I don't think Brody was going to pilot the ship, the classic pred set the ship to fly to earth IMO.
Imo predator 2 is slightly better than predators at least it went it's own way and only had the ugly mother f*cker line in it.
If Predators came out in 1990 instead of P2 we would of been sooo pissed cause it was so similar to the first movie. in the way it played out.
If the viewer had never seen any of the other predator or avp movies then predators would be great. but the element of fear and mystery is gone since we know what they are.