Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by Wanderer259
Didn't say it'd change anything.

Oh, well, now that you've changed your meaning...

I don't care too much how Superman flies - he flies, it's one of his powers, I deal with it. But giving him a new resistance out of nowhere that lets him get past a weakness (which Superman needs to keep himself from getting more boring than he already is) is stupid. So, what, Kryptonians now resist magic based on their willingness to overcome it?

Not exactly Supes is nowhere near his old levels, however he is going to get hurt really, really bad in infinite crisis which a lot of you on here will enjoy😄 As a result he is going to get a powerup, for the first time he will understand how his invulnerability works😄 and so will we, this knowledge about how his powers, durability energy reserves etc works will make him, I believe much, much, much stronger. The Supes powerup is coming, be afraid Thanos etc, be very afraid😄

Originally posted by olympian
Yeah just look at Wonder Woman in the recent issue 219. She beat a Superman going all out and the fight started near the sun.

Heh heh

I was going to point that out one day.

And yeah, funny how when one points out instances where magic rendered him vulnerable Superman all of a sudden was either "not ready" or "wasn't trying."

Originally posted by Wanderer259
You're right. They are and it's just as stupid. I'm picking on Superman less than I am just letting my very poor opinion of the writers who made that up known, because Superman 'being vulnerable to magic but it's okay because he can overcome through willpower' is just dumb. What's the point of him being vulnerable to magic then? Why not just make him completely invincible. Hell, he's even getting over Kryptonite nowadays.

You know how it goes. Keeping up with the Joneses and all that good stuff. There wouldn't be anything "super" about him if he didn't get his upgrades as well.

Seems like half the characters nowadays are "god" level of some sort. I agree, it's ridiculous.

Olympian Blaze is a her😄

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
***Bleeding*** ***Death*** ***KO*** are all different things aren't they?

Anyway..since we are taking this so seriously already. Supes already beat him. Story over. End of debate. 🙂

How can you KO someone if not fighting? "Overcome" = resist. Superman doesn't bleed regularly. They stripped him of that vulnerability. He couldn't "overcome it."

You're just wrong and wish not to admit it. Happens often around here 😉

Supes strong..ya feel me wickedph but Tho be like "Thou shalt not f**K with me" and get crunk with dat hamma it's over for da Farm boy...and dat is dat.

Originally posted by Never
How can you KO someone if not fighting? "Overcome" = resist. Superman doesn't bleed regularly. They stripped him of that vulnerability. He couldn't "overcome it."

You're just wrong and wish not to admit it. Happens often around here 😉

Its an elseworlds tale and out of continuity Supes wins it anyway😄

Wait till after Infinite crisis Supes gets his King Thor treatment on difference his not going tto change until the next revamp. Ultimate Thor although weaker is what Thor should always have been😄 and I don't mean a raving loony because the next five issues will show his not.

Originally posted by Mainstream
Supes strong..ya feel me wickedph but Tho be like "Thou shalt not f**K with me" and get crunk with dat hamma it's over for da Farm boy...and dat is dat.

Unless you have some bullets or are much faster and stronger than him😄

Originally posted by Never
How can you KO someone if not fighting? "Overcome" = resist. Superman doesn't bleed regularly. They stripped him of that vulnerability. He couldn't "overcome it."

You're just wrong and wish not to admit it. Happens often around here 😉

Exactly, Overcome = resist.

Does resist = immune?

Whirly is also right..that version of Supes was more vulnerable to magic, and he still resisted it.

Anyway... back on topic.

He beats thor most of the time. Get angry with me, DC, Marvel (who obviously OK'd it) the writers, god, the forum...etc. It happened.

Lets get on with our lives now.

🙂

Wait till after Infinite crisis Supes gets his King Thor treatment on difference his not going tto change until the next revamp. Ultimate Thor although weaker is what Thor should always have been and I don't mean a raving loony because the next five issues will show his not.

What makes you so sure Superman's suddenly going to become Pre-Crisis again?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Exactly, Overcome = resist.

Does resist = immune?

Whirly is also right..that version of Supes was more vulnerable to magic, and he still resisted it.

Anyway... back on topic.

He beats thor most of the time. Get angry with me, DC, Marvel (who obviously OK'd it) the writers, god, the forum...etc. It happened.

Lets get on with our lives now.

🙂

Apparently you don't understand.

Magic STRIPS Superman of invulnerability. Does Superman ordinarily bleed? Nope.

Mjolnir made him bleed. Mjolnir is magic. How many "regular" hammers make Superman bleed? None.

Back to the "does Superman ordinarily bleed" question. What effect does regular lightning have on Superman? None. Shazam's is magical. It made Superman bleed out of his nose and ears and left him smoking.

No, he did not "resist" the effect of magic, no matter what type of spin you try to put on it.

You said he overcomes magic when prepared. He didn't.

Period.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Its an elseworlds tale and out of continuity Supes wins it anyway😄

With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

This is such an exception.

Sorry, you're wrong again. That's what, strike 20? LoL

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Unless you have some bullets or are much faster and stronger than him😄

yeah...I peep ya wickedph

"Am I adding numbers? The man was holding him and reasoning him..does that sound like he was pissed and fighting at 100%?"

With that reasoning, did Marvel fough at 100% both times Superman was eclipsed?

"Either way..did the lightning Kill him? NO. It didnt. Work your way around it anyway you want. He took multiple lighting shots in a vulnerable state and still won."

He didnt won anything. Vulnerable state? The man was at his peak of invulnerability, where does it states he was in a vulnerable condition. And particulary for that fight.

"Olympian Blaze is a her"

And you think im goin to dismiss it just because its a her? I want feats!
😛

Originally posted by olympian
"Am I adding numbers? The man was holding him and reasoning him..does that sound like he was pissed and fighting at 100%?"

With that reasoning, did Marvel fough at 100% both times Superman was eclipsed?

People are making stuff up -- Superman did not TOUCH Marvel and say a word until he managed to get his hand over his mouth. He couldn't take anymore hence him yelling "ENOUGH!" That is when he "reasoned" with him, he couldn't get out a word when Shazam was "Shazaming" him.

LoL, excuses excuses.

Originally posted by Never
This is such an exception.

Sorry, you're wrong again. That's what, strike 20? LoL

Why is it a rare exception, oh I see because you ant it to be😄 More personal abuse😄 you really are very young blah blah blah.

Like your comment about how objects travelling at the speed of sound become a blur. it depends on size, distance and perspective. I can think of objects travelling at thousands of miles an hour that appear stationary to the human eye can you?

"People are making stuff up -- Superman did not TOUCH Marvel and say a word until he managed to get his hand over his mouth. He couldn't take anymore hence him yelling "ENOUGH!" That is when he "reasoned" with him, he couldn't get out a word when Shazam was "Shazaming" him"

And yet when Captain Marvel is show reasoning the -whole fight- against Superman eclipsed, its never taken in consideration.

Neither even when its show and stated he only starts figthing back for real in the end of that very fight. Nah hes weak. But Superman getting beaten without doing anything its holding back.

Holy macarroni Batman.

Originally posted by Never
Apparently you don't understand.

Magic STRIPS Superman of invulnerability. Does Superman ordinarily bleed? Nope.

Mjolnir made him bleed. Mjolnir is magic. How many "regular" hammers make Superman bleed? None.

Back to the "does Superman ordinarily bleed" question. What effect does regular lightning have on Superman? None. Shazam's is magical. It made Superman bleed out of his nose and ears and left him smoking.

No, he did not "resist" the effect of magic, no matter what type of spin you try to put on it.

You said he overcomes magic when prepared. He didn't.

Period.

Apparently you don't understand... what part of he isn't IMMUNE to magic dont you get? Apparently when aware, he does develop more resistance to it.

Have I denied the Hammer made him bleed? What happened later when Supes was prepared for it? He caught it.

With CM, what was he doing? Reasoning with him right? He knew the lightning would hit him and got hit with it quite a few times. He wasn't KO'd, thus he OVERCAME it. Simple right?

Gracias.

"With CM, what was he doing? Reasoning with him right? He knew the lightning would hit him and got hit with it quite a few times. He wasn't KO'd, thus he OVERCAME it. Simple right"

So he let himself get hit on porpuse?

Or wasent he fast enough to dodge them after being hit by the first bolt.

Originally posted by Never
People are making stuff up -- Superman did not TOUCH Marvel and say a word until he managed to get his hand over his mouth. He couldn't take anymore hence him yelling "ENOUGH!" That is when he "reasoned" with him, he couldn't get out a word when Shazam was "Shazaming" him.

LoL, excuses excuses.

The text box, narrator "His face is a mask of confusion, he cannot comprehend how things came to this. Once upon a time, Captain Marvel was one of his greatest allies".

"We have to work together---!, Marvel strikes him😄

Page 173 Marvels lightning.

"Marvel in the name of heaven, wipe that empty smile off your face!"
"You were a friend once etc", for about a page then then the lightning😄 8 blasts and Supes has a nosebleed😄 and blood from his ear, otherwise unhurt.😄

No one but you is confused.

Keep the faith😄

Stay Whirly🤘