i think we should never use crossover as fact or anything like that.
-Venom was kicking sups ass.
-Wov stabed and ****ed lobo
- Darkseid was fighting Thanos(i wonder why lol)
- Storm beated WW( storm is no kid but hey)
- THor beated Cap marvel (with ease)
- Quicksilver was racing Flash (seem like they were close)
etc am sure there are more.
The following are Thor's statisitcs taken from a Marvel website:
Intelligence: Above Normal (5/10)
Strength: Superhuman Class 100 (11/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Flight Speed: Unrevealed, probably Escape Velocity (9/12)
Stamina: Godlike (9/10)
Durability: Metahuman (9/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)
The battle between these two would be a crazy one but as far as fighting intelligence goes... Thor's way of fighting is "hit it with a hammer until it falls." he never tries to come up with plans to outsmart his enemies... just throws Mjolnir at them and hopes it works. Thor would be trying to pulverize Superman with his hammer the entire time not trying to come up with a plan. Superman though would dodge him and stay a little further away, which would not be a problem since he is faster than Thor. Thor is too hot headed and he would get frustrated and become too impulsive. This would be Thor's main downfall... he would try to go punch for punch with someone who is:
1. Just as strong.
2. More invulnerable. (Thor uses his hammer to block bullets and missiles. Superman took a ground zero blast from a nuclear warhead.)
3. Faster. (Be serious now Marvel fan boys... Thor has nowhere near the mobility in air that Superman has.... How can you compare someone who reaches "Escape Velocity", with someone that approaches the speed of light?) In Superman #108 (1995)... the Trial of Superman saga... Superman chased a rocket that was going the speed of light from Earth to Krypton. He didnt catch it but he stayed with it meaning he was going pretty close or equal to the speed of light.
Now for everyone saying that Thor would be able to hurt Superman with magic... how would he know what to do? He does not have any idea what strengths and weaknesses Superman has, just like Superman wouldn't know Thor's strengths and weaknesses at first. Thor would go in swinging his hammer, trying to kick butt first, and ask questions later. It would be easier for Superman to figure out the majority of Thor's powers come from his hammer, than it will be for Thor to decide whether or not he would use a magic Thunderbolt or a regular one. In a Marvel Guidebook it says that Thor can lit well over 100 tons... it says somewhere around 150 tons. Marvel never really states it. The biggest thing Thor has moved is an island.... while Superman moved WarWorld all by himself in Action Comics #782 (yes that is Post-Crisis). Superman was trained by Mongul jr. During the training Mongul said that the only thing holding Superman's powers at lower levels is his own conciousness. Superman is said to lift somewhere around 2500 tons... large part due to his tactilekinesis.
Thor can not win. Those are the facts. How would he know "Superman is hurt by magic." He wouldn't he would go out there swinging and get knocked out. Like you all are going to side with a guy that is thousands of years old and still gets put in timeout by his pops (Odin) when he misbehaves?
The only way Thor would stand a chance is if he had the Odinpower. Thor by himself would lose... he had trouble keeping up with the Hulk's punches... and Superman is faster than the Hulk.
Thor is powerful but face facts... when a menace is threatening Marvel Earth... you dont see everyone yelling, "THIS IS A JOB FOR THOR!!!" Superman leads the Justice League into battle all the time... Thor suggests the Avengers run in and let him throw his hammer.
Superman is smarter, stronger, and faster... I provided evidence of how fast Superman is, how he is stronger, and the whole keeping cool under pressure and being a "smarter fighter" that is just common knowledge. If you all do not know that about Thor then you have no business trying to defend his side. You all keep going on the idea that Thor will somehow know all of Superman's weaknesses... in reality Thor's weaknesses will be a lot easier to notice and react on.
Originally posted by Jason8200
The following are Thor's statisitcs taken from a Marvel website:Intelligence: Above Normal (5/10)
Strength: Superhuman Class 100 (11/12)
Speed: Superhuman (6/10)
Flight Speed: Unrevealed, probably Escape Velocity (9/12)
Stamina: Godlike (9/10)
Durability: Metahuman (9/14)
Agility: Superhuman (6/7)
Reflexes: Superhuman (6/7)The battle between these two would be a crazy one but as far as fighting intelligence goes... Thor's way of fighting is "hit it with a hammer until it falls." he never tries to come up with plans to outsmart his enemies...
Wrong, wrong, wrong. A very poor arguement.
The site from which you gathered the information is (obviously) not Marvel.com. Thor has Level 7 (Incalculable) Strength. He has Level 7 (Warpspeed - Transcending Light,) Speed. The site you quoted is clearly not canon.
Thor is not stupid, and he is an excellent battle tactician. That is why he led the Avengers. He is certainly not limited to smashing things with his hammer; he often uses the elements of storm to aide him.
Thor always uses Mjolnir. Mjolnir is magic. If Thor thwacks Superman with the hammer, that is a magical attack. If he strikes Superman with a lightning bolt, that is a magical attack. Anything that comes from mjolnir is magic.
Thor is a warrior. He is an excellent fighter, and he far exceeds Superman in this category. If Thor goes into his Warrior Madness, (which exponentially heightens Thor's fighting speed, strength, and reflexes,) Superman would fall to Thor within mere seconds.
Anyone who believes Superman will beat Thor believes so simply because he/she wants to, with no other reason. There is no reason whatsoever why Thor should lose.
Thor has taken hits from people way stronger than Superman without being knocked out...... this said Superman is not getting the quick victory he would need to win, as stated Thor's hammer is a magical weapon charged with Odin's own power and Thor has been using it for thousands of years..... it is a part of him and he will use it.... he may not start out with lightning or godblasts but the longer the battle goes the larger the varieties of magical power he will use
Why does Thor always use Mjolnir to block bullets or energy attacks or missiles? The only way Thor would be able to hurt Superman is if he used magic but the only question is will Superman give him enough time to figure that out.
You are wrong though because yes... Thor is known to be an awesome hand to hand fighter and has trained for thousands of years becoming one of the best.... but Superman is a smarter fighter... Thor rushes into things... you cant deny that. He does have the mentallity of hit first and ask questions later. Why do you think he always got in trouble with Odin? Because he was so unpredictable and hot headed.
Superman is faster than Thor. Thats a given. How can he have faster reflexes while fighting in the air? There is no way Thor is anywhere near as manuverable as Superman while they are flying. Thor is a level 7 because he can teleport... not actually fly that fast.
Superman is worthy to hold Mjolnir.. the crossover showed that, (regardless if everyone agrees on whether the fighting was accurate, Marvel did allow Superman to pick it up.) If Thor threw the hammer at Superman he could grab it. Then after 60 seconds... Thor changes back to mortal form and he would go running for Iron Man and Captain America to protect him.
You know nothing about Thor. Thor always reasons first. Thor plans his attack before he "rushes into" anything. That is why he is such a great leader. You are assuming alot about Thor. Learn something about the character before you downplay him.
You ASSUME that Superman is faster than Thor. Thor's hammer can transcend lightspeed. He has kept speed with the Silver Surfer. His reflexes are godly. Mjolnir moves faster than thought. You think Superman could catch Mjolnir?
Hah, he didn't catch it this time.
I gave examples of Thor's strength and Superman's. The most Thor has ever lifted was an island... that is a lot... but Superman moved War World recently. It is impossible for Thor to think at lightspeed if he can not perform with those thoughts. Superman actually does.
From my point of view... you need to learn about the characters you are defending before you speak otherwise. If he was not always so brash in his actions and so impulsive then why has Odin banished him or punished him numerous times?
Thor barely held his own with the Hulk. Hulk is slower than Superman. And unless Hulk is extremely pissed off Superman will be as strong as him. Thor would not know what Superman's weaknesses are right away. Thor's strengths would be much easier to notice... its obvious most of his power comes from the hammer. Superman would see that.
How is warping the same as moving at the speed of light? Explain that to me. That is the reaosn that Thor is ranked a 7. Well that was an interesting picture you posted... to bad in the actual comic that picture came before he picked it up. It wouldnt kill Superman... and once he saw how powerful it was he would do what it takes to stay out of the way.
Every Marvel site says Thor is fast because he uses Mjolnir to teleport.
Thor gets outsmarted by Loki constantly.... Superman has outsmarted Mr. Mztylplik numerous times. A 5th dimensional imp with ridiculous controlls over magic or a semi-god? Hmmm. You don't provide any evidence. I never said Thor did not have good reflexes... what I said was there is no way Thor can be as manuverable in the air as Superman.
2500 tons for Supermans strength or 150 tons for Thor? Ok 300 if he is wearing his magical belt that amplifies his strength. But if all else fails... he can always call Daddy Odin.
When Thor was younger, he was very irresponsible, and hotheaded. Odin had to punish him then. He has since matured into a logically thinking god, who uses reason before he uses his fists. Odin is dead; he has (previous to his demise,) had no authority over Thor. Thor now wields all of Odin's power. Let's not get into what the power of Odin would do to Supes. Mjolnir is more than enough.
How is it at all obvious that Thor needs Mjolnir for power? (Which is currently not true.)
I was simply using the comic pic to refute yours. Crossovers are BS, period. If you think Superman beating Thor in a crossover is legit, you might as well say Venom can beat Superman.
Actually, the Marvel Encyclopedia defines speed as "[the] ability to move over land by running or flight." Teleportation is not listed. Saying that Thor is just as fast as Superman is being lenient. He is likely faster. Superman can certainly not think at lightspeed. He can't even move at lightspeed. Stop amping. Maneuverability? Mjolnir is mentally controlled in flight. Thor is just as maneuverable as Superman.
Mxyzptlk is an idiot. Don't compare him to Loki, the god of trickery.
Thor can lift a hell of alot more than 150 tons. He has supported cities in the past. You contradict yourself. Show me an island that only weighs 150 tons. The fact that Superman can move a planet does not prove that he can lift one.
What's harder to do, push a car, or lift it?
Point proven.
Originally posted by Jason8200
Thor's strengths would be much easier to notice... its obvious most of his power comes from the hammer. Superman would see that.
even if Superman thought the hammer was a weakness how would he go about using that info? he can't lift the hammer, when seperated from Thor it always returns....... what could Supes do about that pesky hammer? 😕
Heh, read here to get an idea of how powerful Superman is.
http://www.supermansupersite.com/faq.html
Lightspeed my ass.
250,000,000 tons my ass.
Really?
Superman #57
Superman gets accidentally sucked into the future. The year 2949 Metropolis is destroyed.
Superman believes that he is stuck in the future with no hope of returning. He has no pictures or anything of the past when he was married to Lois.
So you know what he does? He takes some pictures of his wedding day. You know how?
He grabs a camera, flies into space, trying to catch up to the image of him and Lois getting married. An image that left the earth at lightspeed one thousand years previously.
He does it.