Thor vs Superman

Started by Cosmic Cube453 pages

Yet another poor argument

Stop making the speed argument, it wont work. Thor has flown/reacted/moved at greater speeds than 93,000mps. He is a god, not a human. You are assuming Thor can't take a punch from Superman. The fact is, he will take several of them, and dish out far greater damage.

The website you provided contradicts itself. At one point, it says he can lift 100,000 tons. You don't know exactly what Superman can lift. The only people who do are his writers at DC, (I doubt they have established one.) Hence, you and the makers of these websites can only speculate.

Originally posted by Jason8200
I think we should change this fight because its not Thor vs Superman... its Mjolnir vs. Superman... pretty much Thor is Mjolnir's sidekick. Thor should move to DC and join the Titans.

Some of us like to call it a "weapon."

That's the stupidest statement you've made so far. Thor without his hammer is like GL without a ring. Even without Mjolnir, Thor would still outfight Superman. But with the Hammer, Thor has Superman's weakness. He will beat him to the ground and you know it.

"Don't hate."

(BTW, Superman weighs 225lbs.)

Originally posted by Jason8200
So you know... Superman did lift the hammer before

that was explained (not well..... but it was a crossover) and he couldn't lift it after the crisis was over..... he was only given the ability to lift it temporarily

That same website said this

"Superstrength: The exact magnitude of Superman's strength is unknown, it is generally accepted that he has at least Class 100, meaning he could lift at 100 tons under optimal conditions. However, most believe that his strength is greater than Class 100 and a few argue that he could potentially lift 100,000 tons."

potentially lift, doesnt mean he can, but then it says he can lift 250,000 that isnt a reliable source at all.

hulk can potentially lift
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 tons

no kidding lol superman still loses to thor!

Thor will ***** slap superman back to the daily planet. Thor is a god whose abilitys are supperior to superman. Superman does have speed but that has never realy aid him in battle only to dodge a energy projestion blasr and that about it. Thor lands some haymakers on superman with the hammer, superman will be visiting the icu and be on life surport.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Thor will ***** slap superman back to the daily planet. Thor is a god whose abilitys are supperior to superman. Superman does have speed but that has never realy aid him in battle only to dodge a energy projestion blasr and that about it. Thor lands some haymakers on superman with the hammer, superman will be visiting the icu and be on life surport.
Meanwhile back at the Ranch................................................

r u hoes all ****ind crazy thor already beat supes and he is a god a sexy god at that so superman can beat him unles he is near the sun or something when superman has the advantage

One more time... when the Marvel Universe was about to be ended at any time... you never see people saying, "This is a job for Thor." When Thor died recently... noone said, "What will we do without Thor?"
Thor sucks and is not half the hero Superman is or ever will be. Whats funny is Thor is the son of Odin and Gaea... Superman is a mortal... doesnt have to use weapons... doesnt cry to his daddy all the time... doesnt go through a different identity crisis every 4 issues...
Thor lost to Savage hulk... Superman beat Professor Hulk with one punch. Stop crying about Crossovers... because they are the only way we will ever see the people fight or a real match up of their powers. So the Superman vs Thor crossover happened... Superman won... sorry guys. maybe it will be a different story if Thor can find a way to beat up Billy Batson again because he is too scared to fight Captain Marvel.

thankyou very much Jason8200.You said it perfect.

WE RUN THESE STREET!!!

The Venom vs. Superman crossover happened. Venom won. You're right Jason. Crossovers are so accurate.

I really don't care much about your feelings towards Thor. Call him a loser, a b*tch, or whatever else you care to say. No matter how much Thor sucks, or cries to his daddy, he will beat the shit out of Superman.

Stop being a fanboy, and get over it. Superman loses.

I am not being a fanboy... I am the only one stating facts... I show proof in actual comic books... I list websites... all everyone is saying that is arguing for Thor is that he has Mjolnir... he has Odin power... Thor did not beat the Hulk... He has gotten beat by Iron Man... He uses his hammer to deflect bullets...

Ok I just looked at the comic where Superman fought Venom... Venom punched Superman once... and put the symbiote in his eyes, nose, mouth, and ears... Thats not getting beat... he tried to bite Spiderman and Supes put his arm in his jaw and Venom didnt break the skin. How is that a beat down compared to Superman taking Thor's real power source away from him. Now thats a beat down. Its so gay how people always try to talk crap about how crossovers can't be counted... they happened... you are not a comic book writer... so as far as you, me, or anyone else that read JLA vs Avengers... Superman beat Thor... THE END

Its funny jason the venom superman fight is not what u said i posted it here http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=330388&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=6

u wanna take crossovers seriously here it is a class 15 ton venom beat a 100,000 ton class superman haahhah its pathetic. and u can see venom clearly beat both him and spiderman at once. no if ands or buts

Well Venom was holding Superman by his neck which is very impressive. But if you wanna call that a win then thats cool. Superman left Thor motionless lying on the ground, now I call that a win.

he had Superman down unable to do anything against the tendrils in his mouth and stuff, he only got out of it cos Spidey kicked Venom out the way..... Venom beat Superman 1 on 1.......... don't you love crossovers? in_love

Originally posted by Jason8200
Man this is an awesome picture... At this moment in the picture I can see Thor crying for Odin. I wonder what it would be like to be 4,000 years old and still a daddies boy? "DAAAAAAADDDDYYYY, make him give me my hammer back!"

You know why Superman is holding Mjolnir in his hand?
Because Thor was blocked by from Amazo, a giant robot which I dont' remember the name and other 3 villains, and one of them was attacking Thor with mental blasts, so he throw the hammer at Supes cause he was the only one not busy into fighting the "soldiers" of Krona, letting him destroying the last defensive wall of Krona's Fortress.

Back in topic, I read the replies of users registered in March 2005, full of assumptions like Thor has magic, Thor wins, Thor is a god, Thor wins, it seems the conversation between two 4years old kids.

Facts are the sequent:
Superman
High Rank Class 100 Strenght:
granted from his solar absorbtion powers.

High Rank Invulnerability:
thanks to his Skin-Like Force Field and a far denser physical structure than those of humans.

Superhuman Speed and Reflexes:
His speed without flying still put him into the top list of the fastest guys in the comicdom, and his reflexes are so outstanding that it takes a sufficiently fast guy to hit him or surprise him, or at least, a really bad written story like the fight with Venom.

Flight:
His flight speed is higher than his running speed, he can achieve at least 5/10% of the lightspeed, he has cover outstanding distances in few minutes, and traveled through space with ease, he's also an expert aerial combatant and acrobat.

Energy Projection
Supes Heat Vision is a form or Pyrokinesis, and it can reach temeperatures even above 12'000 F°, also it hits the target with concussive force.HV travel at a speed equal to that of light or nearly that level

Thor

High Rank Class 100 Strenght:
granted from his Asgardian Physiology plus being the son of Odin, one of the greatest Skyfathers and Gea, the being that is the ebsence of the planet Earth, make him the most powerful Asgardian except for his father.

High Rank Invulnerability:
as sayed above, his physiology grants him a high level of invulnerability, immunity to all diseases, toxins, radiations, heat, cold, etc.

Superhuman Speed and Reflexes:
Thor's feats of Superspeed are rarely showed, so most of people thinks he's a brick guy, that will look to Supes like someone moving in slow motion.
But you just need to recover some issues where he fights against guys like Nefaria, Radioactive Man, Living Laser, Graviton, etc. to see that he's fast.He has dodged and blocked attacks that most of "normal" heroes can't.His running speed is faster than Caber, a Celtic god that can achieve sonic speeds.
Thor's speed is commonly unknown cause he's showed almost using only his hammer and his fists.

Flight
Through throwing Mjolnir and grabbing his thong, he can achieve amazing flight speed, he even surpass starships flying at lightspeeds.
He can also hover in mid air through spinning the hammer, but he's showed hovering even when he just grab Mjolnir in mid air.

Energy Projection
Mjolnir can fire bolts of magicl force of high destructive potential, plus it can be used to channel Thor's greatest ranged attack, the GodForce, that is powered by Thor's life force.
Mjolnir can also fire Magical lightning, or being used tu summon storms and control the weather elements.

Now, I see two opponents that are practically equal.
The fight during Avengers VS JLA, was very cool, but also bad written.Thor would never let Supes hitting him with HV while charging at him like a raging bull, he practically always uses Mjolnir to parry ranged attacks.If they didn't let Thor acting that dumb, the fight would last for almost other 2/3 pages, where they'll show only Thor and Supes fighting while the other heroes, surprised of a fight that was destroying the jungle around themselves, will watch at their strongest teammates fighting.Now that would be a fight.
Crossovers in the past have showed characters like Superboy being beaten by Spider-Man, Lobo being killed from Wolverine, and crap things like that.
When the writers put two great chars like Supes and Thor one against the other, would be better if they decide the winner not using the number of fanboys, but using some logic and fantasy.
Anyway I'm a great Thor fan, but considering who Supes is, it would take GodForce or anyway all of Thor's abilities to beat down him.Not only a couple of pages.

Originally posted by Jason8200
I am not being a fanboy... I am the only one stating facts... I show proof in actual comic books... I list websites... all everyone is saying that is arguing for Thor is that he has Mjolnir... he has Odin power... Thor did not beat the Hulk... He has gotten beat by Iron Man... He uses his hammer to deflect bullets...

Ok I just looked at the comic where Superman fought Venom... Venom punched Superman once... and put the symbiote in his eyes, nose, mouth, and ears... Thats not getting beat... he tried to bite Spiderman and Supes put his arm in his jaw and Venom didnt break the skin. How is that a beat down compared to Superman taking Thor's real power source away from him. Now thats a beat down. Its so gay how people always try to talk crap about how crossovers can't be counted... they happened... you are not a comic book writer... so as far as you, me, or anyone else that read JLA vs Avengers... Superman beat Thor... THE END

Hah, Venom beat the hell out of Superman in that Crossover. Spiderman saved him.

These crossovers are fan voted popularity contests. If you ask a bunch of five-year olds "Who do you want to win, Superman, or Thor?" who do you think they'll go for? Superman beating Thor is completely illogical. To think Superman would win, you would have to either be a five-year old, or a fanboy.

Bullets bounce off of Thor. He is more than a match for Superman. He only needs Mjonir to fly in this fight. He's just as strong, he's as fast, or faster, and he's a billion times the fighter Superman could ever dream of being. Regardless of the stupidity of your beloved crossovers, Superman gets his ass kicked severely.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

These crossovers are fan voted popularity contests. .

Your calling the Jla/Avengers crossover fan voted?

This is retarded... I am not acting like a Superman fanboy... I know there are people that can beat him. All the arguements I have made and the facts I have shown are valid arguements.
It all depends on how they are written... the story could go anyway. They are even but Superman is faster, stronger, and thinks under pressure better.
Thor is a better hand to hand fighter and does have control over some magic.
You are wrong Cosmic Cube the Avengers / JLA crossover was not judged by fans... either way Superman will always win. If this crossover is ever shown again Superman will win, whether fans vote on it or not.

This is Superman....smilie_zoom this is superman fighting Thor....character57 any questions?