I posted this example in the Thor thread.
I posted this example in the Thor thread.
Originally posted by savagerampage
Okay i have heard everything. Dan jurgens has said he is no match for thor, so how much more proof do u want. accept it, superman loses.
Not entirely true because at the same time he said as long as he has magic but he said Superman is like a million times more powerful then Thor would ever be.
Originally posted by Jason8200
In Action Comics #782, Superman moves Warworld all by himself.Ok again... I agree Thor could beat Superman with magic but he is not going to walk up and go oh you are not immune to magic? It will take him some time to figure out.
Superman will see that Thor has to throw Mjolnir and hold on to fly. (weakness)
Superman will see that Thor is trying to throw Mjolnir at him.
Superman will see all of that realatively early on in the fight and its not that hard to put 2 + 2 together... Thor gets most of his abilities and powers from Mjolnir. So Superman will do his best to stay out of its way.While Mjolnir is Thor's greatest strength... it can also be exploited to be a huge weakness. If Superman can get his hands on it or seperate Thor from it for a second... its over for Thor. Without Mjolnir he will have reduced speed, strength, and magic abilities.
The entire fight would determine on how fast they would realize eachothers weaknesses and how fast they are to act on them.
He does not need strength from the hammer only magical abilities and flying.
Originally posted by Adam Warlock
This blow knocked him out of a few panels. This hurt more than anything Hulk has done to him:Again if Thor can hurt a being like Galactus:
Kill a being who was practically on par with other Skyfathers:
And Kill Durok who single handedly handed Surfer and Thor their asses on different occasions without using his hammer)He summoned a godblast while holding Durok:
That is true according to my stuff that I read a hit from the hammer is on pars with Doomsdays strength and are you sure you can count it I mean it was the hammer that hit Galactus and knocked out Superman. Oh and uh nevermind that is all I gotta say.
Supes won't survive one of those.
Originally posted by Fanboy
Not entirely true because at the same time he said as long as he has magic but he said Superman is like a million times more powerful then Thor would ever be.
Dan also sarcastically chuckled when he typed that, something that doesn't translate too well in an internet chatroom.
Originally posted by K3VIL
11) INVULNERABILITY: The following are historical examples of incredibly devastating forces that has been used against Thor.
These are very fine points indeed. But my point is this:
Please answer these questions first.
Why does Marvel list Thor as a 5 out of 7 in durability in many sources?
(Remember Hulk is a 6 and sometimes a 7 but can't survive a near miss of a nuclear attack).
Why did Marvel say he can run up to 100 mph and fly at orbital speed?
Why does Marvel list him as a 4 out of 7 in fighting ability?
If one can use any historical references about Thor then it is only fair that one uses any on Superman as well (like him hurling planets, throw spaceships to other galaxies, destroy solar systems with a sneeze, destroy stars with a single breath, etc.). Do you agree?
My main point is from historical references Superman wins and from exact power ratings Superman wins.
Originally posted by h1a8
These are very fine points indeed. But my point is this:Please answer these questions first.
Why does Marvel list Thor as a 5 out of 7 in durability in many sources?
(Remember Hulk is a 6 and sometimes a 7 but can't survive a near miss of a nuclear attack).Why did Marvel say he can run up to 100 mph and fly at orbital speed?
Why does Marvel list him as a 4 out of 7 in fighting ability?
If one can use any historical references about Thor then it is only fair that one uses any on Superman as well (like him hurling planets, throw spaceships to other galaxies, destroy solar systems with a sneeze, destroy stars with a single breath, etc.). Do you agree?
My main point is from historical references Superman wins and from exact power ratings Superman wins.
Good Pre-Crisis examples. Now list examples of things that Post-Crisis Supes has done.
Originally posted by h1a8
These are very fine points indeed. But my point is this:Please answer these questions first.
Why does Marvel list Thor as a 5 out of 7 in durability in many sources?
(Remember Hulk is a 6 and sometimes a 7 but can't survive a near miss of a nuclear attack).Why did Marvel say he can run up to 100 mph and fly at orbital speed?
Why does Marvel list him as a 4 out of 7 in fighting ability?
If one can use any historical references about Thor then it is only fair that one uses any on Superman as well (like him hurling planets, throw spaceships to other galaxies, destroy solar systems with a sneeze, destroy stars with a single breath, etc.). Do you agree?
My main point is from historical references Superman wins and from exact power ratings Superman wins.
Marvel stated Thor /7 in durability, and hulk 7/7 in durability get the handbooks. Superman will be 6/7 in durability he is not indestructible at all, Thor is more durable than superman, can post-crisis superman survive from a planet that blows up? hell no.
Thor overall is more powerful than superman he is hybrid god Odin/Gaea blood run threw his veins, his powers and abilities dwarfs superman's. Thor stamina is greater than superman's Thor fought Zeus for months without stopping. Thor in time will overwhelm superman because Thor is to versatile
"Why does Marvel list Thor as a 5 out of 7 in durability in many sources?
(Remember Hulk is a 6 and sometimes a 7 but can't survive a near miss of a nuclear attack).
Why did Marvel say he can run up to 100 mph and fly at orbital speed?
Why does Marvel list him as a 4 out of 7 in fighting ability?
If one can use any historical references about Thor then it is only fair that one uses any on Superman as well (like him hurling planets, throw spaceships to other galaxies, destroy solar systems with a sneeze, destroy stars with a single breath, etc.). Do you agree?
My main point is from historical references Superman wins and from exact power ratings Superman wins."
Those stats are from handbooks not comics. Those feats are pre crisis. Marvel never had it so they are in continuity.
Just to show how wrong the handboooks are, Hulk can and has survived nuclear explosions. More than once in fact.
Thor has done something similiar.
Thor is not that low in fighting ability either.
And any handbook/guide that "says" Superman has more, is dead wrong also.
See how easy it is.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Marvel stated Thor /7 in durability, and hulk 7/7 in durability get the handbooks. Superman will be 6/7 in durability he is not indestructible at all, Thor is more durable than superman, can post-crisis superman survive from a planet that blows up? hell no.Thor overall is more powerful than superman he is hybrid god Odin/Gaea blood run threw his veins, his powers and abilities dwarfs superman's. Thor stamina is greater than superman's Thor fought Zeus for months without stopping. Thor in time will overwhelm superman because Thor is to versatile
I don't think Thor is more durable than Superman. When has he withstood a world destroying attack?
Originally posted by h1a8
These are very fine points indeed. But my point is this:Please answer these questions first.
Why does Marvel list Thor as a 5 out of 7 in durability in many sources?
(Remember Hulk is a 6 and sometimes a 7 but can't survive a near miss of a nuclear attack).Why did Marvel say he can run up to 100 mph and fly at orbital speed?
Why does Marvel list him as a 4 out of 7 in fighting ability?
If one can use any historical references about Thor then it is only fair that one uses any on Superman as well (like him hurling planets, throw spaceships to other galaxies, destroy solar systems with a sneeze, destroy stars with a single breath, etc.). Do you agree?
My main point is from historical references Superman wins and from exact power ratings Superman wins.
Hulk has survived many direct nuclear strikes. His durability is a 7 out of 7, not 6/7. He's stronger than Thor, or Superman. Read his comics.
I'd say Superman is faster and more durable than Thor. The two are relatively equal in strength. However, with Mjolnir, Thor is far more powerful than Superman. The hammer itself is around Skyfather level, with a limitless supply of magical energy.
Superman's speed and durability might get him a few wins, but if Thor lets loose with Mjolnir, I strongly believe that he will take the majority.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Superman can move faster than a Alien eye can follow. Sorry about the quality.He was invisible in this pic and the Alien didnt even know he was there.
You asked for superspeed, and you got it. 😉 Thor moves at the speed of lightnining (which is still a bit slower than Supes, but it's pretty damn fast.)
Superman is faster than Thor, but not significantly.
