Originally posted by xmarksthespot
See Mindship's post above.It stands to reason that the enchanted object that can be thrown at lightspeed can be swung at lightspeed. I don't really see how that implies Thor could do the macarena at lightspeed.
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Originally posted by snoopdogg
Slade didn't actually succeed in taking over the GL did he?
no, ga stuck an arrow in his eye before he got a chance to try...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
One really doesn't have to be a tactical genius to fly into the air out of reach and hold someone in an energy construct.
spot on... it was awful writing in parts...
Originally posted by Newjak
Did you ever think the reason they didn't speedblitz him is because they couldn'tNext the first paragraph was stating that Thor can fly at lightspeeds, many writeres have talked about his godlike reflexes him moving faster than the lighting he commands going around faster than the eye can see, on top of that he has fought a ton people who can move and react at faster than lightspeeds. So you add all that together and what you get someone who can't be that slow at all.
By the way lowest feat game: Superman has had trouble fighting a normal gorilla so where was his superspeed and superstrength there. Thor lowest showings always pawn that 😛
Finally Superman has a speed advantage but not as much as you think he isn't going to be invisible to Thor he isn't even going to be a total blur. He will just be moving pretty fast and not so fast Thor can't react to him.
God-like reflexes and exotic powers for the win
superman very rarely fights at superspeed (unless his enemy does, then he will), he isnt as ruthless as some heroes...
grodd gets the better of him because of superman's unwillingness to fly through him and turn him into mushy pile of dead gorilla...
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Despero handled the entire JLA. 😐Speed wouldn't matter there either. It's not PIS. It's you unable to accept Superman getting his ass handed to him. Despero would eat him alive.
are we talking about the just before ic fight? because he didnt exactly do it all at once...
Originally posted by Newjak
Don't make me bring up the Gorilla again or Brainiac, Kalibak, Slade, Lex Luther, Solomon Grundy, Aquaman 😛
superman very rarely fights at superspeed (unless his enemy does, then he will), he isnt as ruthless as some heroes...grodd gets the better of him because of superman's unwillingness to fly through him and turn him into mushy pile of dead gorilla...
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Originally posted by Evangel94
DC Comics would never ever let Superman lose. Let alone let him lose to a competing company's character.
do you actually read superman comics? 😐
wonder woman, shazam, the jla and despero, earth 2 superman, john stewart, batman stalemated him (though supes was under poison ivy's control)
Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's a typical statement. But it's not true. Venom took it to Superman....
you just HAD to bring that up, didnt you... 😛
i have nop doubt that thor's reactions equal or (maybe even in parts) surpass superman's, but the gap can't be that big considering both men's abilities...
with the hammer, and on a good day, i say thor wins...
otherwise i gotta say supes...
'pologies for the length of the post, just trying to catch up... 😉
Originally posted by pr1983Are you saying Superman and Thor are close in reaction times
😆no, ga stuck an arrow in his eye before he got a chance to try...
spot on... it was awful writing in parts...
superman very rarely fights at superspeed (unless his enemy does, then he will), he isnt as ruthless as some heroes...
grodd gets the better of him because of superman's unwillingness to fly through him and turn him into mushy pile of dead gorilla...
are we talking about the just before ic fight? because he didnt exactly do it all at once...
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do you actually read superman comics? 😐
wonder woman, shazam, the jla and despero, earth 2 superman, john stewart, batman stalemated him (though supes was under poison ivy's control)
you just HAD to bring that up, didnt you... 😛
i have nop doubt that thor's reactions equal or (maybe even in parts) surpass superman's, but the gap can't be that big considering both men's abilities...
with the hammer, and on a good day, i say thor wins...
otherwise i gotta say supes...
'pologies for the length of the post, just trying to catch up... 😉
Originally posted by Newjak
You can't speed blitz someone who can react to you. that is why Glads didn't he couldn't but he did have an advanage in speed which was shown meaning he was using his speed 😉Doesn't T-VO require the person's will to be greater then the other's and since Thor has great willpower to say Superman's mighty attack works isn't completely true. Besides Thor has already mind wiped Superman into thinking he is Thor's sidekick
Thor has never shown any kind of reaction speeds that could make you think that. He doesn't have any that put him over the speed of light, and he doesn't have any reaction speeds that would make him immune to a speedblitz from Superman. Fact of the matter is that not only does he not have the reflexes to counter a speedblitz, but his reflexes are also a lot slower than Superman's. 😬
T-Vo has nothing to do with will power. It was effective on Dominus who was an abstract level character. 🙂
It's also worked on Eradicator, who is = to Norrin. It's also worked on Blaze, who's a magical skyfather level character. It's ALSO worked on this other guy (can't think of his name right now) who was like a Captain Marvel esque character.
Nobody has yet to resist its effects.
And the day Thor's telepathic sweep is greather than Despero's is the day I'M Superman. supes
Originally posted by Newjak
Are you saying Superman and Thor are close in reaction times
yes, i am... i actually dont see their reaction times being that much of a factor in the fight...
the factor's, imo, would be just how much stamina each guy has before the other one puts him down...
let me ask, if you (or anyone, this is an open-ended question) were writing marvel v dc, and they told you to do superman v thor, how would you write it? would it be a walkover? would it be an epic, incredibly close fight?
Originally posted by pr1983
let me ask, if you (or anyone, this is an open-ended question) were writing marvel v dc, and they told you to do superman v thor, how would you write it? would it be a walkover? would it be an epic, incredibly close fight?
Originally posted by bigbran
Thor turns back time, and beats up a baby Superman...
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Originally posted by pr1983Me I would make it an epic closely fought H2H hand match but in reality if they close enough in reaction Times Thor could get a few cheap wins.
yes, i am... i actually dont see their reaction times being that much of a factor in the fight...the factor's, imo, would be just how much stamina each guy has before the other one puts him down...
let me ask, if you (or anyone, this is an open-ended question) were writing marvel v dc, and they told you to do superman v thor, how would you write it? would it be a walkover? would it be an epic, incredibly close fight?
He could BFR Superman into another deminsion, Suck his soul, Drain his energy, erase his mind with a mgical attack.
Originally posted by batdude123So taking on a known lightspeeder in Glads when in the comic it mentions him using his speed isn't enough for you to think Thor can react to Superspeed. I think that shows perfectly he can react to Superman. By way once again if someone can react to you you can't speedblitz them.
Thor has never shown any kind of reaction speeds that could make you think that. He doesn't have any that put him over the speed of light, and he doesn't have any reaction speeds that would make him immune to a speedblitz from Superman. Fact of the matter is that not only does he not have the reflexes to counter a speedblitz, but his reflexes are also a lot slower than Superman's. 😬T-Vo has nothing to do with will power. It was effective on Dominus who was an abstract level character. 🙂
It's also worked on Eradicator, who is = to Norrin. It's also worked on Blaze, who's a magical skyfather level character. It's ALSO worked on this other guy (can't think of his name right now) who was like a Captain Marvel esque character.
Nobody has yet to resist its effects.
And the day Thor's telepathic sweep is greather than Despero's is the day I'M Superman. supes
Well Thor's Mind rape would be Magical which Superman isn't exactly immune to.
Originally posted by bigbran
Thor turns back time, and beats up a baby Superman...
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you know of course that the time enchantment is no longer on the hammer, right . . .? 😉
i must have 50 posts in this thread somewhere. i think 25 defend thor and the other 25 defend superman. depends on who was arguing for who! 😂
i DO see it as being remarkably close.
Originally posted by bigbran
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Originally posted by Newjak
Me I would make it an epic closely fought H2H hand match but in reality if they close enough in reaction Times Thor could get a few cheap wins.He could BFR Superman into another deminsion, Suck his soul, Drain his energy, erase his mind with a mgical attack.
he can do all this while getting pummelled by superman's fists, heat vision and cold/wind breath?
btw, i know it seems a bit late to ask, but these guys are going all out right? character traits are pretty much out the window?
Originally posted by pr1983Well he could put a shield up and since Thor has stood in the middle of the sun I doubta little HV and cold Breath is going to effect him that much.
😆he can do all this while getting pummelled by superman's fists, heat vision and cold/wind breath?
btw, i know it seems a bit late to ask, but these guys are going all out right? character traits are pretty much out the window?
But yeah H2H it is close although with Thor's more exotic powers I give him the edge a little bit.
Originally posted by leonidasI agree it is close and for some reason that defently sounds like you Leo
you know of course that the time enchantment is no longer on the hammer, right . . .? 😉i must have 50 posts in this thread somewhere. i think 25 defend thor and the other 25 defend superman. depends on who was arguing for who! 😂
i DO see it as being remarkably close.
It seems like Batdude is trying to avoid reading the answers about Thor.
Being speedblitzed from a guy like Gladiator makes Thor slow, or someone who has problem with superspeed gifted beings?Glad doesn't travel at 60 mph just to make you remember.
Thor has battled heralds.You try to make points describing the fights as blasting and punching.Thor has fought in various instances while mid flying or having his enemies fighting him while moving at fast speed, and he's still out there.Warlock and the IW were a bit scared of having to deal with Warrior Madness Thor, and Warlock stated Thor like the lightnings he command, is HELLA FAST.Warlock has quite a knowledge of power rankings in the universe so, you are just trying to come up with those occasions in which Superman is pumped up or his enemies are used as punching bags.See Darkseid owned like a sissy, see, Superman hurting an abstract level being, this is due to plot inconsistency, writers tend in recent years to make him from hella powerful and with still rivals in the universe to near Pre-Crisis ridicolus powerful.Thor has got instances in which he was hurted from things he can shrugg off without noticing them, but not much to say he his not able of throwing down with Kal El.Fightings with heralds should be a concrete proof of what he can do and can take, but you looks a bit a fanboy don't counting the fights.Hammerless and so less powerful he destroyed Durok, a magical being who was able to K.O. Silver Surfer, holding him in a sort of bear hug and calling upon a magical lightning bolt who caused ground zero destruction on the battlefield.A being who can K.O. SS.
And you still believe his magic wouldn't be enough.
It's a close fight, we aren't saying Thor wins while drinking a coffee.
Get over it, or instead, keep up, maybe you could come up with something like:
Batman will make a plan for Superman cause with prep time...
Ahahaah
Originally posted by Newjak
Well he could put a shield up and since Thor has stood in the middle of the sun I doubta little HV and cold Breath is going to effect him that much.
a little? yr kidding right? 😐
ya know its comments like that, that piss people off... 😛
But yeah H2H it is close although with Thor's more exotic powers I give him the edge a little bit.
understandable...
Originally posted by leonidasDamn!
since . . . quite a while ago. thor 'sacrificed' the time abilities of the hammer to save a world in an immortus/limbo arc years ago. maybe around the early-mid 200s somewhere . . .?
