Originally posted by xmarksthespotThe point is that he fought the entire JLA and managed to hold his own obvsiouly he has to have some great reaction time but without it saying anything does that mean it isn't so?
Frankly that's not all too uncommon in comic storylines really... not by the character's choice though I should add...
Originally posted by batdude123Did you ever think the reason they didn't speedblitz him is because they couldn't
I don't even know what you're talking about in your first paragraph. I stated they didn't use a speed blitz in the fights with Thor quite simply because they DIDN'T. Marvel isn't know for its speed blitzing characters. That's more of a DC thing.Hey, if you want me to use Thor at his lowest durability showing, then I'll just say he can't take a bullet to the head. In that case, one punch from Superman would make Thor blow up. 🙄
Don't you get it though? Him flying at super speeds is directly related to Mjolnir. He has to use it as a catapult to get himself to those speeds. His "3x faster than light" feat isn't his natural speed. His reflexes are fast, but they're still unarguably slower than Superman's. Superman's combat speed is much more effective than Thor's anyday of the week as well. So, Thor's exotic powers would be inevitably trumped by Superman's speed. He'd be knocked silly before he got the chance to.
Nothing is flawed about it, jak. Thor would have a problem with Superman's superior combat speeds. So speedblitz ftw...
Next the first paragraph was stating that Thor can fly at lightspeeds, many writeres have talked about his godlike reflexes him moving faster than the lighting he commands going around faster than the eye can see, on top of that he has fought a ton people who can move and react at faster than lightspeeds. So you add all that together and what you get someone who can't be that slow at all.
By the way lowest feat game: Superman has had trouble fighting a normal gorilla so where was his superspeed and superstrength there. Thor lowest showings always pawn that 😛
Finally Superman has a speed advantage but not as much as you think he isn't going to be invisible to Thor he isn't even going to be a total blur. He will just be moving pretty fast and not so fast Thor can't react to him.
God-like reflexes and exotic powers for the win
Originally posted by masterbruce
It's called PIS.So when spiderman gets hit by street goons, does that mean the street goons have Spiderman speed and agility?
Despero handled the entire JLA. 😐
Speed wouldn't matter there either. It's not PIS. It's you unable to accept Superman getting his ass handed to him. Despero would eat him alive.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Despero handled the entire JLA. 😐Speed wouldn't matter there either. It's not PIS. It's you unable to accept Superman getting his ass handed to him. Despero would eat him alive.
you do realize that characters rarely use their powers to the max in comics right?
I mean, think how many times if Thor had just used a godblast, the Avengers could've gone to vacation but instead they fought like idiots.
Originally posted by Newjak
Did you ever think the reason they didn't speedblitz him is because they couldn'tNext the first paragraph was stating that Thor can fly at lightspeeds, many writeres have talked about his godlike reflexes him moving faster than the lighting he commands going around faster than the eye can see, on top of that he has fought a ton people who can move and react at faster than lightspeeds. So you add all that together and what you get someone who can't be that slow at all.
By the way lowest feat game: Superman has had trouble fighting a normal gorilla so where was his superspeed and superstrength there. Thor lowest showings always pawn that 😛
Finally Superman has a speed advantage but not as much as you think he isn't going to be invisible to Thor he isn't even going to be a total blur. He will just be moving pretty fast and not so fast Thor can't react to him.
God-like reflexes and exotic powers for the win
They never have. They didn't use their speeds against him. It wasn't a matter of whether they could, or they couldn't. They just.... didn't.
On average, w/o influence from Mjolnir, his natural speed is probably around the speed of sound. 😬 Being invisible to the human eye, isn't a feat anywhere near the speed of light.
I go by average showings, thanks.
Superman's combat speed is enough to net him the majority of the wins. That's all I've ever said. And apparently Kryptonian reflexes>>>Asgardian reflexes.
Originally posted by batdude123Glads has speed blitzed before against Hulk
They never have. They didn't use their speeds against him. It wasn't a matter of whether they could, or they couldn't. They just.... didn't.On average, w/o influence from Mjolnir, his natural speed is probably around the speed of sound. 😬 Being invisible to the human eye, isn't a feat anywhere near the speed of light.
I go by average showings, thanks.
Superman's combat speed is enough to net him the majority of the wins. That's all I've ever said. And apparently Kryptonian reflexes>>>Asgardian reflexes.
And why does someone always have to say that they are going x amount of lightspeed in a fight to assume they are using their speed espeically aginst someone who has shown lightopseed flight and attack abilities. Think about for Glads to avoid a hammer blow he would have to have been dodging at lightspeed
See the problem is he does have Mjolnir so he can move with it and lfy with it plus hinestly if he can see while flying at those speeds then obviously he has to have some kind superspeed reaction that allows him to at least see faster than light objects moving by him. Otherwise he would always overshoot things going that fast. Saying that he can move at lightspeed but yet can't see things at lightspeed is in fact stupid.
Thor can react to Superman and see Superman meaning Thor gets the majority
Originally posted by Newjak
Glads has speed blitzed before against HulkAnd why does someone always have to say that they are going x amount of lightspeed in a fight to assume they are using their speed espeically aginst someone who has shown lightopseed flight and attack abilities. Think about for Glads to avoid a hammer blow he would have to have been dodging at lightspeed
See the problem is he does have Mjolnir so he can move with it and lfy with it plus hinestly if he can see while flying at those speeds then obviously he has to have some kind superspeed reaction that allows him to at least see faster than light objects moving by him. Otherwise he would always overshoot things going that fast. Saying that he can move at lightspeed but yet can't see things at lightspeed is in fact stupid.
Thor can react to Superman and see Superman meaning Thor gets the majority
So I guess both Juggernaut and Hulk are Lightspeed fighters too since they can see Thor and fight him?
Originally posted by Newjak
Glads has speed blitzed before against HulkAnd why does someone always have to say that they are going x amount of lightspeed in a fight to assume they are using their speed espeically aginst someone who has shown lightopseed flight and attack abilities. Think about for Glads to avoid a hammer blow he would have to have been dodging at lightspeed
See the problem is he does have Mjolnir so he can move with it and lfy with it plus hinestly if he can see while flying at those speeds then obviously he has to have some kind superspeed reaction that allows him to at least see faster than light objects moving by him. Otherwise he would always overshoot things going that fast. Saying that he can move at lightspeed but yet can't see things at lightspeed is in fact stupid.
Thor can react to Superman and see Superman meaning Thor gets the majority
That's grand.... but he's never done so against Thor.
Glads/Thor fights consist of using brawler type tactics. No super speed being used. That's why Superman can be hit.... because he usually just trades blows with somebody. In an all out fight, he'd be using his speed in this fight.
Thor was flying out into outer space when threw Mjolnir to achieve said speeds. No destination was claimed.
Thor has NEVER shown ftl reflexes.... ever.
And yet his speed and reflexes are very much inferior to Superman's when it comes to combat speeds. Superman takes the majority. 🙂
Originally posted by batdude123You do realize alot of Superman's combat feats don't actually say he is fighting at lightspeed right most of them just show him moving faster than his oppenet right I hope so?
That's grand.... but he's never done so against Thor.Glads/Thor fights consist of using brawler type tactics. No super speed being used. That's why Superman can be hit.... because he usually just trades blows with somebody. In an all out fight, he'd be using his speed in this fight.
Thor was flying out into outer space when threw Mjolnir to achieve said speeds. No destination was claimed.
Thor has NEVER shown ftl reflexes.... ever.
And yet his speed and reflexes are very much inferior to Superman's when it comes to combat speeds. Superman takes the majority. 🙂
He has also gone warp speeds when flying with Mjolnir.
And still all you keep telling me is that Glads(A known and documented lightspeeder) didn't speed blitz him even though the comic makes mention of Glads being faster if I recall and the fact Glads dodges swings that have been shown to be FTL meaning he would have to have been evading at those speeds.
Thor who has been stated as being faster than the lighting he commands which is faster than what yuor giving him credit for since faster than lighting would mean he is going at least a little more than half the speed of light if you want to play that game. So we have someone who can move at least over half the speed of light swing at the speed of light fly and react to things coming at him the speed of light and fights people that can 100s of times the speed of light and some who can do complex scans in picoseconds.
Oh by the way Superman hits Thor Thor puts up a shield and just drains all the sunlight energy from Superman turning him human and then crushing his skull. 😉
Originally posted by Newjak
Don't make me bring up the Gorilla again or Brainiac, Kalibak, Slade, Lex Luther, Solomon Grundy, Aquaman 😛
If Kalibak, Grundy or anyone who's not superspeed defeats Superman, than it is PIS in that superman's obviously not fighting to his full potential.
It is also PIS for Surfer or Gladiator to not use superspeed against Thor.
The main reason is to keep battles interesting instead of it being too onesided.
Now, you may ask, why wouldnt they use superspeed if they have that advantage.
The same reason why Thor doesn't just fly in the air and godblast his groundstricken opponents instead of getting into a stupid brawl.
It's done for the sake of keeping battles interesting.
Originally posted by masterbruceWhy would it be considered PIS for them not to be able to speedbltiz someone who can move faster than lighting has godlike reactions has taken on some of the most powerful beings in the cosmos again?
If Kalibak, Grundy or anyone who's not superspeed defeats Superman, than it is PIS in that superman's obviously not fighting to his full potential.It is also PIS for Surfer or Gladiator to not use superspeed against Thor.
The main reason is to keep battles interesting instead of it being too onesided.
Now, you may ask, why wouldnt they use superspeed if they have that advantage.
The same reason why Thor doesn't just fly in the air and godblast his groundstricken opponents instead of getting into a stupid brawl.
It's done for the sake of keeping battles interesting.
Oh wait it wouldn't and I'm sure in the fight against Glads Glads was shown as having the speed advantage but nothing the God of Thunder could handle.
PIS is Hal htrowing a punch against Slade or Firelord not destroying the city Spider-Man was living in.
How is that for disagreeing
Originally posted by Newjak
You do realize alot of Superman's combat feats don't actually say he is fighting at lightspeed right most of them just show him moving faster than his oppenet right I hope so?He has also gone warp speeds when flying with Mjolnir.
And still all you keep telling me is that Glads(A known and documented lightspeeder) didn't speed blitz him even though the comic makes mention of Glads being faster if I recall and the fact Glads dodges swings that have been shown to be FTL meaning he would have to have been evading at those speeds.
Thor who has been stated as being faster than the lighting he commands which is faster than what yuor giving him credit for since faster than lighting would mean he is going at least a little more than half the speed of light if you want to play that game. So we have someone who can move at least over half the speed of light swing at the speed of light fly and react to things coming at him the speed of light and fights people that can 100s of times the speed of light and some who can do complex scans in picoseconds.
Oh by the way Superman hits Thor Thor puts up a shield and just drains all the sunlight energy from Superman turning him human and then crushing his skull. 😉
More than I can say for Thor who doesn't have ONE speedblitz feat in his career.
Exactly.... with MJOLNIR. He has to use the hammer as a catapult to get him to those uber speeds. His travelling speeds have absolutely no bearing on this fight, considering it's about actual combat speed.
People don't speed blitz in every fight. Thor/Gladiator fights have been brawls. Gladiator didn't speed blitz Thor in any encounter. Silver Surfer has never speed blitzed Thor in any encounter. In fact, SS has never speedblitzed any meta human opponent he's ever come up against. I don't know what's so hard to understand that they weren't using speed against him. You're simply saying that because they CAN do this or they CAN do that with their speed that they DID do that to Thor in a fight with him (which was never shown). That is a whole other level of flawed logic that I really don't want to explore. ❌
Thor being stated faster than the lightning he commands is a hyperbolic statement. Superman's also said that his reflexes make lightning seem like it's moving in slow motion to him. If you want any real bearing on Thor's combat speed feats, then read some books of his. On average, he's nowhere near as fast as Superman is in a fight. On average, he's around the speed of sound with reflexes about Quicksilver level.
Thor then finds that the energy that is siphoned away is just as quickly restored. Then, all of a sudden the fighting ground around them starts to change. What is that you're asking yourself? TORQUASM-VO!!!! Yeah that's right, I said it. Superman procedes to pound Thor on his mental play ground where he is essentially God. He can use it to do pretty much w/e he wants. That includes access to Thor's own power set, and the ability to take any amount of punishment with no damage.
Speed blitz to T-Vo thrashing ftw!!! Kthx bye...