Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thor's flying alright here, and it also displays him reacting to a speeding Surfer.
Seems to me Thor does what he usually does: stand his ground and prep Mjolner for attack/counterattack.
Also...c'mon...they both missed? The first time you read this, didn't you go ... 😑? IMO, there was PIS afoot, and I say that as someone who feels Thor's victory in this fight was legit.
Originally posted by Mindship
Seems to me Thor does what he usually does: stand his ground and prep Mjolner for attack/counterattack.Also...c'mon...they both missed? The first time you read this, didn't you go ... 😑? IMO, there was PIS afoot, and I say that as someone who feels Thor's victory in this fight was legit.
The same option he would have against Superman.
I respect your opinion, but why do you believe it was PIS? Surfer dodged Mjolnir hence that threw him off when he went to attack Thor?
Originally posted by masterbruce
Mindship, you think Thor could actually land a hit on Surfer if Surfer went his top speed?
Thor would never even know what hit him.
I don't want to go off topic, but overall I thought it fair Thor should win this round (my beef has always been with their first fight).
Regardless, isn't the Surfer Factor If A>B and B>C, the A>C logic? I've been told at times this isn't always valid.
Soujaboy
"The same option he would have against Superman."
Absolutely.
"I respect your opinion, but why do you believe it was PIS? Surfer dodged Mjolnir hence that threw him off when he went to attack Thor?"
I just can't believe they both missed. I've never seen that before or since.
Originally posted by Mindship
I don't want to go off topic, but overall I thought it fair Thor should win this round (my beef has always been with their first fight).Regardless, isn't the Surfer Factor If A>B and B>C, the A>C logic? I've been told at times this isn't always valid.
[B]Soujaboy
"The same option he would have against Superman."
Absolutely."I respect your opinion, but why do you believe it was PIS? Surfer dodged Mjolnir hence that threw him off when he went to attack Thor?"
I just can't believe they both missed. I've never seen that before or since. [/B]
Ok, thats respectable. 😉
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Surfer has actually shown the ability to think and react at light speeds, while Superman has not.Yes Superman does have loads of impressive speed feats, but his combat feats have never reached ftl.
I think it's the other way around. Surfer has never shown any fighting/reflexive speed feats, Supes have. Surfer is only fast in flight speed (with the use of his board), he's not able to move at high speeds like Supes with his whole body being able to move an superspeeds. thor can't even catch Spiderman or cap, that's a clue right there that they don't have superspeed.
Originally posted by dvampire
I think it's the other way around. Surfer has never shown any fighting/reflexive speed feats, Supes have. Surfer is only fast in flight speed (with the use of his board), he's not able to move at high speeds like Supes with his whole body being able to move an superspeeds. thor can't even catch Spiderman or cap, that's a clue right there that they don't have superspeed.
Originally posted by complexbrother
He can think and act in a nano secondIn less than a nano-second he analyses the situation and gain self confidence to escape.
Just to measure a nanosecond. A blink, an automatic one, that everybody blinks few times every minutes and we can't realize that we blink because it's so fast. It lasts fifty million nano-seconds.
In a nanosecond, the light covers only 30 centimeters.
Originally posted by NewjakIsn't that somewhat contradictory, that they are exotic powers, rarely used, rarely shown, but are presented as if they're everyday occurrences is in a way blowing something out of proportion.
His magical weakness is blown out of proportion but Thor's exotic powers aren't
Also with regard to the above scan (not directly above the Surfer/Thor one) the concept of "relative velocity" is applicable...
Well just finished my Superman vs Thor story
Tell me what you think
Thor is as strong or nearly as stong as Superman(that can be debated.) That in itself lends Superman a very hard fight. Thor has a billion powers with that hammer. Makes it harder to win still. Thor is far a better fighter than Superman. Thor is a being of magic. Superman is weak to magic. Thor 7/10. Speed is the key to superman's 3 victories.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thor is as strong or nearly as stong as Superman(that can be debated.) That in itself lends Superman a very hard fight. Thor has a billion powers with that hammer. Makes it harder to win still. Thor is far a better fighter than Superman. Thor is a being of magic. Superman is weak to magic. Thor 7/10. Speed is the key to superman's 3 victories.
Great Post 😱 👆
Originally posted by snoopdoggYou obviously have never been hit in the face with a hammer. Either way, both do a crapload of damage. As regards to you still attempting to prove that the magic weakness was not ignored you point to the possibility that, it did effect him, but he just healed up dandy like he always does. Except, no significantly initial damage was done to him when he was first struck. Little bit of blood. That happens when Martian Manhunter hits him in the face. Therefore, you cannot say that the weakness to magic is accounted for. The crucial missing element is the presence of the initial damage. We both agree he could heal from it, but what is peculiarly missing inthe JLA/Avengers depiction is that the magic weakness affected any kind of enhanced damage at all.
I would rather get hit in the face with a hammer than have my throat slashed there is a dfference. And BTW Supes throat was healed up quickly afterwords. The same goes go the Mjolnir shot he took. Sure it hurt him as did the lightning but Supes does have a healing factor. Superman took a blast from Etrigan and kept on fighting, took blasts from Shazams magical lightning and kept on fighting. Sure Superman does have a weakness to magic and it was shown in his fight with Thor. Superman was messed up as you can see. If Thor had a regular hammer and lightning attacks he would not have even noticed those assaults but being they were magical it was obvious in the fight they did.
Originally posted by snoopdoggI never stated that a Mjolnir shot would one-shot him. I explicitly stated it probably wouldn't. A lot of what people are saying is right, EVEN WITH a weakness to magic, his pure willpower allows him to be able to keep fighting. I don't think anybody has argued that Mjolnir blow would one-shot ole Supes. Just think of how Iron Man clearly has the strength to knock out Caps, but Cap still stands. I credit Superman with having superhuman will as well, maybe not on Cap's level but clearly extraordinary will.
Superman has taken heavy hits backed by magic before without a crushed skull.1. Etrigan knocked him into orbit.
2. Advesary knocked him halfway across the globe.
Here Superman inhales magical gases:
Do you know of any cases where a single heavy hit backed by magic knocked Superman out? No cheap shots.
Also, if Superman knew that Mjolnir was magical itself, he wouldn't be so stupid as to soak up the blow completely. He would do his best to roll with the blow to avoid full impact. But if he didn't know it was magic backed, his face'd be f'ed up because he'd be thinking, "Oh look at me. I'm invulnerable because I have a bio-field aura and this hit won't do a darn thing, so I won't bother rolling with the blow. Oh... here it comes, stupid looking hamme-ZONK!" You seem to admit, if Thor cheapshotted Superman in the back of the skull, Superman would get knocked the f out. So we agree to that point.
Moving onto magic-backed hits... I never said Thor's fists would do the same. Yes, Thor's a god and he's got magic in him and he can expel magical energies, but he is not a being made of magic. His flesh and sinew are not made of magic. I would argue the same thing about Wonderwoman. Yeah, her garments are magic, but her flesh isn't magic. I would argue the same about Etrigan. He's not pure magic. He's a demon who wields magic. I don't know enough about the other guy in your scan to make a similar assumption. But that is how I reconcile what happens when Superman fights magic users. As such, a magic wielder or magician like Dr. Strange can't just walk over to Superman and kick him in the nuts and make Superman crumple over (as much as we all love Dr. Strange). Spectre on the other hand... I can see him being entirely made of magic and yes, even without being Presence- backed I can see him walking over to Superman and blueballing poor Supes.
Originally posted by snoopdoggPlease note in IC #1 that Superman's hands are bleeding. Yes, a normal person can catch a sword in their bare hands with a double clasp because they avoid the edges of the blade. Apparently, Superman couldn't even achieve this fully, he still got cut. But it is inappropriate to directly compare this with stopping Mjolnir in his bare hand. For one, his bare hand doesn't avoid Mjolnir's bulk or weight. He doesn't catch Mjolnir's handle. He stops the bulk of Mjolnir itself. Just imagine you have a 25 lbs dumbbell. Imagine, one end of the dumbbell has fallen off. You now have an approximately 13 lbs Mjolnir lookalike. Now go ahead and swing that down on your hand fiercely and stop its momentum completely. Your hand by the way cannot budge from its position. That would simulate what would really happen in JLA/Avengers. If you were somehow able to accomplish such a feat, your hand's bones will be shattered. That is why, that part of JLA/Avengers pissed me off also. But apparently, nearly everybody accepts that JLA/Avengers was garbage and PIS. So I'll drop it.
Superman also caught Wonder Womans sword mid-swing with his palms in Infinite Crisis #1 I do believe. Is that magical? Or was that PIS again?
Originally posted by grey foxI have thought about this as well. I am convinced that if I myself, took a magic hammer and swung it in Superman's face, he'd be hurt. So why not a being with superhuman strength literally decapitating Superman since physical strength ought not to be ignored? Many would argue that this inconsistency clearly indicates that Superman's bio-aura isn't completely eroded by magical objects. Unfortunately, you'd be wrong. It is that aspect of Superman's powers that appears facially inconsistent. You have to understand, this happens with Kryptonite as well. Batman punches him with Kryptonite ring and Superman gets bruised up. Now what were to happen if Batman were superstrong? Wouldn't Superman's face be caved in? Unfortunately, we've seen this isn't so. Take someone like Superboy Prime smashing a kryptonite rock over Supes' face in IC #7, and all he gets is a bloody face. WTH.
...and guess what. Thors strength is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY above a Normal humans. Ergo Big Blue should now be a steaming blood mess upon the floor. Looks like Dc's secretaries are better with their mouths then marvels.
I have my theories on this, but I need to see more of Superman and his tussles with magic to make a detailed explanation. Suffice it to say, that just like Kryptonite, if a normal human hit him in the face with a magic ring, he'd get bruised up. And if a superstrong human hit him in the face with a magic ring, he'd still only get bruised up. Inconsistent? Yes. But does it clearly happen? Yes. Still, I'm sure it is somehow reconcilable, we just need more analysis. Therefore, with this long post, I've given my position on how Superman's weakness to magic works. It is not an off-switch, no. But the potential for great damage is there. And just as Lex Luthor stated magic alone would not beat Superman, I'm willing to bet Lex Luthor would agree that magic + super-strength + godlike energies + immortal experience + significant warrior prowess would be quite challenging. And that still isn't Thor in a nutshell.
For all those people who deny that Thor could overpower Superman, or deal with his superspeed, then read this respect thread and take a gander at the scans: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/369118_8-respek-the-mighty-thor There are only fourteen pages. But having read it just now, I am in awe of what he has done under his own power. Particularly page 8 at the bottom. Just read the fight he has with both Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock before he gets the Power Gem. This fight left my jaw dropped for three reasons: 1) Silver Surfer took off the gloves and was going all-out with his Power Cosmic if you read the prior 1v1 fight; 2) Thor withstands Adam Warlock's Soul Gem karmic blast; 3) finally we see evidence (Adam Warlock's own observations) not only of Thor's super-speed but his being able to fight at super-speed with super-beings (other than weak examples like being able to see and block bullets in mid-air). I was going to give Thor the very slight majority here... but after seeing what he does to Silver Surfer AND Adam Warlock. I dunno, I'll need to step back for a while to get rid of the pure awesome of that fight to give an unbiased view. Like the thread states: Respeck the Mighty Thor!
Originally posted by Newjakbump tell me what you think guys
Well just finished my Superman vs Thor storyTell me what you think
Originally posted by bigbran
Last time used, it knocked back Juggernaut a couple yards...
