Originally posted by Soljer
1. I never said that the Surfer was moving at Spiderman level speed. I asked YOU how fast he was going, and gave some examples of other characters moving as blurs.The implication, as would have been inferred by anyone with more then three brain cells, was that the feat was entirely [b]ambiguous
.How fast was the Surfer moving? Fast. How fast? Fast.
Get it?
2. Superman has caught Firestorm's blasts, blocked his and Preus' heat vision, and fought Wonder Woman to the sun in back in less than two minutes. He can fight at C.
3. It doesn't MATTER if Superman can fight at C or not, because Thor wouldn't even be able to handle combat speed in the mach-tiers.
4. Really? You really think you could match any combat speed feat performed by Superman with Spidey? [/B]
I understand what you are saying but that line of thought works both ways.
How fast was Firestorm's blasts going, How fast was Preus' HV going.
And it doesn't matter how fast they traveled to the sun and back. If your throw two punches during that time then you traveling at C not fighting at C
get it.
The fact is that there will always be a certain degree of ambiguity in speed feats unless the narrator specifically states the quantitative of the feat.Like Silver Surfer being able to scan entire planets in Picoseconds.
Most of Superman's combat speed feats are just artistic representations of his speed being used. Him being shown multiple places all over Imperiex. Spider-Man artistically has done the exact same thing.
At some point a certain degree of common sense must be used. Is Superman faster than Thor yes but the question is Superman greater than anything Thor has dealt with before, no.
Silver Surfer has shown to be a blur in an instance where he was shown to be trying to do something with everything he has. Thor blocked.
Gladiator has been quantified to be able to fight at nanoseconds with Hyperion. And he fought Thor when the entire Future was at stack and Thor handled both Hyperion's and Glads attack before.
There is at some point when travel speed or fighting speed C no longer becomes a huge factor when someone has both engaged and seen said speed C in action and reacted to it.
It's bad logic to try and take too much away from speed feats because people tend to forget only true speedsters like Flash, or Quicksilver actually get quantifiable reaction feats like that normally.
So with that said I generally think it is a stalemate. Obviously Superman has the advantage in the physical department but Thor has Superman on sheer versatility and isn't to shabby in hte physical department either.
