Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Thor's 1-2 bad speed showings (Spider-Man, Mongoose...though the former was technically Masterson Thor, not Classic, so it shouldn't even be counted) are always given the spotlight over some equally impressive speed showings either with flight or combat reflexes. Since the forums assume peak capacity, it's safe to assume that the latter (the good speed showings) would be closer to the norm than the bad ones.

Which good speed showings are these, again?

A few hyperbolic statements about being as fast as lightning - something he's never actually demonstrated?

Or maybe digging a trench ambiguously fast?

I'm honestly curious. Where are these speed and reflex feats that are so impressive as to make you believe he could keep up with someone that sets off sonic booms in melee?

Originally posted by Newjak
How do you know this. Thor has blocked an attack from a blurred speeding Silver Surfer.

I would assume that would mean Surfer was going pretty fast.

How fast?

As fast as Spidey or Captain America? Both have appeared as blurs before.

Originally posted by llagrok
I just think that the Surfer would use his speed when fighting for his life.

Combat speed isn't something the Surfer can really boast too much about. 🙂.

lol

Soljer is going fanboy...

Originally posted by Soljer
Which good speed showings are these, again?

A few hyperbolic statements about being as fast as lightning - something he's never actually demonstrated?

Or maybe digging a trench ambiguously fast?

I'm honestly curious. Where are these speed and reflex feats that are so impressive as to make you believe he could keep up with someone that sets off sonic booms in melee?

Originally posted by llagrok
lol

Soljer is going fanboy...

I'm the one going fanboy when you're putting Thor's speed and reaction time on par with Kal-El's?

Right.

Originally posted by Newjak
And where exactly are the scans stating beyond a shadow of a doubt Superman fights at lightspeed 313

Sacrifice. Sun and back. Less than two minutes.

There's only a shadow of a doubt if you failed basic arithmetic back in gradeschool.

Originally posted by Soljer
Combat speed isn't something the Surfer can really boast too much about. 🙂.

Originally posted by Soljer
How fast?

As fast as Spidey or Captain America? Both have appeared as blurs before.

Oh wait I forgot most of his great combat speed feats are just him moving like a blur 🙄

Wonderwoman fight comes to mind.

Originally posted by Soljer
Sacrifice. Sun and back. Less than two minutes.

There's only a shadow of a doubt if you failed basic arithmetic back in gradeschool.

Thor could have done the same thing in getting to the sun and back. 313

Originally posted by Newjak
Once again wher eis the scan of Superman fighting at lightspeed?

Oh wait I forgot most of his great combat speed feats are just him moving like a blur 🙄

I already told you. Pay more attention next time.

Originally posted by Newjak
HTe fight only took them to the sun said nothing about them fighting at light speed only that they had to go lightspeed to get there.

Thor could have done the same thing in getting to the sun and back. 313

Sure it did.

Guess what speed is? A measure of distance with respect to time.

What did the writer give us? A distance.
What did the writer give us? A time.

Therefore, what did the writer give us?

A speed.

And, anyways, you're strawmanning.

You're attacking the argument of Superman having c-combat speed when it's really irrelevant. Thor's never displayed the capability of keeping up with supersonic combat speed.

Originally posted by Soljer
I already told you. Pay more attention next time.

Sure it did.

Guess what speed is? A measure of distance with respect to time.

What did the writer give us? A distance.
What did the writer give us? A time.

Therefore, what did the writer give us?

A speed.

It doesn't say anything about superman you know swinging and dodging and reacting at lightspeed just that he traveling at that speed.

So I guess by the way you are saying thigns Superman isn't any faster than Cap or Spidey cause he has never been stated as fighting at light speed.

And as to Thor keeping up with Supersonic speed.

You know he has stopped Hermes before when he was attacking him. The same Hermes that can be anywhere in the world in a few panels.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yup traveling speed. They fought to the sun. Once again Thor could fight to the sun and back in less then two minutes.

It doesn't say anything about superman you know swinging and dodging and reacting at lightspeed just that he traveling at that speed.

So I guess by the way you are saying thigns Superman isn't any faster than Cap or Spidey cause he has never been stated as fighting at light speed.

More strawmanning.

Originally posted by Soljer
More strawmanning.

After all your the one you said if Silver Surfer was a blur that you could say that he was only moving at Spiderman speed.

Therefore using the same logic I dictate Superman has never been stated to fight at lightspeed therefore he can not prove me wrong.

Or let me put this in plainer terms for you. Spiderman cna duplicate every feat minus traveling speed that Superman has done.

Originally posted by llagrok
Thor has proven many times that he's possesses superhuman speed though

Newjak Id you dont knwo that Superman can fight at lightspeed then you really should be in the arguement and throwing words around.

Second Superman isn't going to get destroy just because magic is involved. Superman can take damage. Its called pain people.

Third Mjolnir is strong, but Superman took a clean hit from it, and it didn't knock im out. You can say that it moves at light speed, but there is undeniable proof that Superman caught the Hammer and stoped it dead on its track.

Finally Just because Superman doesnt use an ability he doesnt need doesnt change the fact that he can use it. If we go the rules of the website which state we have to use the best capabilities and techiniques of the character which means Superman will use the vibration if needed.

Again Superman just need to fly fast enough to avoid the Odin Force so he can later just punch him one hit

Originally posted by Newjak
Nope your just refusing to use common snense.

After all your the one you said if Silver Surfer was a blur that you could say that he was only moving at Spiderman speed.

Therefore using the same logic I dictate Superman has never been stated to fight at lightspeed therefore he can not prove me wrong.

Or let me put this in plainer terms for you. Spiderman cna duplicate every feat minus traveling speed that Superman has done.

1. I never said that the Surfer was moving at Spiderman level speed. I asked YOU how fast he was going, and gave some examples of other characters moving as blurs.

The implication, as would have been inferred by anyone with more then three brain cells, was that the feat was entirely ambiguous.

How fast was the Surfer moving? Fast. How fast? Fast.

Get it?

2. Superman has caught Firestorm's blasts, blocked his and Preus' heat vision, and fought Wonder Woman to the sun in back in less than two minutes. He can fight at C.

3. It doesn't MATTER if Superman can fight at C or not, because Thor wouldn't even be able to handle combat speed in the mach-tiers.

4. Really? You really think you could match any combat speed feat performed by Superman with Spidey?

Originally posted by Soljer
Which good speed showings are these, again?

A few hyperbolic statements about being as fast as lightning - something he's never actually demonstrated?

Or maybe digging a trench ambiguously fast?

I'm honestly curious. Where are these speed and reflex feats that are so impressive as to make you believe he could keep up with someone that sets off sonic booms in melee?

Here's one of the ones you alluded to:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thorlightningspeed.jpg
Well, the way you phrased it makes it seem like it was all talk. But he was engaging Surfer and Warlock simultaneously. I'm not so concerned if he's literally as fast as lightning, but it clearly shows he can react at speeds fast enough to combat those foes.

People also underestimate his lightning, which is clearly lightspeed, and which has also been shown to be > normal lightning:
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view&current=SilverS11.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view&current=SilverS12.jpg

Or the instance Newjak mentioned:
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surfer1wp5.jpg
Blurred Surfer = fairly fast.

And the bit I mentioned about his flight speed:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/lightspeed0050lh.jpg

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So meh. Is Kal faster? Sure. I'm not arguing that point. But will it make a big difference in this fight? Not really.

Was it state that his Lighting is really faster then lightspeed?