Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by Larceny
I see no point in continually downplaying Thor's speed as if it hasn't consistently been shown efficient enough to battle top tier speed. It's the same as continually bringing up Superman's weakness to magic. It's old, get over the fact that they can and have overcome these obstacles.

thor's speed has never been shown to be impressive...its that speedy foes fight at his slow speed when they fight, due to the nature of comics.

ie, because Gorilla Grodd fights Flash all the time, does anyone think Gorilla Grodd has light speed reactions as well? No, its that flash gets dumbed down when fighting Grodd or there wouldnt be a fight at all.

Originally posted by Avlon
Going faster than lightning speed really is not a problem for the man of steel.

Here is Supes easily speedblitzing Lobo, who himself has superspeed.

Originally posted by Newjak

Most of Superman's combat speed feats are just artistic representations of his speed being used. Him being shown multiple places all over Imperiex. Spider-Man artistically has done the exact same thing.

I disagree. How about when Superman reads shelves of books in seconds....that is not artisitic representation, that is a show of how fast his body and mind works.

Originally posted by Newjak
I understand what you are saying but that line of thought works both ways.

Clearly, you do not.

Originally posted by Newjak
How fast was Firestorm's blasts going,

Originally posted by Newjak
How fast was Preus' HV going.

Originally posted by Newjak

The fact is that there will always be a certain degree of ambiguity in speed feats unless the narrator specifically states the quantitative of the feat.

Certainly not as fast as he's capable. Certainly not as fast as Clark's capable.

Originally posted by Newjak

Most of Superman's combat speed feats are just artistic representations of his speed being used. Him being shown multiple places all over Imperiex. Spider-Man artistically has done the exact same thing.

You didn't say most.

You said that Spiderman could replicate ANY (non travel) feat Superman has performed. Are you still willing to back that up?

Originally posted by Newjak

At some point a certain degree of common sense must be used. Is Superman faster than Thor yes but the question is Superman greater than anything Thor has dealt with before, no.

Incorrect. Superman's not faster than the people Thor's dealt with before are capable of being. That doesn't mean they used their speed in their fights against Thor. Certainly not to their fullest capabilities.

Fact remains; Thor's never dealt with hypersonic combat speed. I don't mean traveling in a circle. I don't mean a bullrush.

I mean punching, kicking, blocking, dodging at speeds much greater than that of sound.

Something Superman has, in fact, demonstrated.

Originally posted by Newjak

Gladiator has been quantified to be able to fight at nanoseconds with Hyperion. And he fought Thor when the entire Future was at stack and Thor handled both Hyperion's and Glads attack before.

Originally posted by Newjak

There is at some point when travel speed or fighting speed C no longer becomes a huge factor when someone has both engaged and seen said speed C in action and reacted to it.

Still waiting for evidence. When has Thor reacted and dealt with a Dragonball Z-ish fight at hypersonic speeds?

Originally posted by Larceny
I don't believe he ever claimed it was.

Never said he did. 🙂

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the first one is pre crisis

no2

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the first one is pre crisis

Actually, those are both post crisis. Don't let the old school art fool you.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the first one is pre crisis

False.

It's from Volume 2, I believe.

Which only even BEGAN publication post crisis.

Originally posted by Soljer
Still waiting for evidence. When has Thor reacted and dealt with a Dragonball Z-ish fight at hypersonic speeds?

The only time I've seen Thor face a legitimate "blitz" (i.e. what you just described) was against Gladiator in an Avengers comic, I believe. Thor was getting shit stomped. Pure and simple. He only "won" the fight because Gladiator willingly stopped his assault, and Thor summoned Living Lightning to blast Gladiator. In other words, outside interference.

yeah i guess you all are right, i have the comic before or after that one, it had flying monkeys in it and a transforming crane thing.....thats the first and last superman comic i have ever paid for with my own money.

One versus several other showings that deny this clearly means the one is not consistent with Thor's character.

Ten versus several other showings that not hyperbole or anything other than combat speed shows consistency and lends credence to Thor having superspeed. Additionally, it allows for the explanation that is applied to Superman, that he does have superspeed, he just does not use it in every single appearance for whatever reason.

Burden of proof is on those making the claim to offer evidence confirming Thor indeed has superfast combat speed comparable to Superman. One showing is not evidence enough: there must be multiple, consistent demonstrations of this claim. Scans are good start. More than a few scans gives you a more solid argument. Scans that don't involve unsupported statements, hyperbole, or instances that are clearly not combat speed oriented are even better. Anything else is unacceptable in my judgement.

Originally posted by batdude123
The only time I've seen Thor face a legitimate "blitz" (i.e. what you just described) was against Gladiator in an Avengers comic, I believe. Thor was getting shit stomped. Pure and simple. He only "won" the fight because Gladiator willingly stopped his assault, and Thor summoned Living Lightning to blast Gladiator. In other words, outside interference.

so basically the only time Thor actually faced a real speedblitz attack, he was completely overwhelmed and helpless.

I wonder what the Thor backers have to say against that point.

Any chance of getting these merged?

Any chance of getting these merged?

Originally posted by Soljer
Any chance of getting these merged?

I was just thinking the same thing.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Although I will agree that its can be a split decision, I do not agree that the fight between superman and Thor was close. Superman took a direct hit from Thor's hammer and got up easily. Thor couldn't get up after one punch

Superman could barely stand and had slurred speech after the fight, BTW, why do you keep lying and saying it only took one punch?

Omg,thor and superman are not that damn far apart,I love me some superman but HE DID NOT ONE SHOT THOR IT WAS A VERY LONG AND CONTINUOUS BATTLE THOR WALKED THRU HEAT VISION LIKE IT WAS NOTHING FOR CHRIST SAKES,are we all forgetting the thor being the toughest opponent superman has ever fought shit I mean jesus this is getting out of hand.

can somebody just post scans of the bloody fight right here so this can finally go to bed.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
can somebody just post scans of the bloody fight right here so this can finally go to bed.

this won't go to bed even if the scans are posted

Superman slaughters Thor.