Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by Master-Borg
you used that scan as an example of a speed feat for thor right?

I'm just saying its pretty bad when you have to point out bystanders to make Thor seem fast.

It was obvious without pointing out the bystanders that Thor was moving fast, I pointed out the noteworthy speedster Quicksilver as an indication of just HOW fast Thor was moving because he cut a large trench around the group before Quicksilver(who was already in motion) could take a strait line path out of the area.

It's like I left and went to work and this place went to hell.

However, that's beside the point. I'm astounded at what I've seen in this thread. Why Superman supporters continually ignore the fact that Thor has in fact shown the ability to react to top tier speed is beyond me. I've posted scans, but they've been ignored. I've constructed arguments, but they to fell on deaf ears. He's dodged lasers, dealt with Surfer and Gladiators speed, humiliated Hermes, deflected and or absorbed high speed blast, reacted to the FTL speeds of his hammer, created sonic booms through combat speed, etc. Yet for some odd reason, the one argument their latched to is the one constructed around an assumption? An assumption that when asked to be supported by evidence was then supported by feats that had nothing to do with what was asked to be shown.

This is ludicrous.

Larceny... I don't know what happened either. It must be guy222... he put stupid juice into KMC's water! I'm telling you, he's to blame! How people put Superman > Odinforce is beyond me. Can we all stop wasting our time and get back to the good ole classic Thor vs Superman debates we used to have?

Because technically that's what you and Darthgoober are doing. Arguing that classic Thor has shown the ability to deal with speed and speeding objects and light speed opponents and projectiles with his reflexes and physical capabilities. But your "opponents" are actually trying to make this a case against Odinforce Thor. Which is no. Just no.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Larceny... I don't know what happened either. It must be guy222... he put stupid juice into KMC's water! I'm telling you, he's to blame! How people put Superman > Odinforce is beyond me. Can we all stop wasting our time and get back to the good ole classic Thor vs Superman debates we used to have?

Because technically that's what you and Darthgoober are doing. Arguing that classic Thor has shown the ability to deal with speed and speeding objects and light speed opponents and projectiles with his reflexes and physical capabilities. But your "opponents" are actually trying to make this a case against Odinforce Thor. Which is no. Just no.

do you even read Superman comics? I doubt you know enough about him to properly judge this battle.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
do you even read Superman comics? I doubt you know enough about him to properly judge this battle.

Could I not ask you the same about Thor comics? You've maid it painfully obvious that you lack the proper knowledge to actually form an adequate and cohesive argument deserving of acknowledgment. In all actuality, all you've done is gleefully display your ignorance on the subject. 😬

Originally posted by Master-Borg
do you even read Superman comics? I doubt you know enough about him to properly judge this battle.

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Originally posted by Master-Borg
do you even read Superman comics? I doubt you know enough about him to properly judge this battle.

Originally posted by Larceny
Could I not ask you the same about Thor comics? You've maid it painfully obvious that you lack the proper knowledge to actually form an adequate and cohesive argument deserving of acknowledgment. In all actuality, all you've done is gleefully display your ignorance on the subject. 😬

which is why I don't buy the few scans (most of which are hardly real speed feats) you thor supporters have posted

as a reader of THor, you should know better than anyone that Thor's never known for his speed. He is very versatile and extremely powerful...but fast is not something any Thor fan would describe him as.

This is why I feel its disingenuous for Thor fans to argue that he can handle Superman's speed.

Anyways, thats my 2 cents on the issue. I know you feel differently.

I've probably read more Superman comics than you'd care to think. And indeed, I've probably read more DC comics then you have. I most certainly own more. As a reader buying spine wrinkled copies from newstands, I've read Superman, Green Lantern and Justice League regularly, starting around the time of Death of Superman. Around Grant Morrison's JLA run, my interest waned a bit. I started collecting indie titles and Marvel. Then right after Imperiex hit DC, I jumped back on board with my new comics shop pulling both Marvel and DC titles for me. I've read probably every single Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, Wonderwoman, JLA/JSA related title there's been since Imperiex. Especially after Identity Crisis.

Batman I never read regularly or had my comics shop pull titles for. Only newstand reading. After Hush, and ever since Superman/Batman started, I've been getting into him more. Morrison's current Batman is fantastic. And ever since then I've been picking up more back issues on disc. I can't even bring my comics collection around with me anymore, it's too large.

But it doesn't take me nearly two decade's worth of collecting or several decade's worth of reading to tell you that Odinforce Thor vs. Superman is a ridiculous curbstomp, CIS/PIS off.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

But it doesn't take me over a decade's worth of reading to tell you that Odinforce Thor vs. Superman is a ridiculous curbstomp, CIS/PIS off.

yet many superman experts disagree with you

Originally posted by Master-Borg
not really...I'm painfully aware of Thor's speed

which is why I don't buy the few scans (most of which are hardly real speed feats) you thor supporters have posted

as a reader of THor, you should know better than anyone that Thor's never known for his speed. He is very versatile and extremely powerful...but fast is not something any Thor fan would describe him as.

This is why I feel its disingenuous for Thor fans to argue that he can handle Superman's speed.

Anyways, thats my 2 cents on the issue. I know you feel differently.

Poor excuses. Simply admit that you were unaware of many of the instances provided. Continually downplaying the evidence only succeeds in making you look foolish.

Whether or not he's known for his speed is irrelevant. All that matters is that he's displayed the ability to cop with speed greater than his own. Speed that in some cases is considered near the pinnacle of it's class.

Why, the case is supported by actual on panel evidence?

Originally posted by Master-Borg
do you even read Superman comics? I doubt you know enough about him to properly judge this battle.

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Originally posted by Master-Borg
i don't read any comics, i just debate them.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
not really...I'm painfully aware of Thor's speed

which is why I don't buy the few scans (most of which are hardly real speed feats) you thor supporters have posted

as a reader of THor, you should know better than anyone that Thor's never known for his speed. He is very versatile and extremely powerful...but fast is not something any Thor fan would describe him as.

This is why I feel its disingenuous for Thor fans to argue that he can handle Superman's speed.

Anyways, thats my 2 cents on the issue. I know you feel differently.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
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Originally posted by darthgoober
So you're saying that you don't buy the Thor scans because they're few and far between right? Ok fine, how many feats other than the non combat City Building feat does Supes have that indicate a capacity for FTL blitzing?

1. I don't think they're good examples of speed feats (ie. hammer swing, block of Phoenix)

2. thor is not known as a fast character, even his fans would normally admit that. Superman is well known for his incredible speed however. So I feel like Thor fans are really forcing the issue by pulling out some less than convincing scans of thor's supposed speed capability.

I mean Thor has his advantages, Mjolnir, godblast, magic, etc....but I truly believe that in speed, he is greatly outclassed.

Originally posted by Zeitgeist
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Originally posted by Master-Borg
2. thor is not known as a fast character, even his fans would normally admit that. Superman is well known for his incredible speed however. So I feel like Thor fans are really forcing the issue by pulling out some less than convincing scans of thor's supposed speed capability.

Superman would speedblitz those asses.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
no, my issue is not only that they're few and far in between

1. I don't think they're good examples of speed feats (ie. hammer swing, block of Phoenix)

2. thor is not known as a fast character, even his fans would normally admit that. Superman is well known for his incredible speed however. So I feel like Thor fans are really forcing the issue by pulling out some less than convincing scans of thor's supposed speed capability.

I mean Thor has his advantages, Mjolnir, godblast, magic, etc....but I truly believe that in speed, he is greatly outclassed.

You say that Supes is well known for his speed and that's absolutely right, it's well known that he can move REALLY fast. However, Supes is NOT known for his FTL blitzing capacity, as your inability to find a single instance of it amply demonstrates. You're relying on a single, questionable, indirect indication of FTL blitzing capabilities for Supes and then criticizing others for not coming up with more instances of lightspeed reflexes for Thor, which is more than a little hypocritical...

thor is slower, but superman has to deal with his fighting abilities, the durability of thor, plus his overwhelming powers.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Thanos isn't known for his speed either, it didn't stop him from interrupting the Fallen One or knocking Surfer out of the air. There's a difference between speed and reflexes, and while Thor's lacking in the first compared to Supes he's close enough in the second that it won't matter. And blocking a lightspeed blast from Phoenix after it's fired from close range is more than sufficient evidence that Thor could respond to a blitz from Supes since Supes is going to be starting this fight a far greater distance than Thor had to deal with against Phoenix and there's yet to be a single scan of Supes blitzing an opponent at FTL speeds.

You say that Supes is well known for his speed, and that's absolutely right, it's well known that he can move REALLY fast. However, Supes is NOT known for his FTL blitzing capacity, as your inability to find an example amply demonstrates. You're relying on a single, questionable, indirect indication of FTL blitzing capabilities for Supes and then criticizing others for not coming up with more instances of lightspeed reflexes for Thor, which is more than a little hypocritical...

"After Odin's death, Thor inherited his father's power, the Odinforce. Thor was then capable of feats such as reconstructing the Earth's Moon, willing the Asgardian monster Mangog into nothingness, successfully challenging and defeating an alliance of Surtur and Ymir and by focusing his entire power into a hammer throw even decapitated a Desak-occupied Destroyer. Thor later briefly acquired mastery of the Runes, and a level of enlightenment that allowed him to free Asgard from the eternal cycle of Ragnarok, BECOMING EVEN MORE POWERFUL THAN HIS FATHER."

thor stomps superman, resurrects hims, amps him, then re-stomps him for dramatic effect.