Thor vs Superman

Btw, why are people arguing Odinforce Thor when the thread put Thor against Superman, several years prior to this coming about? It's like the thread changes from Superman vs Thor, to Superman versus an interpetation of a character we haven't even really witnessed the power of yet. It's all speculation, and I'm doubting he even keeps the power long.. I'm quite sure the creator didn't intend it to be Odinforce Thor when he created the thread. If you want to actually debate that, make a new thread for it. Consider it a different version of the character. Not all Thor threads from years ago are suddenly Odinforce-Thor threads. If they are, that'd be pretty stupid. It's a completely different interpretation.

Originally posted by Juntai
Btw, why are people arguing Odinforce Thor when the thread put Thor against Superman, several years prior to this coming about? It's like the thread changes from Superman vs Thor, to Superman versus an interpetation of a character we haven't even really witnessed the power of yet. It's all speculation, and I'm doubting he even keeps the power long.. I'm quite sure the creator didn't intend it to be Odinforce Thor when he created the thread. If you want to actually debate that, make a new thread for it. Consider it a different version of the character. Not all Thor threads from years ago are suddenly Odinforce-Thor threads. If they are, that'd be pretty stupid. It's a completely different interpretation.

Current Thor does have the Odinforce and that's what people are debating, current versions of both characters.

Originally posted by Badabing
Current Thor has the Odinforce and has shown a few new abilities. He also defended against Ironman's "speed blitz". If he has been resurrected at RKT levels then he may indeed have what it takes to put Superman down. Assumptions aside, Stark is no Superman and current Thor really hasn't shown enough in actual feats.

Originally posted by Badabing
I don't think we can use Odin feats to justify anything current Thor may or may not be able to accomplish.

Those are my thoughts on current Thor....

Originally posted by Badabing
Current Thor does have the Odinforce and that's what people are debating, current versions of both characters.

Those are my thoughts on current Thor....

Mar 14th, 2005 03:18 PM

I doubt he meant Odinforce Thor. The first three quarters of the thread don't have Odinforce in mind at all. Why should it change now? It's nearly a completely different character, certainly a different intepretation than the thread creator had in mind. Or anyone previously debating in the thread had in mind. And should have it's own thread, if anything.

Originally posted by Juntai
(Current) THOR vs Superman

Mar 14th, 2005 03:18 PM

I doubt he meant Odinforce Thor. The first three quarters of the thread don't have Odinforce in mind at all. Why should it change halfway through? It's nearly a completely different character, certainly a different intepretation than the thread creator had in mind. Or anyone previously debating in the thread had in mind.

Originally posted by Juntai
Btw, why are people arguing Odinforce Thor when the thread put Thor against Superman, several years prior to this coming about? It's like the thread changes from Superman vs Thor, to Superman versus an interpetation of a character we haven't even really witnessed the power of yet. It's all speculation, and I'm doubting he even keeps the power long.. I'm quite sure the creator didn't intend it to be Odinforce Thor when he created the thread. If you want to actually debate that, make a new thread for it. Consider it a different version of the character. Not all Thor threads from years ago are suddenly Odinforce-Thor threads. If they are, that'd be pretty stupid. It's a completely different interpretation.

Avlon started this nonsense about Superman being capable of defeating current Thor. In all actuality it hasn't effected the debate, current or classic, Thor possess the necessary reflexes to eliminate this theory that it would be an overwhelming advantage.

Originally posted by Juntai
(Current) THOR vs Superman

Mar 14th, 2005 03:18 PM

I doubt he meant Odinforce Thor. The first three quarters of the thread don't have Odinforce in mind at all. Why should it change now? It's nearly a completely different character, certainly a different intepretation than the thread creator had in mind. Or anyone previously debating in the thread had in mind. And should have it's own thread, if anything.

Again, Avlon started this. BTW, this was merged with a thread that made it current versions of each character.

Originally posted by Larceny
Avlon started this nonsense about Superman being capable of defeating current Thor. In all actuality it hasn't effected the debate, current or classic, Thor possess the necessary reflexes to eliminate this theory that it would be an overwhelming advantage.

I started nothing.

Thor supporters brought it up out of desperation and I in turn responded.

Then it became an Thor/Odin amalgam vs Superman thread.

I simply debated what was brought up.

Please get your facts straight, both in what your accusations are and in the thread.

That, and stop making up imaginary boosts and amps with an unproven version of Thor. 🙂

Originally posted by Juntai
(Current) THOR vs Superman

Mar 14th, 2005 03:18 PM

I doubt he meant Odinforce Thor. The first three quarters of the thread don't have Odinforce in mind at all. Why should it change halfway through? It's nearly a completely different character, certainly a different intepretation than the thread creator had in mind. Or anyone previously debating in the thread had in mind.

I may amend the rules concerning current versions of characters unless otherwise specified.

Originally posted by Badabing
Well, Thor resurrected wasn't around in 2005. His current depiction shows him with the Odinforce. I doubt any thread from 2005 was meant to show the current version of a character in 2008. Spidey has changed power levels in the past 3 years, Billy Batson is now the wizard Shazam and Freddy is Captain Marvel, Hulk wasn't amped like he was in WWH, Classic Juggernaut is back, Guy Gardner and Hal Jordan are GLs again. If we didn't automatically update characters to their current representations then the forum would be flooded with duplicate threads.

I may amend the rules concerning current versions of characters unless otherwise specified.

It's the fact that this is a completely powered up different intepretation of the character[which he's most likely to only have for a short time], being discussed in a three year old thread.

It would be like the example you had there..should I ressurect the old Captain Marvel threads, and talk about how he'd smash whoever he's fighting, since he has the power of the wizard now? Even though it was clearly intended to be the Superman level guy?

Maybe there's a Jimmy Olsen thread floating around somewhere....

Originally posted by Larceny
Avlon started this nonsense about Superman being capable of defeating current Thor. In all actuality it hasn't effected the debate, current or classic, Thor possess the necessary reflexes to eliminate this theory that it would be an overwhelming advantage.

Originally posted by Juntai
Characters change and vary in power, or show something new all the time, and that's OK to bring an up an older thread and use it or talk about it, imo, it's whatever.

It's the fact that this is a completely powered up different intepretation of the character[which he's most likely to only have for a short time], being discussed in a three year old thread.

It would be like the example you had there..should I ressurect the old Captain Marvel threads, and talk about how he'd smash whoever he's fighting, since he has the power of the wizard now? Even though it was clearly intended to be the Superman level guy?

Maybe there's a Jimmy Olsen thread floating around somewhere....

Agreed. That and the ridiculous power assumption.

This is a resurrected Thor, how do we know if his classic abilites all apply? On top of that, just because he has the Odin power in him, it doesn't mean he automatically gets all of Odins feats.

That would be like someone debating that a the last 2 Ion's can share feats, or that Green Lanterns feats are all interchangeable since they all get the same training...

Originally posted by Juntai
Is he capable? Probably. Likely? probably not, even though we haven't seen much of him, the idea of Thor and the Odinforce is daunting. But Superman seems to get counted out in fights like this, when we've in fact, seen him beat actual gods and galaxy wide or universal threats, who possess actual feats, unlike the power speculation spinning around in this thread.

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Originally posted by Juntai
Characters change and vary in power, or show something new all the time, and that's OK to bring an up an older thread and use it or talk about it, imo, it's whatever.

It's the fact that this is a completely powered up different intepretation of the character[which he's most likely to only have for a short time], being discussed in a three year old thread.

It would be like the example you had there..should I ressurect the old Captain Marvel threads, and talk about how he'd smash whoever he's fighting, since he has the power of the wizard now? Even though it was clearly intended to be the Superman level guy?

Maybe there's a Jimmy Olsen thread floating around somewhere....

Current Captain Marvel is Freddy so Billy wouldn't be part of the debate if it was Captain Marvel vs ?????.

If there's a Jimmy Olsen thread then bump it. 😂

Originally posted by Badabing
Something minor would be Logan's healing being downgraded or Spidey being at his more Classic levels. We have to debate current characters or else we'd get people using Pre Crisis Supes in every Superman thread which didn't specify the exact version of Superman (KC, DOS, Sundipped, Etc). The last version of Hulk was amped up and that's what was used in the threads which didn't specify a version of Hulk. Also, you're assuming that Marvel doesn't intend to keep Thor at his current levels. That may be true but it's still current Thor and the proper Thor to debate. People can't be asked to debate a character's power set from 2005 in 2008.

Current Captain Marvel is Freddy so Billy wouldn't be part of the debate if it was Captain Marvel vs ?????.

If there's a Jimmy Olsen thread then bump it. 😂

Originally posted by Juntai
Btw, why are people arguing Odinforce Thor when the thread put Thor against Superman, several years prior to this coming about? It's like the thread changes from Superman vs Thor, to Superman versus an interpetation of a character we haven't even really witnessed the power of yet. It's all speculation, and I'm doubting he even keeps the power long.. I'm quite sure the creator didn't intend it to be Odinforce Thor when he created the thread. If you want to actually debate that, make a new thread for it. Consider it a different version of the character. Not all Thor threads from years ago are suddenly Odinforce-Thor threads. If they are, that'd be pretty stupid. It's a completely different interpretation.

people are arguing odinpower thor coz current thor has it.

i would assume that this thread, during that time was aimed at current superman vs current thor during that time period, hence thor wouldnt have the odin power. and they would have been a good match. but the point is, thor died a number of years back and has just recently been revived. during the period while he was dead or asleep, whatever, superman has gotten stornger, faster, blah blah blah. now i ask you, would it be fair to pit classic thor with superman with all his boosts and amp? superman would obviously have the uperhand against classic thor right? sure thats sweet for all the superman fanboys but duh! obviously classic thor would lose to current day superman and only an idiot wouldnt see that or a very blinded thor fanboy.

but now, thor is back and he has the odin power. and if you want to guage how powerful he is, think king thor and we'd probably have a rough estimate of his level. and then, all the superman fanboys cry foul coz its not fair for thor to have the odinpower but its all good for superman to have all hes recent upgrades against classic thor.

that is what i call biased thinking, cherrypicking and unfair treatment. you want ot have current superman fight thor? then have him fight current thor as that would be fair for both characters as they would both have their most recent upgrade.

if you want to have superman fight classic thor, then use superman during that day and age.

i really hope they decide to just bring odin back and return the odinpower to him and just give thor a nice upgrade. seriously, who'd want to read a book with a super uber character who would only lose due to pis and cis?

Originally posted by Badabing
Something minor would be Logan's healing being downgraded or Spidey being at his more Classic levels. We have to debate current characters or else we'd get people using Pre Crisis Supes in every Superman thread which didn't specify the exact version of Superman (KC, DOS, Sundipped, Etc). The last version of Hulk was amped up and that's what was used in the threads which didn't specify a version of Hulk. Also, you're assuming that Marvel doesn't intend to keep Thor at his current levels. That may be true but it's still current Thor and the proper Thor to debate. People can't be asked to debate a character's power set from 2005 in 2008 unless it's specified.

Current Captain Marvel is Freddy so Billy wouldn't be part of the debate if it was Captain Marvel vs ?????.

If there's a Jimmy Olsen thread then bump it. 😂

Current Jimmy Olsen vs Current Thor!!

You heard it here first folks!!

Odinforce vs the sum of the new gods powers!

The way I see it, you're both right to a degree. When the difference in the character's powerlevel is vast, like in this case current Thor (w/Odin Force, apparently) and classic Thor, it's better to use the one the original poster intended, and not the current one. The same goes if a poster bumps Jimmy Olsen vs Foggy Nelson or such. But when there's threads such as Batman vs Wolverine/Iron Fist and the like, if a person bumps the thread, it's usually self-explinatory that current versions of the characters that should be used.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
The way I see it, you're both right to a degree. When the difference in the character's powerlevel is vast, like in this case current Thor (w/Odin Force, apparently) and classic Thor, it's better to use the one the original poster intended, and not the current one. The same goes if a poster bumps Jimmy Olsen vs Foggy Nelson or such. But when there's threads such as Batman vs Wolverine/Iron Fist and the like, if a person bumps the thread, it's usually self-explinatory that current versions of the characters that should be used.

Characters change and vary in power, or show something new all the time, and that's OK to bring an up an older thread and use it or talk about it, imo, it's whatever.

It's the fact that this is a completely powered up different intepretation of the character[which he's most likely to only have for a short time], being discussed in a three year old thread.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, Freddy is SHAZAM, Captain Marvel is still Captain Marvel, he just has the wizards powers now. Cap described it to Freddy in the beginning of the Trials, and at the end, Freddy says "I am SHAZAM".

Nitpicking and semantics aside, this is current versions, as of 04/12/2008, of both characters. Let's get back to the topic. Thanks.

Originally posted by Larceny
Avlon started this nonsense about Superman being capable of defeating current Thor. In all actuality it hasn't effected the debate, current or classic, Thor possess the necessary reflexes to eliminate this theory that it would be an overwhelming advantage.

i would have to disagree, classic thor no longer has what it takes to keep up with current superman. superman has been upgraded a lot and has new showings that would put classic thor to shame.

current thor on the otherhand would also be unfair to use against current superman.