Originally posted by Ricardo Potter
Your ASSUMING. So saying it like its fact is wrong, now saying Superman KOed Thor is fact. 🙂
If that's what you wish to call it.
Thor hits Doomsday. Doomsday doesn't appear for the rest of the comic. There's two possible outcomes. DD was Ko'd, or DD was scared and ran from the battle. Your choice.
Originally posted by Ricardo PotterYes.
If he had the Rune power still wouldn't he be able to beat the Destroyer or not needing sleep after the awaking thing he done recently?
Also, apparently Odin only had knowledge of the Runes. Thor had the full magic of the Runes, and surpassed his father, and the Odin Force itself couldn't tell what Thor would do next.
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistOdin had Knowledge of the Runes, and Thor had full KNOWLEDGE of the Runes.
Yes.Also, apparently Odin only had knowledge of the Runes. Thor had the full magic of the Runes, and surpassed his father, and the Odin Force itself couldn't tell what Thor would do next.
And wasn't it said that at the end everything Thor did was what Odin wanted his son to do cause Odin himself wouldn't let himself do it.
Originally posted by NewjakAnd yet, he could never accomplish this on his own... which indicates amp.
Like I said not amped reinforced what was already there.Or do you forget even after Strange did everything he did Thor was still being beaten up a for a little bit before rising up at the end and dismantling HJ literally. Why cause like all the heroes said he is Thor, not he is Thor plus Rune Magic.
Ya... so? Thor broke his wrists hitting HJ before that. He was a flea to him.
Of course he's still going to have a fight after the Runes. He still tore him apart like nothing after.
But he did have Rune magic...
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistWait I may be remembering this wrong but wasn't the reason HJ was so tough cause of the curse and the reason Thor couldn't effect him?
And yet, he could never accomplish this on his own... which indicates amp.Ya... so? Thor broke his wrists hitting HJ before that. He was a flea to him.
Of course he's still going to have a fight after the Runes. He still tore him apart like nothing after.But he did have Rune magic...
I also thought that was why Strange picked the particular heroes he did cause they were immune to the curse and could hurt the vikings.
I thought that was what Strange had done to them. Used the runes so Thor could effect the Vikings without fear of injury?
I'm pretty sure everything Thor did was what he could have done had it not been for the curse.
Originally posted by NewjakWhich would make him more powerful... He had all the magic of it. He knew all the magic.
Odin had Knowledge of the Runes, and Thor had full KNOWLEDGE of the Runes.And wasn't it said that at the end everything Thor did was what Odin wanted his son to do cause Odin himself wouldn't let himself do it.
And Thor used the Runes. Currently, he doesn't. Which means he's not that powerful anymore... and it would be foolhardy to decide otherwise.
I don't know.
Originally posted by Larceny
If that's what you wish to call it.Thor hits Doomsday. Doomsday doesn't appear for the rest of the comic. There's two possible outcomes. DD was Ko'd, or DD was scared and ran from the battle. Your choice.
We saw him being hit away, who's to say he wasn't distracted by someone else?
Originally posted by NewjakI don't recall.
Wait I may be remembering this wrong but wasn't the reason HJ was so tough cause of the curse and the reason Thor couldn't effect him?I also thought that was why Strange picked the particular heroes he did cause they were immune to the curse and could hurt the vikings.
I thought that was what Strange had done to them. Used the runes so Thor could effect the Vikings without fear of injury?
I'm pretty sure everything Thor did was what he could have done had it not been for the curse.
I thought it was because they were true heroes. Although I might have to re-read it.
I don't get how that makes sense... if they were immune to the curse, then they would have been able to do what they did without the Runes?
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Which would make him more powerful... He had all the magic of it. He knew all the magic.And Thor used the Runes. Currently, he doesn't. Which means he's not that powerful anymore... and it would be foolhardy to decide otherwise.
I don't know.
I'll be the first to say that Thor was more powerful then his Father.
That doesn't necessarily mean that he was operating on more juice then his Father. He had more knowledge on how to use that Juice.
I agree it was a story of Thor surpassing his Father but I believe it was more on a willingness to do what was needed then that he was more powerful then his Father.
Thor used his knowledge of the Runes. Like using spells and such. He still has the knowledge and the Odinpower to use it. If of course he is operating with the full Odinpower.
Originally posted by NewjakHe was said to surpass him... even in the tests he was doing. He had to surpass everything Odin did, to become more than Odin.
I'll be the first to say that Thor was more powerful then his Father.That doesn't necessarily mean that he was operating on more juice then his Father. He had more knowledge on how to use that Juice.
I agree it was a story of Thor surpassing his Father but I believe it was more on a willingness to do what was needed then that he was more powerful then his Father.
Thor used his knowledge of the Runes. Like using spells and such. He still has the knowledge and the Odinpower to use it. If of course he is operating with the full Odinpower.
And knowledge=power... especially when you're talking about magic.
As soon as he returned from his talk with the Shadow Cats, he said that the Odin Force returned to him.
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistI'm pretty sure it had to do they were descendants of the bloodline the curse followed or something like that.
I don't recall.I thought it was because they were true heroes. Although I might have to re-read it.
I don't get how that makes sense... if they were immune to the curse, then they would have been able to do what they did without the Runes?
I thought that was why Strange went throughout time and picked those specific people.
It kinda makes sense if you think about it. They were just normal humans after all. Some amping being exposed to any kind of magic would probably be needed for Strange. But think about it how exactly is Strange going to Amp Thor any significant level.
Once again I thought that all the Runes did for Thor was reinforce what was already there by allowing Thor to bypass the curse. Cause once again think about if all it took was Rune Magic why didn't Strange just pick one Person from the bloodline and use the Rune Magic to amp them up to where Thor was at.
Once again like the people said in the comic it's cause he is Thor. 😛
Originally posted by NewjakI'll read it later today.
I'm pretty sure it had to do they were descendants of the bloodline the curse followed or something like that.I thought that was why Strange went throughout time and picked those specific people.
It kinda makes sense if you think about it. They were just normal humans after all. Some amping being exposed to any kind of magic would probably be needed for Strange. But think about it how exactly is Strange going to Amp Thor any significant level.
Once again I thought that all the Runes did for Thor was reinforce what was already there by allowing Thor to bypass the curse. Cause once again think about if all it took was Rune Magic why didn't Strange just pick one Person from the bloodline and use the Rune Magic to amp them up to where Thor was at.
Once again like the people said in the comic it's cause he is Thor. 😛
And Strange could amp Thor... by exposing him to Rune Magic. By traveling to it.
And if they said this while he was King Thor... would that make sense to regular Thor? And we know he had power of the Runes during that time... so...
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistOnce again I took it as Thor having to be willing to sacrifice more than Odin was willing to do. Like giving up two eyes to see more than he ever did before. Willing to destroy all of what he loved so it could free. That is what I took from Thor having to surpass Odin with the tests.
He was said to surpass him... even in the tests he was doing. He had to surpass everything Odin did, to become more than Odin.And knowledge=power... especially when you're talking about magic.
As soon as he returned from his talk with the Shadow Cats, he said that the Odin Force returned to him.
And knowledge is power but let me put it this way.
Give someone the Odinpower with no knowledge on how to use it, then put them up against Odin. Odin will win every time. They are operating on the same amount of juice but one is obviously stronger than the other because one has more knowledge.
Also when the Odin Powered returned to him wasn't that when he started doing all of his crazy stuff 😛
Originally posted by NewjakHe couldn't become Odin by repeating the eye thing. And he needed to basically kill himself to become more than Odin.
Once again I took it as Thor having to be willing to sacrifice more than Odin was willing to do. Like giving up two eyes to see more than he ever did before. Willing to destroy all of what he loved so it could free. That is what I took from Thor having to surpass Odin with the tests.And knowledge is power but let me put it this way.
Give someone the Odinpower with no knowledge on how to use it, then put them up against Odin. Odin will win every time. They are operating on the same amount of juice but one is obviously stronger than the other because one has more knowledge.
Also when the Odin Powered returned to him wasn't that when he started doing all of his crazy stuff 😛
A n00b with Odin's power wouldn't even know what he's doing... I don't get the comparison.
However, Odin's power isn't like conventional magic. It's more like power cosmic.
The Runes are magic. The more knowledge you gain in them, the more powerful you're going to become.
His power returned to him as soon as he came back from Hel (he remarked about it being there after he came back from the big Bosses). He started doing crazy shit as soon as he opened his eyes, and they glowed with the glow of Runes.
Plus, everything Thor did, Loki made a remark that it was through the Runes basically.
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Also, King Thor doesn't = Rune King Thor...
If that is what the conversation is about.
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistExactly what was he willing to sacrifice to surpass his father.
He couldn't become Odin by repeating the eye thing. And he needed to basically kill himself to become more than Odin.A n00b with Odin's power wouldn't even know what he's doing... I don't get the comparison.
However, Odin's power isn't like conventional magic. It's more like power cosmic.
The Runes are magic. The more knowledge you gain in them, the more powerful you're going to become.His power returned to him as soon as he came back from Hel (he remarked about it being there after he came back from the big Bosses). He started doing crazy shit as soon as he opened his eyes, and they glowed with the glow of Runes.
Plus, everything Thor did, Loki made a remark that it was through the Runes basically.---
Also, King Thor doesn't = Rune King Thor...
If that is what the conversation is about.
The comparison I'm getting at is that if Odin will be able to beat someone with the Odinforce with no knowledge. Then someone with more knowledge then Odin on how to use the power would be considered stronger than Odin.
Yes but all of his feats like smacking around Mangog and the like were after he was out of Hel when he had the Odin power.
As to when he first got the full Knowledge of the Runes. I remember that and him talking about how he could finally see. Basically all he did when he first got the glowing eyes of the runes was get basically a cosmic awareness. Which once again points to his knowledge being increased.
I was never trying to King Thor = RKT
But King Thor with the Knowledge of Runes = RKT.