<<anything that you don't like should be dismissed as non-canon>>
really? what about you not liking x-overs?? who's dismissing things as non-canon? and the reverse is also true - anything you LIKE you're ACCEPTING as canon. thor could not lift the midguard serpent which, since it's on earth, clearly can't weigh as much AS the earth, and yet . . . he can lift and THROW a weight that must clearly be far GREATER than the weight of the earth!! so, he can't lift the serpent which is far less than the earth, yet he can throw an object far heavier than the earth?? you tell me which one seems more likely?
<<Perhaps you didn't realise this, but comic book characters don't exist in the real world. As I said, the limitations of reality are not imposed in a comic book.>>
really? and yet you're the one telling me that i should use the weight of 'real' white dwarf material when figuring out the weight of a magic sword???? then you say it probably wasn't really that heavy?? so now you're telling me i SHOULDN'T use the real weight of white dwarf material? are you kidding me?? you're usually a better debater cube.
real life logic can't apply - at least not consistently. it's why we use common sense, it's why so many things are termed 'bad writing'. it's common sense that the sword doesn't weigh as much as the sun. you're also the only one arguing that thor is as fast/faster than supes.
the strength is debatable. we'll never convince each other. i say supes, you say thor. check back in the ss v superman thread for examples GALORE of superman's speed, each one refuted by posters as ridiculous. you can't have it both ways. thor can throw a sword as heavy as the sun, supes can reach the edge of the solar system in 8 minutes, or however fast he did it (but WAYYYYY faster than light). why is one more valid than the other?
Originally posted by leonidas
<<anything that you don't like should be dismissed as non-canon>>really? what about you not liking x-overs?? who's dismissing things as non-canon? and the reverse is also true - anything you LIKE you're ACCEPTING as canon. thor could not lift the midguard serpent which, since it's on earth, clearly can't weigh as much AS the earth, and yet . . . he can lift and THROW a weight that must clearly be far GREATER than the weight of the earth!! so, he can't lift the serpent which is far less than the earth, yet he can throw an object far heavier than the earth?? you tell me which one seems more likely?
<<Perhaps you didn't realise this, but comic book characters don't exist in the real world. As I said, the limitations of reality are not imposed in a comic book.>>
really? and yet you're the one telling me that i should use the weight of 'real' white dwarf material when figuring out the weight of a magic sword???? then you say it probably wasn't really that heavy?? so now you're telling me i SHOULDN'T use the real weight of white dwarf material? are you kidding me?? you're usually a better debater cube.
real life logic can't apply - at least not consistently. it's why we use common sense, it's why so many things are termed 'bad writing'. it's common sense that the sword doesn't weigh as much as the sun. you're also the only one arguing that thor is as fast/faster than supes.
the strength is debatable. we'll never convince each other. i say supes, you say thor. check back in the ss v superman thread for examples GALORE of superman's speed, each one refuted by posters as ridiculous. you can't have it both ways. thor can throw a sword as heavy as the sun, supes can reach the edge of the solar system in 8 minutes, or however fast he did it (but WAYYYYY faster than light). why is one more valid than the other?
Crossovers aren't in continuity. Thor lifting Twilight was. Feel free to use the weight of a comic book white dwarf, assuming that it is any different than a real one.
Thor lifted part about 3/4 of the Midgard serpent when challenged by Loki. With supreme effort, he lifted the Twilight Sword. Both of these feats prove that he is well within the range of Superman's strength. For one, Superman has never lifted the weight of the Earth.
Does it really matter how many people are debating in favor of Thor's speed? I am saying that Thor's speed is not so inferior that Superman would be able to speedblitz him, as many suggest. Thor has displayed reflexes and speed sufficient to counter such an attack.
Superman can fly to the edge of the solar system. I'll believe that. In eight minutes? Show proof. From what I understand, Superman can fly at 50% the speed of light. Regardless, is there any evidence that he can move or fight that fast?
Originally posted by Dizzle
Cuz if it were really that big and sitting on Earth, it would screw with Earth's gravity, probly ending up with everyone frying in the sun... Cept all them sun loving freaks on Marvel Earth.
How can someone lift 100 tons without sinking into the Earth? How does Superman push a world without going through it?
It's a comic book. That's how. You're thinking too hard.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeSuperman/Batman #13. Superman flies Darkseid from Earth to the Source Wall AND BACK in what appears to be a matter of minutes cause he had no air-supply.
. Regardless, is there any evidence that he can move or fight that fast?
The fight he had with Doomsday in Superman #175 shows his fighting speed. A body moving at lightspeeds in Earths atmosphere can become intangible and that is what he did.
<<Superman can fly to the edge of the solar system. I'll believe that. In eight minutes? Show proof. From what I understand, Superman can fly at 50% the speed of light. Regardless, is there any evidence that he can move or fight that fast?>>
it took place in continuity. honestly, check the ss thread for issue number.
<<why can't it weigh that much?
and thor has lifted the serpent>>
er, because it is the MIDGARD serpent - ie the serpent is ON earth, so the earth weighs it's own weight + the serpent's weight . . .
and in superman's league as far as strength? i AGREE! i think supes is stronger - i never said A LOT stronger.
could thor counter supe's speedblitz? i hate speedblitzes, and yeah, thor probably could hit him if he did try it. but supes could land more shots overall is what i'm saying.
you think thor would beat him, i say it's a draw. probably won't change.
Originally posted by jrodslamThat was the issue I mentioned. The fought by the sun for awhile then Superman flew him to the Source Wall and back with no air-supply.
I dont quite know the issue number, but didnt Superman fly Darkseid to the sun in a matter of seconds.It takes light about 18 minutes to do so right? Give or take a few minutes.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Superman/Batman #13. Superman flies Darkseid from Earth to the Source Wall AND BACK in what appears to be a matter of minutes cause he had no air-supply.The fight he had with Doomsday in Superman #175 shows his fighting speed. A body moving at lightspeeds in Earths atmosphere can become intangible and that is what he did.
Was the time proven to be a matter of minutes? If not, it doesn't matter. Don't forget that Superman used a space-time warp to reach the Source Wall.
The part about a body having to move at lightspeed to become untangible is totally false, by comic book and real world standards. In the real world, nothing with mass can attain lightspeed because of an infinite increase in inertial mass. As for comics, Barry Allen became vibrated through objects regularly, and he was nowhere near light speed.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeFirst off Cosmic he had no air-supply. Do the math.
Was the time proven to be a matter of minutes? If not, it doesn't matter. Don't forget that Superman used a space-time warp to reach the Source Wall.
That is called hyperscpace. You go into that after you reachlightspeed 😱
Just like Surfer uses hyperspsce.
Originally posted by jrodslam'
I dont quite know the issue number, but didnt Superman fly Darkseid to the sun in a matter of seconds?It takes light about 18 minutes to do so right? Give or take a few minutes.
That alone clearly shows Superman moving at faster than lightspeeds. Does it not?
Scan? Does it say "Superman flies Darkseid into the sun in a matter of seconds"? If not, it proves nothing.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The part about a body having to move at lightspeed to become untangible is totally false, by comic book and real world standards. In the real world, nothing with mass can attain lightspeed because of an infinite increase in inertial mass. As for comics, Barry Allen became vibrated through objects regularly, and he was nowhere near light speed.
1. Dont compare "Real World" to "COmic World" They dont match.
2. Barry was able to run at near lightspeeds. He was closer to lightspeeds than you think. You must be reffering to Jay.